MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Golfgirl on March 01, 2010, 05:34:36 pm
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Well, it's not just on Mk 5's. I had the same problem on my Mk 4 too. It's not a new problem, I've always had it but it's starting to really annoy me now. There was a hard frost this morning, so I started the car up whilst I scraped all the windows. Turned the heated mirrors on, whacked the temp up to HI and set the blower on full speed on the windscreen. When I'd finished I got into the car and the windscreen was misted up. I turned off the blower and pressed the windscreen button (the one above the rear screen demister) and again, it didn't clear meaning I had to get my chamois sponge and wipe it so I could see where I was going.
Why doesn't the screen clear? I look an idiot when I meet my neighbour on the drive and his Ford clears almost instantly. When I got in this afternoon I had to clean the inside of the windscreen as it was all smeary from where I'd wiped it this morning, but it just doesn't seem to clear with the blower OR the heated screen button.
It's really peeing me off now. Is there anything I am doing wrong? Any tips on how to get it to clear? I've sat there for 10 mins in the past and all it does is clear the very bottom of the screen and that's all.
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if there is any muck on there and if its not really clean, it will mist up a lot easier than a clean window.
that doesnt solve your problem though.
try cleaning it with some good alcohol based glass cleaner and see if its any easier?
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It's not dirty, I clean the inside fairly regularly. I use Windolene on it but surely that can't be why it doesn't clear? I have also used Autoglym Fast Glass on it before and it's been the same.
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Do you put the air-con on when you put the blowers on. this is recommended for clearing a bit quicker. :happy2:
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have you checked the pollen filter ? read somwhere that if that is dirty it dosent help. worth a try :happy2:
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Mine is the same takes ages,espically after it's stood out after a night shift (garaged at home). I keep the inside of the screen clean as well.
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Its the air-con golfgirl for definite...
Keep it on... all the time if possible.
As soon as i turned it off, my windows misted up one dull evening & on one morning like yourself ( i just keep it on the whole time now )
This solve your problem :happy2:
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Dont shoot me but...Dont think Golfs have heated screens, the window button only directs air towards the window only. I have also heard the a/c does not operate when its below 5 degrees, although the light remains lit :stupid:
Also when your car is cold the air from the blower is cold, thus meaning it takes longer for the screen to clear anyway.
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Dont shoot me but...Dont think Golfs have heated screens, the window button only directs air towards the window only. I have also heard the a/c does not operate when its below 5 degrees, although the light remains lit :stupid:
Also when your car is cold the air from the blower is cold, thus meaning it takes longer for the screen to clear anyway.
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What he said.
The windscreen button turns on the a/c and the blowers on full pelt aimed at the windscreen, however when its 5 deg or below the a/c doesn't come on in order to protect itself.
If you had your a/c on the night before, assuming it was warm enough that it works, this only adds to the problem as all the moisture from the condensor is now being blown at your screen.
If you have to use the a/c, just before you get home turn it off, the heat on high and crack open the window to let the moisture out.
Otherwise as said check the pollen filter. Made a huge difference to me when I changed it, the screen now never steams up unless I've gotten into the car sodden.
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It's rather disappointing about the windscreen. My 1999 ford fiesta had a heated windscreen and would demist rather more quickly than it does on the golf. If your car is parked in a safe area, use a piece of cardboard over the windscreen held in position by the wipers in the service position.
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My mk5 clears pretty quickly, but I chuck the aircon on... and "whoosh!" it's clear in about 20 seconds.......
Probably teaching "granny to suck eggs"... but it's this button (along with the heated wing-mirrors - put the knob in the 12 o'clock position)
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Like i said, not preaching to converted, but... well, you know what I mean - trying to be helpful! :grin:
Dan
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Depending on the age and condition of your car...the aircon may need re-pressurising... I know if that isn't up to scratch it can cause a similar issue.
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Aircon isn't relevant on frosty mornings though as the compressor doesn't engage below 3.5 deg c to protect it. Only issues I've ever had with mine misting up is after a few months where I haven't cleaned the inside of the screen
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True enough on COLD, but surely on heat settings (25 degrees upwards) it works.......
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It's not dirty, I clean the inside fairly regularly. I use Wendolene on it but surely that can't be why it doesn't clear? I have also used Autoglym Fast Glass on it before and it's been the same.
Does Wallace know that :laugh:
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You are getting water / damp somewhere inside the car and this is causing the acute condensation. I have the same problem on my 55 plate GTI with 80k on the clock, chucked away the pollen filter, left the holder blank and this helped but prob still there. No problem on my ed 30 which is much newer, same morning same start procedure everything. Had made a mental note to check all the drain holes which are prob blocked with leaves etc and leeting some water into the heating / air con system which is causing loads of condensation.
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True enough on COLD, but surely on heat settings (25 degrees upwards) it works.......
No. They're talking about external temperature. When the weather outside is less than 4*C, the air conditioning won't function. This is irrespective of the temp you set the aircon at.
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If you get into the car wet or damp then whack the heating on, all the moisture will leave you clothes etc and stay in the air inside the car. If you don't open the window slightly on the journey it will stay inside. Then when the air temp cools as it sit's there overnight it will condensate onto all the cold surfaces, mainly the windows.
So you need to remove the moist air at some point to stop it happening over and over again, aircon will do this but so will opening your window a touch even if it's cold and raining outside. Only has to be an inch or so down.
If your anything like my misses (not being sexist) then you'll get in the car then whack the heaters onto MAX and cook yourself all the way home. This won't help :grin:
Worth a go :happy2:
Failing that, your letting moisture in overnight or when it's stood, which could be an issue, but unlikely I would say.
Sam
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It's not dirty, I clean the inside fairly regularly. I use Wendolene on it but surely that can't be why it doesn't clear? I have also used Autoglym Fast Glass on it before and it's been the same.
Does Wallace know that :laugh:
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True enough on COLD, but surely on heat settings (25 degrees upwards) it works.......
No I'm pretty sure that regardless of what temp you want inside the car, if its below 3.5 deg c outside, it remains switched off
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Righto, it's just that in my Scoob, the aircon would work to clear the screen (granted, it was air con and not climate control).........
Having said that, I know that when I press my "screen" button, the system goes off "econ" mode and it clears very quickly.... regardless of temperature.....
Who knows? :happy2:
Dan
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Why not try throwing in one of those little bags which absorb condensation often found amongst packaged electrical goods, etc.
You know, the ones with the small little beads in a sachet... btw I'm serious.
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Mines was a bit like that when i bought it. Change of pollen filter and it was sorted.
One of the boys at work had the same problem with his audi - said as soon as he turned the aircon off it steamed up. So i asked have you changed the pollen filter at which point he looked like this :confused: and said the pollen what? So i said ill show you where it is after work. Took it out and it was BLACK!! dont think it had ever been changed since 2002 when the car was built. He got a new one that night and said its been fine since.
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If its been serviced recently, apparently some of the filters(pollen especially) are i pig to refit and fitters have been known to bodge it with the time alotted for that specific job. A bad fit lets in moisture and can worsen the problem you're experiencing. If you use the recirc button to speed up warming up the air in the cabin all you're then doing is recirculating the moist air. Get the filter checked/changed and in the mean time crack the window/sunroof open a touch. Hope it gets sorted. :happy2:
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I regularly got a bit miffed at this issue in my Mk4 constant misting as soon as I got in during winter/spring, dunno' why....
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had the same issue's with mine,i changed the pollen filter and it has been fine since then :smiley:
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had the same issue's with mine,i changed the pollen filter and it has been fine since then :smiley:
........think i will get one.Are they really a pig to change as posted above ?.
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Hey, GolfGirl, I have the exact same problem on my 56 plate GTI. Infact this morning when I went to de-ice the car (Minus 3 overnight) I had ice on the inside of my windscreen as well. It took me ages to clear the ice and demist. One of the problems that I have is that my jouney to and from the station is relatively small, so the inside of the car never really gets warm. (neither does the oil - leading to mayo under the cap, but that's a different post). I'm going to try the pollen filter change as soon as I can and see what happens. Also I've tried keeping all the vents shut overnight, but this doesn't seem to help. I may just have to try and burn off any moisture that is in the car after my journey home. Another solution could be to hold my breath all the way home...meaning no moisture from me in the car !!! :laugh: I used to have a mk 4 with the eaxct same demisting issues, however' I've also have a v6 Passat and never had a de-misting issue....clearly VW can make a car that de-misits correctly.....so what's wrong with sorting this out on a Golf ! Not impressed with VW on this one....... :mad:
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If its been serviced recently, apparently some of the filters(pollen especially) are i pig to refit and fitters have been known to bodge it with the time alotted for that specific job. A bad fit lets in moisture and can worsen the problem you're experiencing. If you use the recirc button to speed up warming up the air in the cabin all you're then doing is recirculating the moist air. Get the filter checked/changed and in the mean time crack the window/sunroof open a touch. Hope it gets sorted. :happy2:
Pollen filter is a 5 mins jobs requiring no tools. its under a foam cover in the passenger footwell held on with two thumb screws. Once you remove the foam cover slide the plastic cover to either the left or right then remove the filter. Chuck the new one in and refit the covers. Job done!!
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New filter on my next rest days. :smiley: :happy2:
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If its been serviced recently, apparently some of the filters(pollen especially) are i pig to refit and fitters have been known to bodge it with the time alotted for that specific job. A bad fit lets in moisture and can worsen the problem you're experiencing. If you use the recirc button to speed up warming up the air in the cabin all you're then doing is recirculating the moist air. Get the filter checked/changed and in the mean time crack the window/sunroof open a touch. Hope it gets sorted. :happy2:
Pollen filter is a 5 mins jobs requiring no tools. its under a foam cover in the passenger footwell held on with two thumb screws. Once you remove the foam cover slide the plastic cover to either the left or right then remove the filter. Chuck the new one in and refit the covers. Job done!!
Meant to say - if you are changing the filter then put a dust sheet/old towel on the passenger footwell carpet. There will probably be a bit of dirt that comes off the filter when you remove it!
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If its been serviced recently, apparently some of the filters(pollen especially) are i pig to refit and fitters have been known to bodge it with the time alotted for that specific job. A bad fit lets in moisture and can worsen the problem you're experiencing. If you use the recirc button to speed up warming up the air in the cabin all you're then doing is recirculating the moist air. Get the filter checked/changed and in the mean time crack the window/sunroof open a touch. Hope it gets sorted. :happy2:
Pollen filter is a 5 mins jobs requiring no tools. its under a foam cover in the passenger footwell held on with two thumb screws. Once you remove the foam cover slide the plastic cover to either the left or right then remove the filter. Chuck the new one in and refit the covers. Job done!!
Can't find my pollen filter - you got me looking now!
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Ch ch ch check it out! (in a Beastie Boys Styleee!!) :happy2:
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3302867 (http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3302867)
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Got a new filter late on today.9 quid from the dealers. :happy2:
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Thanks for all the advice guys. The car has done it from new so I doubt it's the pollen filter. My Mk 4 also did it so I just thought it was a VW issue all round. I do have the AC on constantly, just adjust the temperature as it suits, but I must admit I'm a typical woman and like it warm :grin:
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FWIW, if you like it warm (erm..) use the econ mode - it will dry out the atmosphere quicker.
I only use aircon when I want it cold to be honest - as soon as you press the demist button, aircon comes on, but after clearing, it switch back to econ mode.
Bit of both worlds :happy2: (ps this works for ME - not necessarily everybody else)
Dan
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FWIW, if you like it warm (erm..) use the econ mode - it will dry out the atmosphere quicker.
I only use aircon when I want it cold to be honest - as soon as you press the demist button, aircon comes on, but after clearing, it switch back to econ mode.
Bit of both worlds :happy2: (ps this works for ME - not necessarily everybody else)
Dan
Exactly what I do as well :happy2:
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Fitted a new Pollen filter over the weekend.....I'll let you know how it goes. Only took 10 mins to do the whole thing. The old one was such a mess, totally clogged up with leaves, twigs and what looked like dust from a vacuum cleaner..... hopefully the change to a new one will help with the misting / de-misting issue....... fingers crossed.
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Fitted a new Pollen filter over the weekend.....I'll let you know how it goes. Only took 10 mins to do the whole thing. The old one was such a mess, totally clogged up with leaves, twigs and what looked like dust from a vacuum cleaner..... hopefully the change to a new one will help with the misting / de-misting issue....... fingers crossed.
...........same here,will keep you posted. :happy2:
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Fitted a new Pollen filter over the weekend.....I'll let you know how it goes. Only took 10 mins to do the whole thing. The old one was such a mess, totally clogged up with leaves, twigs and what looked like dust from a vacuum cleaner..... hopefully the change to a new one will help with the misting / de-misting issue....... fingers crossed.
I don't know if its standard or an upgrade - but when i swapped mine i went for a charcoal filter, its ment to soak up more of the smells :scared: from outside :innocent:
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Just to let you know that despite all the improvements VW put into the mk5.5, my windscreen is a nightmare to clear too.
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im glad the pollen filter thing came up, just had a look at mine and although it was clean, the cover was not on it properly, i basically removed the foam bit and the base and filter fell out :confused:
all sorted now though :smiley:
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I'm pretty sure the compressor(AC) will only work above 4 degrees C to avoid any chance of and condensation freezing up.
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Pretty sure that's the case, but air-con also works in heat too...... it's the dehumidifying process that then clears the screen quickly (although this is what I have been told)
Dan :happy2:
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Pretty sure that's the case, but air-con also works in heat too...... it's the dehumidifying process that then clears the screen quickly (although this is what I have been told)
Dan :happy2:
But if the compressor isn't on due to the external temperature then there is no AC, no dehumidiying, nada. Except damp air should the AC have been on the night before say.
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I totally agree with your comment. Makes sense to me, but like I said, my comment was based on what I was told :stupid: wierd.
Regardless, when I press the demist button though, the econ light goes off, therefore suggesting that the aircon is on...... as to what it is actually doing.... well, that's a different matter :grin:
All I know is that the screen clears almost instantly....
Might post this question to Teutonic Tamer on golfgti.co.uk - he seemed to have a mechanical insight to most things VAG.... unless there's people on here who are with knowledge (not saying you're not, ub7rm!! :happy2: )
Interested to see how it actually works - in idiot terms..... I'm an "end-user" :wink:
Dan :grin:
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Might post this question to Teutonic Tamer on golfgti.co.uk
When he's about, he hangs around both here and over there. He's not been active for a while.
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When I press the demist button, I turn the AC off. I see no reason why it needs to be on.
The windscreen always seems to demist for me pretty quickly - much quicker then my previous car.......
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I totally agree with your comment. Makes sense to me, but like I said, my comment was based on what I was told :stupid: wierd.
Regardless, when I press the demist button though, the econ light goes off, therefore suggesting that the aircon is on...... as to what it is actually doing.... well, that's a different matter :grin:
All I know is that the screen clears almost instantly....
Might post this question to Teutonic Tamer on golfgti.co.uk - he seemed to have a mechanical insight to most things VAG.... unless there's people on here who are with knowledge (not saying you're not, ub7rm!! :happy2: )
Interested to see how it actually works - in idiot terms..... I'm an "end-user" :wink:
Dan :grin:
In warm weather (above 5 Deg C) when you press the windscreen button the ac will come on, in cold weather the econ light will still go off but the compressor clutch won't actually engage - the ECU doesn't command it to. When the ac clutch engages, you will hear a gentle thunk and the idle revs willl change slightly. When the ac is in 'self protecting mode' the light will go off, but there will be no thunk or change in the revs.
Its actually easier to see the revs dropping back when you switch the ac off rather than see them go up when you switch it on.
Don't worry, I know I'm no substitute to TT. He's not been around for a while, I think he's like the borg, needs to regenerate before unleashing a storm of tech on us all :signLOL:
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LOL - thanks the explanation :congrats:
Dan :happy2:
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assimilate...!!! :jumpmove:
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Fitted a new Pollen filter over the weekend.....I'll let you know how it goes. Only took 10 mins to do the whole thing. The old one was such a mess, totally clogged up with leaves, twigs and what looked like dust from a vacuum cleaner..... hopefully the change to a new one will help with the misting / de-misting issue....... fingers crossed.
Update.....after a couple of weeks I can really see an improvement. Had to de-ice and de-mist this morning. The de-misting still took approx 2 mins to clear the whole screen, but this is against a 5 minute wait with the old filter...a real improvement. This clearly does make a difference. Also since changing had no ice on the inside of the windscreen. A cheap fix all round.
Cheers ! :happy2:
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I have applied Rain X Anti-Fog to the inside of the windscreen about 4 weeks ago and have not had a misted window since, very happy with it and would suggest trying it. There has not been heavy frost yet so will see how it performs then. Cheers :santa:
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I have some of this stuff en route:
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I used Rain X Anti Fog recently and think it's awful, probably worse than not using it, it may reduce the fogging a little bit but instead it makes the whole windscreen really wet which means you get horrible water marks/runs running all down the glass it actually impairs vision, glass looks so dirty when it dries up too. I think Rain X is good stuff, not impressed by this Fog X stuff though. :sad1:
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Not helping but my old Clio used to clear in about 10 seconds!!