MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: berttie21 on March 02, 2010, 08:45:48 pm
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Any info on the following will be greatly appreciated....
I currently have a Pirelli edition modified to a Revo S1 which I reverted to stock for the 1st service, I am now about to fit a TBE and Brembo brakes, this will obviously be seen at my next service, do the dealers have concern over modified cars? Also I bought mine on a VW finance deal with a final payment are the dealers who I get to service the car going to know this and again potentially lead to problems?
Cheers
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if the car is on finance its not your car until the final payment so be very careful when u mod as i know some people have been stung big money when they mod and things go wrong
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most dealers dont mind at all as long as you pay them! my current dealer part of citygate seem more than happy and actually have given me advice on new chassis mods like bushes and coilovers. tell them what youve done and im sure they will want to help. i suppose at the end of the day its your choice being your car and if you dont like the service they offer then try another VW garage if there is one locally :happy2:
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Modifying the car is not a problem. Even on Finance.
I have a MK2 Skoda Octavia vRS which is quite obviously modified (Stage 2+)
My Car has had Warranty work carried out on 4 occasions now as the Whole warranty is not affected. Only the part you replace. So for example if your ECU went balls up you would have to pay for a new one yourself as you had remapped it. Same as your turbo as your remap asks it to work harder than what the manufacturer intended. On the flip side if your AirCon compressor packed in then it would be fixed under warranty (which was one of the things i have had done) as the Remap makes foook all difference to it.
Servicing is no problem. I have even had a dealer put in My Spark Plugs (NGK Iridium) and Brake Pads (DS2500's) on my last service. On the last 2 Services the guy who did my car commented that should all come like that from the factory.
So don't worry. The only parts they wont replace under the warranty is the bits you have replaced. Servicing has nothing to do with your warranty and is not affected by Mods (even if you have free servicing)
Carl :happy2:
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Depending on the dealer they aren't as anal as they used to be.
I've had a DMF replaced under warranty on a car that is running over 350bhp! :wink:
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i agree with everyone! :happy2:
Depending on the dealer they aren't as anal as they used to be.
I've had a DMF replaced under warranty on a car that is running over 350bhp! :wink:
its about time you updated the build thread mr! :smiley:
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i agree with everyone! :happy2:
Depending on the dealer they aren't as anal as they used to be.
I've had a DMF replaced under warranty on a car that is running over 350bhp! :wink:
its about time you updated the build thread mr! :smiley:
Next week maybe! :wink: :innocent:
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I've had a DMF replaced under warranty on a car that is running over 350bhp! :wink:
ok, newbie 0'clock... DMF? :smiley:
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Skoda in Ireland have a different view. Skoda told the dealers if the car is modded turn away at the door regardless of what the fault is even if the fault is not due to modifying. Warranty void. Luckily i'm a friend of my dealer.
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I've had a DMF replaced under warranty on a car that is running over 350bhp! :wink:
ok, newbie 0'clock... DMF? :smiley:
Dual Mass Flywheel! :wink:
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I have had no problem with any VW or Audi dealer and modded cars, I never revert back to std unless I think it is going in for a particular warranty issue, (which may be affcted by the mods) then again I never flag the mods. Example, my ed30 always went in with mods unchanged for servicing and warranty work such as non working cruise. The other day the (gearbox i thought) was rumbling, oh dear warranty job, bluefin'd the map back to normal, in for warranty (turned out to be wheel bearing) all fixed, then back in with the map.
I had an experience on an A3 1.8T (chipped) when the ECU went pop, (still to this day think was the chip coming loose as was a chip replacement rather than reflash) car was towed in by Audi and courtesy car provided, new ECU fitted, old one sent off for QC / investigation purposes (I didn't say a word) never heard anything at all, (but did crap myself for a few weeks, but had car back fixed by then) needless to say it went back to tuner, I kicked up hell and got a new chip put in foc and done properly this time!
But I don't run big exhausts, intake systems, big turbo's etc when still in warranty, as soon as out of warranty, I go to town, but in warranty, discrete (maps) is the way to go.
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Have 1 dealer for servicing, and another for potentially big warranty jobs. If something major goes tits up, remove all engine mods before taking it in. Thats what I would do if I was having issues.
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Modifying the car is not a problem. Even on Finance.
....Personally I've never used 'Finance' to buy a car but I've heard of cases, depending on the particular finance deal, where someone has modified 'their' car to then be hit with very major costs for breaking the terms of the contract.
Wasn't there a case last year over someone with a leased Cupra or similar who modded it?
People need to read the small print.
My VW dealer installed some of my earlier mods and is totally mod friendly. For servicing I now use Volkswagen Racing but I still use my dealer for things like tyres and regular inspections as VWR are 170 miles away.
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Yep someone with a Cupra got bummed up hill and down dale to the tune of £xxxx to buy themselves out of the finance deal they broke the terms of.
If they want to play dirty, they can and will.
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Modifying the car is not a problem. Even on Finance.
....Personally I've never used 'Finance' to buy a car but I've heard of cases, depending on the particular finance deal, where someone has modified 'their' car to then be hit with very major costs for breaking the terms of the contract.
Wasn't there a case last year over someone with a leased Cupra or similar who modded it?
People need to read the small print.
My VW dealer installed some of my earlier mods and is totally mod friendly. For servicing I now use Volkswagen Racing but I still use my dealer for things like tyres and regular inspections as VWR are 170 miles away.
I was talking about Personal Finance. Leasing a car is a different matter.
Carl :happy2:
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Hadn't the chap quite obviously modded the car - I mean "excessively"?
Maybe the dealership had taken exception to the chap's attitude - not saying that was the case, but *something* must have kicked off for them to play that particular hand.......
regardless of how it happened though, it DID happen. At great expense to put it all right.
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This is a seperate issue to servicing and warranty work. Servicing no issue that I see or have experienced. Warranty work, if necessary reverse mods before it goes in, but only if Mod could be argued to have caused the warranty failure.
If the car is leased or on a HP style finance package, including persnal lease contract, you DO NOT OWN IT, the finance company does, therefore you can't mod it as you are modding someone else car.
Basically same as hiring a car from Hertz for a week and modding that :laugh:
This is probably why the Seat guy got hammered. If the finance company have to repossses because you stop paying finance in their eyes it will be worth a lot less because it has been modded (will lose big value at auction) and will require remedial work to revert to standard. They will therefore have you if they find out, I suspect that the garage don't care who owns it when they service it, but they could be instructed by a lease company to alert them to mods if would alter the servicing cost, or if the lease company / finance house was VW finance??? But again I think unlikely. So if you own the car Mod away, if you don't, don't be surprised if the people who do own the car find out you have modded it then take you to the cleaners for modding their car.
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Hadn't the chap quite obviously modded the car - I mean "excessively"?
Maybe the dealership had taken exception to the chap's attitude - not saying that was the case, but *something* must have kicked off for them to play that particular hand.......
regardless of how it happened though, it DID happen. At great expense to put it all right.
It kicked off because they couldnt fix it and so took the easy route out :grin:
Dealers have been known to write off warranties for not fitting genuine VAG bulbs, or this one guy who constantly had issues with his engine cover coming off and breaking the sensor head on the HPFP.
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This is a seperate issue to servicing and warranty work. Servicing no issue that I see or have experienced. Warranty work, if necessary reverse mods before it goes in, but only if Mod could be argued to have caused the warranty failure.
If the car is leased or on a HP style finance package, including persnal lease contract, you DO NOT OWN IT, the finance company does, therefore you can't mod it as you are modding someone else car.
Basically same as hiring a car from Hertz for a week and modding that :laugh:
This is probably why the Seat guy got hammered. If the finance company have to repossses because you stop paying finance in their eyes it will be worth a lot less because it has been modded (will lose big value at auction) and will require remedial work to revert to standard. They will therefore have you if they find out, I suspect that the garage don't care who owns it when they service it, but they could be instructed by a lease company to alert them to mods if would alter the servicing cost, or if the lease company / finance house was VW finance??? But again I think unlikely. So if you own the car Mod away, if you don't, don't be surprised if the people who do own the car find out you have modded it then take you to the cleaners for modding their car.
That all depends on how much of the finance you have paid.
If you have paid more than 66% of the car off then actually even if you do stop paying it the Finance company can not reposes the car without a court order as you now hold the majority share.
Few people are in a position to buy a brand new car for cash etc so majority of us will use finance or get a second hand car within budget.
The same could be said about modifying your house then. The bank effectively owns the house until your mortgage is paid off but it doesn't stop people decorating them or adding extensions.
So TECHNICALLY speaking and if your finance company wanted to be an arse then yes they could go spaz at you modding it. But as long as you keep up the repayments i doubt they care very much.
Carl :happy2:
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@ Carl:
That's the key to it: No real problems as long as you keep up the payments. Whatever the % paid off a Court Order wouldn't necessarily be difficult to obtain and if you want to contest the issue, unfortunately the leasing/finance company has much deeper pockets than you do. But that's just the worst case scenario. We just need to be aware and make our individual decisions accordingly.
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If the car is leased or on a HP style finance package, including persnal lease contract, you DO NOT OWN IT, the finance company does, therefore you can't mod it as you are modding someone else car.
Basically same as hiring a car from Hertz for a week and modding that :laugh:
....Back in the day I hired a big Ford Grenada for a week from Hertz Heathrow. Drove up to Worcestershire to spend a weekend with friends.. Hit black ice.. Drove into a hedge to avoid a tree.. Went down a steep bank and rolled.. I just hung there in my safety belt laughing. The car was somewhat 'modified' by this event.
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All,
Many thanks for your thoughts, I have decided to go ahead with the TBE tomorrow but my concerns over any VW finanace giving me issues has lead me to get a loan and buy myself out of the finance, this has actually worked up saving me £3.5K as the VW finanace and Ballon payment worked out at 14%!! whisls the banks will loan at 8%.
Cheers
Ben
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^^^ This is why I'm about to do the same. Then once the insurance expires, I can MOD!!!
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^^^ This is why I'm about to do the same. Then once the insurance expires, I can MOD!!!
.... :party: This is going to be interesting! :party: