MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: subaru26675 on February 18, 2010, 04:52:58 pm
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Im toying with the idea of fitting an intake to my car which is currently on revo stg 1 software and completely standard hardware.
Looked at the Neuspeed as someone is selling one on here and it gets some nice reviews.
So basically i am asking will there be a noticable difference on car performance with the Neuspeed intake fitted on stage 1 software or too little a bhp increase to notice anything AND is the Neuspeed a good choice ?
Kevin
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Befoe you buy, how much intake noise are you prepared to live with as all the after market intakes are noisy.
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Not too bothered about intake suction noise, just looking for a reasonable power gain on top of what i have. The reason for the intake uprgade for me is about power and the ease of the job to fit it, the noise that comes with it is something i can live with :smiley:
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Having researched them for the last month or so, id say the ITG seems to be the best out there
( not the best looking though)
The forge does well too and looks :drool:, Also EVOMs gets good write ups. Personally i would only go for an item with the correct size MAF housing, and ive decided on the ITG due to the power gains, MAF housing, filtration properties also due to the fact a few tuners rave about them and these guys dont have anything to gain by upping another product.
I phoned revo not that long ago to discuse mapping and when i asked which intake they recommended it was ITG, they said the couldnt believe the gains to be had, he said that an ED30 made 44bhp with the intake and was stunned, he said that he wouldnt of believed it if he didnt witness it with his own eyes. :scared:
Cant argue with that :drool:
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I suggest either the ITG which has exceptional power increases or the Forge Twintake which is also a high performer and is very easy to take on and off.
Check out SteveP's ITG Review and my GTI Twintake review, and also KRL's S3 Twintake Review.
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i ordered an ITG for the white one this aft! ;)
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So my car on Revo stg1 with an ITG intake is going to be producing 330 bhp or there abouts or do i need to get stg 2 software to accomodate the intake ?
Sounds like big power gains for the £ :party:
Kev
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I'm not changing from my Twintake but I'd love to see direct comparisons between the ITG and Twintake on the same car. My expectation is that ITG might deliver higher in the numbers game, but.
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So my car on Revo stg1 with an ITG intake is going to be producing 330 bhp or there abouts or do i need to get stg 2 software to accomodate the intake ?
Sounds like big power gains for the £ :party:
Kev
The 44bhp quoted will most likely be a gain in the mid to high range of the car and not the peak figure. :happy2:
Superchips tend to do the same. They say a max gain of XXbhp at XXXXrpm.
a bit of a cheat in some respects.
If I didn't have the EVOM's on mine (which I am happy with) then I would have probably been tearing my hair out between the Forge Twintake and the ITG. :smiley:
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you will need the cats and downpipe for stage 2 mate,
I dont know what the state of tune the ED30 was in to produce that from the intake but it was dyno tested then the ITG was fitted then re Dynod and it made 44bhp.
It will have unbelievable gains anyway mate, Whenever ive had intakes fitted in the past, ive been happy if it has gained 7bhp but a realistic 25-30 bhp with the potential of 44bhp dependant on the state of tune is out of this world IMO.
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The strange thing is that if the ITG made as much as 30 neddies plus on my K03 GTI, I actually wouldn't want it because I'd then have to start considering an aftermarket HPFP etc etc. I was originally going to go for the ITG and have huge respect for their engineer Andy but those last minute foam additions really do look pants IMO [:yawn: You've heard me banging on about it all before].
It simply comes down to what you want to achieve and spend.
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I cant remember the figure the ITG made on a K03 car exactly im sure it was 24bhp, so not as good as the ko4 but still impressive
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The strange thing is that if the ITG made as much as 30 neddies plus on my K03 GTI, I actually wouldn't want it because I'd then have to start considering an aftermarket HPFP etc etc. I was originally going to go for the ITG and have huge respect for their engineer Andy but those last minute foam additions really do look pants IMO [:yawn: You've heard me banging on about it all before].
It simply comes down to what you want to achieve and spend.
if it aint broke dont fix it robin! :signLOL: whats up with foam anyways? :popcornsoda: its a very good insulator, probably the best you'll find for that application
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if it aint broke dont fix it robin! :signLOL: whats up with foam anyways? :popcornsoda: its a very good insulator, probably the best you'll find for that application
....I'm not challenging its properties and the bottom line is that the ITG delivers lots of power. But best I don't start sharing my views yet again about the foam bits atop the battery and fuse box - Surely everyone has heard it all before and anyway it's only my opinion as a designer and not an engineer.
I'm guessing that anyone who has "subaru" in their name is going to be one of the tribe seeking to max their power, so ITG is the current flavour of the month on the basis of what we have had presented to us. That's cool.
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How much is the ITG for the KO4 car?
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only 2 really that I would consider at the moment, ITG or Forge Twintake :happy2:
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i love the way robin tries so hard not to offend anyone at the same time offending everyone! :signLOL:
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How much is the ITG for the KO4 car?
http://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p14726/ITG-VAG-2.0Ltr-TFSI-INDUCTION-KIT/product_info.html
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I agree that a direct comparison of the ITG and Twintake on the same car would be very interesting. The 44BHP gain was on a stage 2+ car which you would expect to be able to take better advantage of the intake. My car made 26BHP at stage 1 and I am sure that at stage 2+ the gains would be even greater.
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i love the way robin tries so hard not to offend anyone at the same time offending everyone! :signLOL:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FDetailing%2FStickers%2FROFL.gif&hash=cd2bae532a4573a902a117dd086926100c9368c8)
TC calls it putting my foot in it.
I think the overall concensus is the ITG but curiosity about how close the Twintake can compare. The rest is price and eye-candy and sound.
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Andy certainly knows his stuff at ITG, also remember Dom and Mat have cracking motors running Evoms
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Andy certainly knows his stuff at ITG, also remember Dom and Mat have cracking motors running Evoms
....Don't forget Hurdy!
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I've tried 2 the EVOMS and the Dbilas. Both performed similarly but the I prefer the Dbilas as its not to noisey. Neither gave any running issues.
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I had a Carbonio intake for about 6 months and then decided to change to a full EVOMS system which i'm extremely pleased with. The Dibilis system or the ITG system are the only other alternatives i, personally, would consider. :smiley:
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Just in the process of testing a itg intake for jim at awesome, against my dbilas intake.Going for a good drive on friday to compare the two. :driver:
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saw an itg filter in the flesh today and it looks a cracking peice of kit, pipes are huuuge :surprised:
thinking of changing from my evoms for this :drool:
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i love the way robin tries so hard not to offend anyone at the same time offending everyone! :signLOL:
TC calls it putting my foot in it.
he knows his stuff :happy2:
:P
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The Dbilas is getting a good cold air feed through the OEM intake, makes the car sound like Darth Vadar and also gives good gains. Compromise between quiet and noisy, and uses a K&N panel filter which will give, if anything, better filtration than most intakes, and can be easily taken out and cleaned/replaced.
Mine is going back on this weekend if you want to hear it Kevin
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Just in the process of testing a itg intake for jim at awesome, against my dbilas intake.Going for a good drive on friday to compare the two. :driver:
Have you got VCDS/VAGCOM?
I'd be interested in the logs of the MAF g/s if you have :smiley:
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saw an itg filter in the flesh today and it looks a cracking peice of kit, pipes are huuuge :surprised:
thinking of changing from my evoms for this :drool:
Same again. I have the EVOM's and would be very interested in any VCDS logs you could do if you have it :smiley:
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My ITG arrived yesterday and will be fitted 2morrow :evilgrin:
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My ITG arrived yesterday and will be fitted 2morrow :evilgrin:
Good choice. An ITG would be my choice. Simple and effective. And looks good.
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^^^^ x 2 :wink: :happy2:
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Good choice. An ITG would be my choice. Simple and effective. And looks good.
:happy2:
....I'm not sure that you'd like the noise.
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Good choice. An ITG would be my choice. Simple and effective. And looks good.
:happy2:
....I'm not sure that you'd like the noise.
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Good choice. An ITG would be my choice. Simple and effective. And looks good.
:happy2:
....I'm not sure that you'd like the noise.
Have your heard one on a K04 car Robin?
IIRC Stokeballoon rather enjoyed the pleasant sound of the finely engineered ITG intake on mine during the last trip to the ring :happy2:
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Good choice. An ITG would be my choice. Simple and effective. And looks good.
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....I'm not sure that you'd like the noise.
Have your heard one on a K04 car Robin?
IIRC Stokeballoon rather enjoyed the pleasant sound of the finely engineered ITG intake on mine during the last trip to the ring :happy2:
....I've heard GTIjames's and in that short space of time it certainly didn't match up to what some people have said regarding it being loud. But "loud" in a good way which many people enjoy.
The point I was making is that judging by his posts, Dave is very particular about sounds heard inside the cabin and consequently I would have expected him not to like it. I hadn't realised he was your passenger on your trip so clearly he knows what the ITG sounds like and also better than I do currently.
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i think having engine mounts will increase the cabin noise from an intake - itg is quite loud but as you said robin it has a nice sound to it - if you have a forge dv aswell then the noise when you lift off the gas is something else... certainly scares pedestrians :jumpmove:
highly recommend it :happy2:
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Get the intake that was developed with your map, so if its Revo stage 5 zillion then it maybe an ITG but also bear in mind it probably had a Zorst, fuel pump and some other bits. I like seeing other people get something diff rather than the "in stuff"
I am unfashionable with my GIAC & Dbilas........ and maybe a Remus exhaust :P but dont buy a Carbonio hell NO!
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i had a dbilas before the itg - was alright but had a few issues of the engine cutting on me when changing gears at speed (dsg) but i was running superchips and then revo software - i certainly agree its best to go with the intake developed for the map thats why i changed to itg and fingers crossed ever since no more engine cuts.
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Good choice. An ITG would be my choice. Simple and effective. And looks good.
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....I'm not sure that you'd like the noise.
Just to clear a few things up.
I am not in the market for an intake, but then this thread was not started by me, it was asking for preferences, and I feel I have an informed opinion.
I have given my preference, it is head and shoulders ITG, I like simple and effective, the ITG fits the bill, made by a Air filter specialist, and this fact has been shown to be beneficial by the numbers achieved.
As for the sound, I hated the vibrations given off by the BSH mounts, I felt they detracted from MY, and I repeat MY enjoyment of the car (I am presuming I am allowed not to like something here..........). The Much feted Grrrr sound is in fact vibration feedback through the car, and if you like it, then great. I didn't, I am sure I will get over it, oh look I have!
So to say I would not like the sound, is just your guess, you had not asked me about my opinion. The OP asked my opinion, and I gave it, based on my Aerodynamic experience (studied as part of another course for 4 years), based on my engineering fabrication experience (28 years including 2 apprenticeships, one as a toolmaker/boilermaker (precision Welding and fabrication)and one as a Aerospace Engineer) , based on my looking into How to's, speaking with people with various filters, and making MY mind up. But you can still have your guess. :happy2:
However the forge is very well made, the fabrication is very well done. The welds are a thing of beauty, if only other manufacturers gave such attention to detail to their welding ( :innocent:), I do not want to go any further into that debate, said all I want to say and have to ask you to just read the forum. Just I think the Forge is too complex, with the 2 intakes, and the 90 degree bend on the lower intake, which then runs onto the 90 degree convergence of the 2 airflows, just not to my liking. I am sure some will love it though.
Right, before I get flamed, this is just my opinion, after all that is what the OP was asking for. I am not tied to any company, nor am I looking to blow sunshine up the aris of any company. Open and honest opinions.
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I would go with the ITG but the only thing putting me off would be all the different sections of it. It looks messy with four different connected pipes, plus a reducer, before the MAF housing, all of which could have been one pipe if they'd taken the time to fabricate it.
Apart from that the performance is good, but just looks too messy under the bonnet for me.
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I have a carbonio on my K04, and as such satisfied with it. I still rate ITG and Forge as the only 2 atm that i possibly would swap the Carbonio for. ITG has to many connectors imo and to open the hood and look at a 1970's afro hairstyle quite turns me off, so forge is the one for me :happy2:
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Good choice. An ITG would be my choice. Simple and effective. And looks good.
:happy2:
....I'm not sure that you'd like the noise.
Just to clear a few things up.
I am not in the market for an intake, but then this thread was not started by me, it was asking for preferences, and I feel I have an informed opinion.
I have given my preference, it is head and shoulders ITG, I like simple and effective, the ITG fits the bill, made by a Air filter specialist, and this fact has been shown to be beneficial by the numbers achieved.
As for the sound, I hated the vibrations given off by the BSH mounts, I felt they detracted from MY, and I repeat MY enjoyment of the car (I am presuming I am allowed not to like something here..........). The Much feted Grrrr sound is in fact vibration feedback through the car, and if you like it, then great. I didn't, I am sure I will get over it, oh look I have!
So to say I would not like the sound, is just your guess, you had not asked me about my opinion. The OP asked my opinion, and I gave it, based on my Aerodynamic experience (studied as part of another course for 4 years), based on my engineering fabrication experience (28 years including 2 apprenticeships, one as a toolmaker/boilermaker (precision Welding and fabrication)and one as a Aerospace Engineer) , based on my looking into How to's, speaking with people with various filters, and making MY mind up. But you can still have your guess. :happy2:
However the forge is very well made, the fabrication is very well done. The welds are a thing of beauty, if only other manufacturers gave such attention to detail to their welding ( :innocent:), I do not want to go any further into that debate, said all I want to say and have to ask you to just read the forum. Just I think the Forge is too complex, with the 2 intakes, and the 90 degree bend on the lower intake, which then runs onto the 90 degree convergence of the 2 airflows, just not to my liking. I am sure some will love it though.
Right, before I get flamed, this is just my opinion, after all that is what the OP was asking for. I am not tied to any company, nor am I looking to blow sunshine up the aris of any company. Open and honest opinions.
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I have a carbonio on my K04, and as such satisfied with it. I still rate ITG and Forge as the only 2 atm that i possibly would swap the Carbonio for. ITG has to many connectors imo and to open the hood and look at a 1970's afro hairstyle quite turns me off, so forge is the one for me :happy2:
I would go with the ITG but the only thing putting me off would be all the different sections of it. It looks messy with four different connected pipes, plus a reducer, before the MAF housing, all of which could have been one pipe if they'd taken the time to fabricate it.
Apart from that the performance is good, but just looks too messy under the bonnet for me.
if we all liked the same, life would be so boring.
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I would go with the ITG but the only thing putting me off would be all the different sections of it. It looks messy with four different connected pipes, plus a reducer, before the MAF housing, all of which could have been one pipe if they'd taken the time to fabricate it.
Apart from that the performance is good, but just looks too messy under the bonnet for me.
....That is EXACTLY what stopped me getting the ITG. However, there is absolutely no doubt whatsoever that it performs extremely well.
As stokey says, "if we all liked the same, life would be so boring". I totally agree [you need not be quite so defensive - I'm not attacking some of your views but just expressing mine which are sometimes different].
I just got back from JKM's rolling-road day and my ECU has settled with my Forge Twintake and I plotted 261 bhp with excellent curves. So that's a further 8 bhp from first installation.
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I think we need an intake dyno shootout, Same car and all the intakes...in one day.
Start off with a stage 1 car with a stock intake, put it on the rollers and see what it gets.
Then one by one get the intakes on......
BSH
Neuspeed
Carbonio & filter
DBilas
Forge
EVOMS
VF
ITG
HKS
Should make an interesting day, but it is only theoretical as it would be a logistical nightmare to get them all on :rolleye:
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I think we need an intake dyno shootout, Same car and all the intakes...in one day.
....I've suggested exactly that a while ago and so have others. You're absolutely right but it would a costly exercise as well as difficult to arrange.
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could the ecu adapt to so many intakes all in one day?
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could the ecu adapt to so many intakes all in one day?
....Methinks that that might be a very good and relevant question.
As I've said in my review, each of us chooses an air intake for a whole variety of reasons. Quite frankly, even if such a comparitive exercise was achievable I for one wouldn't be making my choice based on just the highest performer. There's too many equally important factors to also consider.