MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: AlanEdition30 on February 26, 2010, 12:04:27 pm
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My dsg edition 30 has started to lurch a bit when moving off from a standstill. The car has a revo remap and revo dsg map and the car is currently in the dealers. They have noticed its remapped and are currently waiting to hear from vw about the dsg problem, with them knowing its remapped do you think it is unlikely that i will get the problem sorted through warranty?
Has anyone else been in this situation? i think its the classic mechatronic unit problem with the dsg. If it doesnt go through warranty and i have to pay for it myself anyone know how much it is likely to cost?
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I would definitely have taken the DSG map off before it went into the dealers. :rolleye:
They would more than likely have been fine with the engine map, as they sell GTI's with maps now. :smiley:
It will be a very expensive fix to do it yourself as VW will not sell the parts. :sad1:
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yeah. sounds like the mechatronic unit. It depends on the dealers attitude as to whether they advise VW that they think the car is remapped. Some are just happy to fill the workshop and some maybe jobsworths. They need to get approval from VW as its such an expensive item. They will also do an update which I would think overwrite the dsg map you have. May also overwrite the engine remap too.
How is your relationship with the dealer ? Are they big or small ? Are you a regular customer and did you buy the car from them ?
The official line I think is that if there are any performance enhancing mods then they won't honour any dsg related claims.
Chris.
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I would definitely have taken the DSG map off before it went into the dealers. :rolleye:
They would more than likely have been fine with the engine map, as they sell GTI's with maps now. :smiley:
It will be a very expensive fix to do it yourself as VW will not sell the parts. :sad1:
Why won't they sell you a mech unit then ?
Chris.
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Because they can sell you a full box for twice as much. :grin:
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Because they can sell you a full box for twice as much. :grin:
lol ! Yeah. Thats sounds about right ! :smiley:
Chris.
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The relationship with the dealers is fine, whether there passed on that its remapped i dont know. i was under the impression the dsg remap was undetectable, but im probably wrong.
If it doesnt go through warranty and i have to pay for it myself then so be it. i remapped the car knowing the risks, i just wanted to know how much it would dent my bank balance :sick:
Another thing is it only lurches every now and again. Is it worth leaving the problem to see if it gets worse or not? Or will leaving the problem damage the entire box instead of just the mechatronic unit?
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What mileage is your car a few people on here have had similar problems and a new DSG oil change has fixed them. :happy2:
If you have given it a tough life this may fix the fault. Also you can do a reset with the VCDS cable which may also help. :happy2:
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the car has done 25K and i had the dsg oil changed in december. I use a van for work so during this sh1t weather the car has only been used about 5 times since december. could it be down to not being used these last few months?
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May well have something to do with it, get out and give it a good run... Mechatronics units cost thousands so I would be changing that as a last resort :scared:
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Because they can sell you a full box for twice as much. :grin:
You can buy the mechatronics on it's own and it costs around £1000 :surprised:
The whole new box is over £3k :scared: :scared:
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the car has done 25K and i had the dsg oil changed in december. I use a van for work so during this sh1t weather the car has only been used about 5 times since december. could it be down to not being used these last few months?
25k is nothing :O
SteveP MK5 GTi DSG did up to 60k miles and still runs very well :happy2:
I'd only be replacing if you really had to... i mean... the odd jerks from standstill... even on the odd occasion i get that... i think everyone gets it
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the car has done 25K and i had the dsg oil changed in december. I use a van for work so during this sh1t weather the car has only been used about 5 times since december. could it be down to not being used these last few months?
25k is nothing :O
SteveP MK5 GTi DSG did up to 60k miles and still runs very well :happy2:
I'd only be replacing if you really bad to... i mean... the odd jerks from standstill... on the odd occasion i get that... i think everyone gets it
Rich i sometimes think you live in Cuckoo land. :signLOL:
SteveP's DSG has broken twice. :fighting2:
And all DSG cars dont jerk from standstill. :stupid:
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And all DSG cars dont jerk from standstill. :stupid:
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Not all :P
I do sometimes get a bouce forward if i'm selecting reverse and drive quickly,
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My car has only done 25k it has broken down 3 times since December with the same gearbox fault every time. You either cannot get out of park or you put in drive and the engine revs like it is in neutral. In both cases the gear display on the MFC just flashes continuously and you cannot get the key out. The VW dealer has just fitted a new gearbox control unit. The first time the fault had vanished by the time it was recovered to the dealer and they said it was because the battery was low. No engine management light was on. The second time the car again cured itself by the time it got to the dealer but engine management light was on. This time they changed the gear stick assy. which they had just changed because the gearstick gaiter was broken. The third time again the car cured itself by the time it got to the dealer but engine management light was on and this time they changed the gearbox control unit. Hopefully this will be the end of it. Luckily the car was under a VW extended warranty. Do you think they would have had to change the gearbox oil change when they changed the control unit?
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My car has only done 25k it has broken down 3 times since December with the same gearbox fault every time. You either cannot get out of park or you put in drive and the engine revs like it is in neutral. In both cases the gear display on the MFC just flashes continuously and you cannot get the key out. The VW dealer has just fitted a new gearbox control unit. The first time the fault had vanished by the time it was recovered to the dealer and they said it was because the battery was low. No engine management light was on. The second time the car again cured itself by the time it got to the dealer but engine management light was on. This time they changed the gear stick assy. which they had just changed because the gearstick gaiter was broken. The third time again the car cured itself by the time it got to the dealer but engine management light was on and this time they changed the gearbox control unit. Hopefully this will be the end of it. Luckily the car was under a VW extended warranty. Do you think they would have had to change the gearbox oil change when they changed the control unit?
Ouch :surprised: I'm surprised mine ain't broken down yet :scared:
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And all DSG cars dont jerk from standstill. :stupid:
Not all :P
I do sometimes get a bouce forward if i'm selecting reverse and drive quickly,
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I think thats just moving before it has selected the chosen gear. It should be silky smooth in normal driving conditions. Trust me you would know if you had the mechatronics fault. :happy2:
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I was looking at the DSG tsi's. Would it be a lot of hassle buying a used golf with DSG for the above reasons?
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I have never had a problem with the DSG lurching just sometimes it decided not to work! The rest of the time it seemed to work fine.
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My car has only done 25k it has broken down 3 times since December with the same gearbox fault every time. You either cannot get out of park or you put in drive and the engine revs like it is in neutral. In both cases the gear display on the MFC just flashes continuously and you cannot get the key out. The VW dealer has just fitted a new gearbox control unit. The first time the fault had vanished by the time it was recovered to the dealer and they said it was because the battery was low. No engine management light was on. The second time the car again cured itself by the time it got to the dealer but engine management light was on. This time they changed the gear stick assy. which they had just changed because the gearstick gaiter was broken. The third time again the car cured itself by the time it got to the dealer but engine management light was on and this time they changed the gearbox control unit. Hopefully this will be the end of it. Luckily the car was under a VW extended warranty.
Do you think they would have had to change the gearbox oil change when they changed the control unit?
They should have given you a job sheet or you can request one, this will tell you if they changed the oil. :happy2:
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I was looking at the DSG tsi's. Would it be a lot of hassle buying a used golf with DSG for the above reasons?
The Mechatronics failures normally show themselves early on in the cars life. so as long as you buy one with warranty Ollie you should be fine. :happy2:
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I was looking at the DSG tsi's. Would it be a lot of hassle buying a used golf with DSG for the above reasons?
The Mechatronics failures normally show themselves early on in the cars life. so as long as you buy one with warranty Ollie you should be fine. :happy2:
Cheers TC. :happy2:
I am moving closer and closer to DSG. Just watched a std manual vs std DSG and it was quicker. Also I sit in a lot of traffic DSG would be easier. In fact I cannot see any downsides. Do you miss manual? People say you lost the 'feel' of driving the car?
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I was looking at the DSG tsi's. Would it be a lot of hassle buying a used golf with DSG for the above reasons?
The Mechatronics failures normally show themselves early on in the cars life. so as long as you buy one with warranty Ollie you should be fine. :happy2:
Cheers TC. :happy2:
I am moving closer and closer to DSG. Just watched a std manual vs std DSG and it was quicker. Also I sit in a lot of traffic DSG would be easier. In fact I cannot see any downsides. Do you miss manual? People say you lost the 'feel' of driving the car?
You can have a go of mine Pal at one of the meets in the summer, :happy2: they are great fun and the sound of the gear change is worth the swap alone. Its personal choice but you dont find many people going back to manual boxes. :smiley:
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Olli,
I had a manual and the DSG is an amazing experience - it truely is
I hate to go back to a manual :signLOL:
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I was looking at the DSG tsi's. Would it be a lot of hassle buying a used golf with DSG for the above reasons?
The Mechatronics failures normally show themselves early on in the cars life. so as long as you buy one with warranty Ollie you should be fine. :happy2:
Cheers TC. :happy2:
I am moving closer and closer to DSG. Just watched a std manual vs std DSG and it was quicker. Also I sit in a lot of traffic DSG would be easier. In fact I cannot see any downsides. Do you miss manual? People say you lost the 'feel' of driving the car?
You can have a go of mine Pal at one of the meets in the summer, :happy2: they are great fun and the sound of the gear change is worth the swap alone. Its personal choice but you dont find many people going back to manual boxes. :smiley:
That would be great TC. :happy2:
I think I would prefer a DSG. I think maybe the people who say it loses the feel of the drive havent even tried it. Here is that video I was on about:
Olli,
I had a manual and the DSG is an amazing experience - it truely is
I hate to go back to a manual :signLOL:
Cheers Rich. I think it would be my preferred option too. :happy2:
Can anyone confirm if the 1.4 TSI sport 140 came with DSG in a 3 dr? I know the 122 was only 5 dr. I would have thought so as it is the sport model? :confused:
:happy2:
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mine when cold lurches in 1st....i really cba with taking it to a dealers so waiting for my service and they can sort it then as the service also includes my dsg oil change.
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Volkswagen will take into consideration the remapping of the car and DSG. The technicians need to figure out if the fault is due to the mapp, or if it is unrelated. If it is unrelated, then it should be coverd under warranty.
toon
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Mine is only lurching forward on the odd occasion.
If VW get back to me saying the odd lurch from the dsg is due to the remap and therefore im not covered under warranty, then like rich says the odd lurch every now and again i can live with.
Describing the lurch is strange because it seems to depend on how quickly you put your foot on the throttle. Its like on the odd occasion after coming off the brake the dsg has gone to sleep and putting your foot on the throttle makes it jump and wake back up.
On another note, I still struggle to understand how a remap can be related to a failing mechatronic unit. If the clutch is slipping then yes, but coming off the brake and putting foot on the throttle is hardly using the extra power gained from a remap. But of course the extra torque stresses it more through the gears.
Anway even so i still love dsg :signLOL:
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VW changed the map on my DSG and reset it (I believe the home VCDS user can do this too) and it stopped its quirk of very occasionally lurching. By this I mean a 1 second pause on start off and then a big thud of delivery causing it to buck.
If you're just getting a bit of thunk, I wouldn't discount the old dogbone mount before you convince yourself it is the DSG.
Mine's been through 3 now, each one completely eliminating the thunk through the transmission in low gears that had developed. Fair enough I probably have double the wear rate than a normal owner, but they do go slack and need changing. I just treat them as consumables now.
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When cold I get a slightly less than smooth 1st to second change, this goes away when the engine and I assume gearbox is warmed up, and its mainly when driving very gently. The cars only done 29k over 5 years does anyone know if the DSG oil needs changing periodically as well as on the 40k mark?
I read somewhere that the flashing gear indicator, has something to do with over-heating, think there was a fairly long and in detail thread with someone having these issues (faulty DSG which kept fixing itself by the time it got to the dealer) over on the uk-mkivs forum. The final result was a replaced gearbox, half paid for by the customer and half by VW (the car was out of warranty).
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Mines finally booked in for the 'jerk' to be looked at in a couple of weeks, fingers crossed they find the fault...
Car drives fine when cold but as soon as it gets hot (heavy traffic is the worst) then it will not pull away smoothly at a normal pace, goes fine if you boot it away from a standstill but normal stuff just gives the impression you passed your test 1/2 hour ago :ashamed:
Worst case scenario is reversing up an incline, jerky and head banging at best, at worst the car wont move for a second or 2 then takes off like a stabbed rat, makes life interesting at times.. :laugh:
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Hi.Been having a bit of trouble with my DSG.Struggles In reverse Getting up a slight incline on my drive! Have to give it major revs
before it does anything! Also when you put your foot down seems to make a lot of noise before it does anything reminds me of the kick down on an old astra auto i once owned! Is this normal?
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Hi.Been having a bit of trouble with my DSG.Struggles In reverse Getting up a slight incline on my drive! Have to give it major revs
before it does anything!
Was it cold when it did this as mine did that once? Admittedly it was in the snow and i kinda put it down to lack of traction. I'm not so sure it was now...pulling away when DSG is cold does seem to take extra revs too.
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Yes when cold.Maybe it,s just the beauty of the beast!
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These little issues are probably just the gearbox being fair to manuals stop them feeling completely inferior :P
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How do you know its mechatronic or the oil that needs changing?
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My car has only done 25k it has broken down 3 times since December with the same gearbox fault every time. You either cannot get out of park or you put in drive and the engine revs like it is in neutral. In both cases the gear display on the MFC just flashes continuously and you cannot get the key out. The VW dealer has just fitted a new gearbox control unit. The first time the fault had vanished by the time it was recovered to the dealer and they said it was because the battery was low. No engine management light was on. The second time the car again cured itself by the time it got to the dealer but engine management light was on. This time they changed the gear stick assy. which they had just changed because the gearstick gaiter was broken. The third time again the car cured itself by the time it got to the dealer but engine management light was on and this time they changed the gearbox control unit. Hopefully this will be the end of it. Luckily the car was under a VW extended warranty.
Do you think they would have had to change the gearbox oil change when they changed the control unit?
They should have given you a job sheet or you can request one, this will tell you if they changed the oil. :happy2:
If you have had the Mechatronics unit changed then they would have also changed the gearbox oil at the same time. I also questioned this when my unit was swapped out. The oil got drained off before they removed the unit. HTH :happy2:
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My car has only done 25k it has broken down 3 times since December with the same gearbox fault every time. You either cannot get out of park or you put in drive and the engine revs like it is in neutral. In both cases the gear display on the MFC just flashes continuously and you cannot get the key out. The VW dealer has just fitted a new gearbox control unit. The first time the fault had vanished by the time it was recovered to the dealer and they said it was because the battery was low. No engine management light was on. The second time the car again cured itself by the time it got to the dealer but engine management light was on. This time they changed the gear stick assy. which they had just changed because the gearstick gaiter was broken. The third time again the car cured itself by the time it got to the dealer but engine management light was on and this time they changed the gearbox control unit. Hopefully this will be the end of it. Luckily the car was under a VW extended warranty.
Do you think they would have had to change the gearbox oil change when they changed the control unit?
They should have given you a job sheet or you can request one, this will tell you if they changed the oil. :happy2:
If you have had the Mechatronics unit changed then they would have also changed the gearbox oil at the same time. I also questioned this when my unit was swapped out. The oil got drained off before they removed the unit. HTH :happy2:
I did ask the dealer and they said it was not changed. They were not keen and giving specific information.