MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Matt23 on February 28, 2010, 06:19:32 pm
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I would like to thank Darren (mortygttdi) for fitting both my RNS 510. Then fitting my multi function buttons to my steering wheel today after much searching on german ebay. What a difference they make after having them on my last car i missed them on this one.
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Nice job.
Much effort to change the wheel?
Whats with your accelerator pedal? How come its not the aluminium one?
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It was a case of unclipping the airbag and replacing the blanks with the buttons two screws as the wiring was already there. The wheel is still the same. All down to Darren as i just watched.
Well spotted.I don't know it was like that when i got it. Was already thinking about changing it but i have to buy a set from stealers for £97 and then it as to be dealer fit for some reason. Which means labour costs on top. Unless anyone knows where to get one from?
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Dealer fit? I replaced mine when i had my mk2 Leon.
Took 10 mins.
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I have been to 2 different dealers and both said the same thing.
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They just want more money out of you mate. Loads of people have done this change.
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If your car is a GTi then that accel pedal should have been sorted at the PDI...
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They just want more money out of you mate. Loads of people have done this change.
Will have another go with a different dealer.
If your car is a GTi then that accel pedal should have been sorted at the PDI...
Second owner of the car.
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Do all cars already have the wiring in place to allow you to change just the button panels?
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Do all cars already have the wiring in place to allow you to change just the button panels?
nope, several treads on this topic , search and you shall find :wink:
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Do all cars already have the wiring in place to allow you to change just the button panels?
DSG only I believe.
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Matt23 do you have a link to the German ebay item for the button panels? And how do they look/work? Also I know there are two different types of buttons one older one newer set, which are these? I have an 05 GTI.... Sorry for all the questions but seeing this has just made me ever so slightly excited!!! :jumping:
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Matt23 do you have a link to the German ebay item for the button panels? And how do they look/work? Also I know there are two different types of buttons one older one newer set, which are these? I have an 05 GTI.... Sorry for all the questions but seeing this has just made me ever so slightly excited!!! :jumping:
The guy i got them off asn't anymore but this will show you the 2 sets which i found
http://shop.ebay.de/i.html?_kw=VW&_kw=GOLF&_kw=5&_kw=TASTEN&_kw=LENKRAD&_kw=GTI
I believe the lower set with the star on the left unit to be the newer ones. This is the set i got, they work on my 07 gti.
They look perfect, as if they were fitted when new. All buttons work don't know about phone button as i haven't a bluetooth kit.
If your car is a dsg you should have the wiring already there so will only need the button's. If it's manual you probably don't have the wiring. I know there are other threads on this subject so i would check them before buying.
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Legendary Matt, you just saved me hours of frustration on german ebay :drinking: Ive sent the seller an email to check postage to the UK he didnt mention it in his advert from what I can tell (I speak no german)
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Paying for them is the hard bit.
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Oh right, does the guy not take paypal?
If anyone else is interested, I can see if I can get several all in one go, might be easier if its difficult and might save on the postage?
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I'm interested - PM'd
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Dealer fit? I replaced mine when i had my mk2 Leon.
Took 10 mins.
What he said dead easy to fit - http://seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=178301
I think I paid about £70 for mine if I remember.
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Legendary Matt, you just saved me hours of frustration on german ebay :drinking: Ive sent the seller an email to check postage to the UK he didnt mention it in his advert from what I can tell (I speak no german)
Can have it sent to my place in Germany if you want mate, if its cheaper? I'll be going over there 20th Juny and comming back
23rd July...
I really want to fit the Facelift CupraR flat bottomed steering wheel, there apears to be lots of knowledge on here so I'll get it sorted
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I want to do this - but my car is manual.. Does anyone have any info (or thread links) to what is involved in fitting them to a manual car?
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Legendary Matt, you just saved me hours of frustration on german ebay :drinking: Ive sent the seller an email to check postage to the UK he didnt mention it in his advert from what I can tell (I speak no german)
Can have it sent to my place in Germany if you want mate, if its cheaper? I'll be going over there 20th Juny and comming back
23rd July...
I really want to fit the Facelift CupraR flat bottomed steering wheel, there apears to be lots of knowledge on here so I'll get it sorted
Cheers Mike, if I can find some might pm you to get them sent to your place which might save alot of money and trouble :notworthy:
JCM76, if you have a manual then you need to get a whole new steering wheel as you dont have the right apertures to change your plastic blanks. This usually involves changing other parts like controllers and slip rings, but depends on the rest of your car specification, not 100% on what affects this but things like cruise have an effect.
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The ones without buttons on them are the standard steering wheel plates that all DSG cars have. The wiring to the control box is present & working, but there are no buttons to press. If you are desperate for a set of these without buttons, they are £70 a side from the stealer, or you can have mine for postage only cos MortyGTTDi fitted MFSW buttons for me yesterday! :grin:
No idea why anyone would want these so good luck to the ebay seller if he thinks he'll shift 'em :rolleye:
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Richn83,
Def interested, too much of a newb to be able to PM! :sad1:
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Would be interested in a set aswell.
Would there be much to connecting them up?
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PM'd
:drinking: :drinking:
Plllleeeaaassssseee let him have some !
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Hello all, I never managed to get anywhere with the guys on German ebay, I had confirmation that the postage could be split from the original guy that matt23 provided the link for, but once the auction had ended he stopped replying to my messages!
The pricing for them on German ebay have also gone through the roof from E40 upto nearer E70, so they arent alot cheaper.
A seller seems to have these http://cgi.ebay.de/VW-MULTIFUNKTION-LENKRAD-TASTEN-PASSAT-3C-GOLF-5-TOURAN_W0QQitemZ300445742331QQcategoryZ53915QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286.m7QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D3%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D7133175416055269737#ht_1406wt_820 (http://cgi.ebay.de/VW-MULTIFUNKTION-LENKRAD-TASTEN-PASSAT-3C-GOLF-5-TOURAN_W0QQitemZ300445742331QQcategoryZ53915QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286.m7QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D3%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D7133175416055269737#ht_1406wt_820)
Which are from the Passat, they are the new button configuration but with the old style buttons. They are currently £63 but with £14 postage, since he has at least two he might be prepared to send both with a single shipping charge, and he may be able to get hold of more, if people would be interested then I am happy to email the guy.
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Well I'm definately game for this, even if the price has gone up a little. If it helps I do have a German address he could send them to and i'd be back in the UK at the end of July. Are you going to buy a set Rich?
Cheers
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Hi Dougle, it all depends if anyone else steps forward or not, I have since trying to organise this the first time ended up buying a complete wheel to get some multi-function buttons as reaching to the stereo was driving me crazy :grin:
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Hi Rich!
I agree, reaching forward is driving me crazy and i've only had the car 3 days! VW really should have fitted these as standard.
I'll wait and see if theres more interest, if not i'll prob just buy the ones you put the link up for. Do you know if the comp will require coding or do they plug and play? Ive got a 55 dsg with paddles.
Thanks
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Volume buttons and mute should work without coding, the buttons on the right will depend on the setup you have, the ok and up and down-buttons will as default scroll through the computer display in the clocks, and if you have highline the menu button should looks like a drop down list should work. The only coding that was required with mine is to enable short press buttons in the radio module but as I havent done this yet Im not 100% about what difference this makes, I believe it will allow the skipping of tracks, I can confirm tonight or tomorrow as I will be re-coding.
And totally agree, not sure how VW didnt include highline and buttons on all the GTI's especially when the R32 wasnt out it was the top of the range model and didnt come with these frankly basic items! I had the buttons as standard on my 2002 focus zetec for gods sake!
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Thanks for the info Rich, think im just going to buy those buttons. Might have to get some advice from you when it comes to fitting them though.......I have no idea how these golfs come apart! :fighting:
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ok dougle, well always happy to give advice, its also fairly easy. Where abouts are you based when your not in Germany? as if your local then will be happy to come out and help along with my trusty vag cable and netbook! im normally south east london way near bromley or over gloucester or farnham way on the weekends. :happy2:
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Thanks for that Rich :happy2: Im based fairly close (twickenham) when not in Germany so I may have to take you up on the offer!
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Hi folks,
So to summarise,
I have a 2005 DSG GTi - with no MFSW but the plastic panel things are there.
If I bought a new steering controller, slip ring & MFSW with DSG paddles, I could get the lot coded in to work?
Or if I wanted the cheap option, just buy the buttons to make it MFSW? (But the wiring may not be there, even though I have DSG but no paddle shifts?)
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Hi folks,
So to summarise,
I have a 2005 DSG GTi - with no MFSW but the plastic panel things are there.
If I bought a new steering controller, slip ring & MFSW with DSG paddles, I could get the lot coded in to work?
Or if I wanted the cheap option, just buy the buttons to make it MFSW? (But the wiring may not be there, even though I have DSG but no paddle shifts?)
So at the moment do you have DSG paddles or not? as every wheel has the blanks but some of them are just plastic without the cut-out for the controllers. To be sure you will need to remove the air bag and have a look. If you dont I have a paddle shift R36 wheel with paddle shifters that can be converted into MFSW with paddle shift.
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Hi Rich,
No DSG paddles on my wheel no.
What's an R36? Does that look the same as the GTi one mate?
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its the passat equivalent with the slightly larger displacement engine, it is a slightly different wheel but looks good I was going to fit it but decided not to change from standard look.
Looks like this (https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.product-reviews.net%2Fwp-content%2Fuserimages%2F2008%2F04%2Fvw-passat-r36-interior.jpg&hash=6cfc0bb5d9ccb5aafd5bea3f187d3226bf8e999b)
Found a better picture (https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.burwinvw.com.au%2Fdownloads%2FImage%2Fpassat%2Fpassat_sedan_r36_4_large.jpg&hash=8091a727821cef1822442e5069e5ad628b1c98a7)
And it currently only has the black plastic blanks as the buttons migrated there way over to my GTI wheel, its obviously a little rounder, but still slightly flattened, and is a little thicker than the GTI wheel so feels a little sturdier and grippier in the hands, let me know if you'd be interested.
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I have got a 2006 with DSG and Highline so should mine be a straight swap near enough.
Sorry can't PM at the minute but if there is enough interest from others perhaps we could place an order.
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As long as you have DSG paddles on the wheel then you can replace the existing black plastic (which has circuitry behind it to pass the paddle single on through a controller) with the buttons, and these will work, having highline isnt a pre-requisite but it will help to obtain full functionality from all of the buttons on the right hand module.
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I have got a 2006 with DSG and Highline so should mine be a straight swap near enough.
Sorry can't PM at the minute but if there is enough interest from others perhaps we could place an order.
Yes forgot to say I have the paddles aswell so everything should be there,this was the only extra the car didnt have that I was looking for but was a low mileage one so was willing to forgo the MFSW because of that , is good to know that its able to be fitted.
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MortyGTTDi fitted my MFSW buttons in about 10 minutes on Sunday. No coding necessary, they just went on 'plug & play'. I have DSG 08, midline, RNS510. They are £70 a side from the stealer, or trawl the Fleabay & you may be lucky. Be aware of the pre 2006 and 2006 & later variants. Plenty of threads about them on here, a search will point you in the right direction.
Bottom line, an easy mod (Thanks to Darren) and worth every penny :happy2:
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Hmmm Looks quite nice Rich - but like you i'd like to stick with the 'standard' look, I love the flat bottomed wheel :)
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Hmmm Looks quite nice Rich - but like you i'd like to stick with the 'standard' look, I love the flat bottomed wheel :)
totally understand mate, i bought it and was really impressed with the look, but chnaged my mind about installing it, also re-sold some R32 highline clocks I had got, but switched the buttons over.
And it really is very easy the most daunting thing is disconnecting the airbag but it all went well.
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I'd be too scared it would just go off randomly! lol I was worrying fitting a microphone cable in the A-pillar cause I kept thinking that would set the airbag off!!! :scared:
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I think you would have to do something faily severe to set the airbag off, and thats why you disconnect the battery, suppose the biggest issue is if you leave something disconnected and your air bag doesnt work. But you should be fine, the a pillar cable run is worse, as the airbag is more exposed in that location, the wheel airbag is much better packed up and easier to handle.
For example I did it one evening in 15 minutes with a torch and a shaving mirror. :stupid:
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Have just bought those buttons off ebay £60........pretty happy with that and as I have a German address £1 for p+p! Now for the fun bit of fitting them. Can anyone show me a picture of what i need to prod to get the steering wheel apart?
Cheers Rich BTW for finding that set on fleabay.de!
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Have just bought those buttons off ebay £60........pretty happy with that and as I have a German address £1 for p+p! Now for the fun bit of fitting them. Can anyone show me a picture of what i need to prod to get the steering wheel apart?
Cheers Rich BTW for finding that set on fleabay.de!
cheers doug just about to buy some !
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British Lion do you want my address out here? Im back in the UK next Sat, and can drop them off/post them for you if you like?
Let me know,
Doug
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Just realised i need one with a star button as i have fitted an rns so want voice control !
need to re check but will let you know on german adress thanks dougie !
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Cant remember where I found my how to, but its really very simple!
Those ones have the star on them, they just have the different rubberished finish. or there are always these ones if you want the raised plastic buttons
http://cgi.ebay.de/VW-MULTIFUNKTION-LENKRAD-TASTEN-PASSAT-GOLF-5-CADDY-EOS_W0QQitemZ290456366054QQcategoryZ53915QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DDLSL%252BSIC%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BIEW%252BFICS%252BUFI%26otn%3D8%26pmod%3D300445742331%252B300445742331%26po%3D%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D6964903904850419507#ht_1406wt_820 (http://cgi.ebay.de/VW-MULTIFUNKTION-LENKRAD-TASTEN-PASSAT-GOLF-5-CADDY-EOS_W0QQitemZ290456366054QQcategoryZ53915QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DDLSL%252BSIC%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BIEW%252BFICS%252BUFI%26otn%3D8%26pmod%3D300445742331%252B300445742331%26po%3D%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D6964903904850419507#ht_1406wt_820)
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So cant find a fitting instruction, so a quick explanation!
First thing to do is to park the car with the steering wheel at a right angle, so the bottom spoke is parallel to the ground (this will minimise the amount of dry steering required) then disconnect the negative battery terminal, this will allow you to isolate the air bag, and also prevent any error codes being logged.
Then release the steering column adjuster so that you can move the steering wheel as far away form the dash as possible.
Remove the trim below the dials with the leatherette that links to the steering column, this should just pull gently forwards, this will then allow you to remove the top plastic cowling from the steering column, this is held in place by 4 metal trim clips, I did this by inserting a trim removal tool into the gap between the upper and lower trim on the front face (the area normally hidden by the steering wheel) this gave enough purchase to pull the trim off by hand, in an upwards direction.
Once you have this out the way you will then have space to get a screw-driver behind the steering wheel, this is the point where you might need a small mirror, as you are looking to insert the screw driver into the oval slot with what looks like a large phillips screw driver head, the air bag is attached to one of these on either side via a metal loop, you use the screw driver to un-hook the loop. you can see the holes and clips in the picture below.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flh5.ggpht.com%2F_4kAgpBiQyvk%2FTEVdgmitxyI%2FAAAAAAAAAII%2FT0BGpdKNG_Q%2Fs640%2FIMAG0339.jpg&hash=ca6835103b55624f4736817e5c5c4d85f6ffffe4)
and the hooks in this picture of the back of the airbag
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fg83%2Fjammmyb%2Fmyairbagdifferent2.jpg&hash=b47382b0bd58cde49ceee2a92f90b8f308d7cb6b)
Once off, you need to insert the key to release the steering lock and turn the wheel through 180 degrees while being careful not to pop the airbag back on to the clip youve just removed.
This time make sure your supporting the airbag when you un clip the hook, as the wiring will be the only thing holding it in place, once released undo the yellow air bag wiring harness and place the airbag to one-side.
Next you need to un-screw the two controller blanks from the wheel this requires a torq screw, it is the same size as all the rest in the car. You will also need to un-wire the DSG paddles via the white connector blocks.
At this point you can either decide to keep the steering wheel controller that is slotted into your wheel or replace it with the one you got with your buttons (if you did)
The controller is just wedged into a rubberised hole so use a screw driver or trim removal tool to prize it out.
Now reverse the process but with your buttons, make sure the cable ribbons and DSG cables are tidied away correctly before simply pressing the air bag back in place, then remove the key (if you havent already) and reconnect the battery.
Some threads said it was advisable to turn the ignition on without sitting in the driver seat in case the air bag fires but I think this would be fairly unlikely.
HTH
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Rich sir, you are a scholar and gent, will attempt this little manouvre next weekend.
Hopefully I wont blow my head off with the airbag :grin:
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Rich sir, you are a scholar and gent, will attempt this little manouvre next weekend.
Hopefully I wont blow my head off with the airbag :grin:
If your are lucky your fist might soften the blow of the airbag :jumping: :P
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Rich sir, you are a scholar and gent, will attempt this little manouvre next weekend.
Hopefully I wont blow my head off with the airbag :grin:
If your are lucky your fist might soften the blow of the airbag :jumping: :P
Knowing my luck i'll be prodding something with a screw driver at the time, and that will end up stuck in my head.....should make for an interesting trip to A+E though! :grin:
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Doug keep us updated how you get on !
im a like you so would be interested to find out how hard it is !
disconnecting the negative on the battery would scare me :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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It's only for the DSG version, yes.
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Out of curiosity lads, if I bought, say an R32 DSG wheel, which has the later buttons (2006+) the raised ones, will it still work ok in a 2005 DSG GTI providing I get a compatible SW controller of course?
And also, the next question, I don't use the OE head unit, I have an Alpine aftermarket one, which, ironically, provides a CAN-BUS steering adaptor which I have already wired in, in any other car, this would make the steering wheel buttons work with an aftermarket radio - so am assuming the same on this assuming I can use the later raised buttons from a later model?
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Just noticed these if anyone is interested:
[ebay]290456746994[/ebay]
Currently going at 1 Euro (albeit with 9 days left to run) with 10 Euros shipping to the UK being sold by someone in Hungary...
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Out of curiosity lads, if I bought, say an R32 DSG wheel, which has the later buttons (2006+) the raised ones, will it still work ok in a 2005 DSG GTI providing I get a compatible SW controller of course?
And also, the next question, I don't use the OE head unit, I have an Alpine aftermarket one, which, ironically, provides a CAN-BUS steering adaptor which I have already wired in, in any other car, this would make the steering wheel buttons work with an aftermarket radio - so am assuming the same on this assuming I can use the later raised buttons from a later model?
Hi Sean, The buttons will work with the 2005 car, thats what mine is I do have the RNS510 so I cant comment on the compatibility with the Alpine unit, but if it has an up-link to the canbus then it should be listening out for the right signal. One thing to note is that the newer buttons dont appear to have a function for skipping tracks unless you have the highline computer with the music menu, then you can use a short press to skip. So if you just want to skip track and change volume, and you dont have an RNS then the old style buttons might be better.
But importantly both will work.
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Many thanks Rich, much appreciated - reading that definately better for me to get the older buttons as im forever skipping tracks :grin:
Thanks :)
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Just wanted to say thanks to Richn83 for his guide on how to fit MFSW buttons, put mine in last weekend and it was easy as pie. And whats more all the buttons work without me having to fiddle with VCDS!
So cheers RICH!
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No problem glad it was useful :happy2:
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Old Thread but very useful