MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: RedRobin on March 05, 2010, 05:10:07 pm
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I'm currently needing to replace my third pair of Goodyear F1 Asymmetrics and have been very happy with them in both dry and extremely wet conditions. What I do is when the front pair get down to 2.5mm I transfer the rears to the front and buy a new pair for the rear axle. This is what I'm advised is best practice on FWD cars.
When I bought my first GY F1 Asymm pair they went on the rear and the GY F1 Directional pair moved to the front axle. This wasn't a good combination and I would find myself randomly subjected to twitches and snatching with the ESP interfering - Usually on fast sweeping bends (on B-roads!). After my initial scares and attempts to reproduce the same in order to understand what was going on and what I needed to do about it I adopted an aggressive 'fook it!' attitude, kept the throttle constant and drove through the problem. I think this problem may have arisen out of the asymmetric+directional mix but helpful as Goodyear Technical tried to be they had never tested their two products together on the same car.
So, I am now thinking of having a pair of Vredestein Ultrac Sessanta, which are asymmetric, and then my next change will result in the Vredy's all round. I used to use Vredestein when I raced bicycles and have always highly rated their rubber, though 18mm slicks with 150psi is a different ball game.
I know that winrya has the Vredy+GY Asymm mix at the moment without issues but if I do buy a pair of Vredy's it'll be the mix I use on my trackday in Nurdleburgering in April and I want to feel safe.
Has anyone got any experience or views about this combination, please?
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Get R1R's, fine i standing water, and let me put down 300ponies in first with 0 wheelspin the other day. Could hear the car components creaking away though :grin:
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If you put the New f1s on the rear and old tyres on the front this will cause the rear to be twitchy due to the fact the rears havnt bedded in propperly yet, you are probably aware of this though.
I too run F1s and have found the same, i have also replaced the rear tyres although i expect this to vanish in 1k miles or so.
I usually run Eagle f1s on all my cars im a big fan, never ran the verdis but ive heard they are good too. I also like the contact sports.
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The fact you are asking the question means you have doubts. I'd stick with same directionality/patterns, etc.
It might mean replacing four, but surely that's cheaper than retrieving a totalled car from the 'ring...?
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Get R1R's, fine i standing water, and let me put down 300ponies in first with 0 wheelspin the other day. Could hear the car components creaking away though :grin:
....You have missed the fact that I want to run the same tyres whether road or track without continually changing them.
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Get R1R's, fine i standing water, and let me put down 300ponies in first with 0 wheelspin the other day. Could hear the car components creaking away though :grin:
....You have missed the fact that I want to run the same tyres whether road or track without continually changing them.
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Whats the issue, Its a tyre just like the vred. Why would you constantly need to change r1rs?
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If you put the New f1s on the rear and old tyres on the front this will cause the rear to be twitchy due to the fact the rears havnt bedded in propperly yet, you are probably aware of this though.
I too run F1s and have found the same, i have also replaced the rear tyres although i expect this to vanish in 1k miles or so.
I usually run Eagle f1s on all my cars im a big fan, never ran the verdis but ive heard they are good too. I also like the contact sports.
....I've never had a problem with deeper treads on the rear axle. Besides, they'd be worn in before I get there.
My plan was to buy a pair of Vredestein asymmetrics not another pair of Goodyear asymmetrics. So are you suggesting I'd be better off with the newer Vreds on the front?
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i ve just been reading about the ps3 , it gets good reviews , might be worth thinking about robin :happy2:
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you might want to read the vreds thread over on scn. DjHorace for example wont be buying another set.
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Get R1R's, fine i standing water, and let me put down 300ponies in first with 0 wheelspin the other day. Could hear the car components creaking away though :grin:
....You have missed the fact that I want to run the same tyres whether road or track without continually changing them.
Whats the issue, Its a tyre just like the vred. Why would you constantly need to change r1rs?
....Because the R1R is not designed as a general purpose all year tyre AFAIK and furthermore the wear rate is (IIRC) much worse. It's doubtless a great tyre but somewhat more specialist.
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Get R1R's, fine i standing water, and let me put down 300ponies in first with 0 wheelspin the other day. Could hear the car components creaking away though :grin:
....You have missed the fact that I want to run the same tyres whether road or track without continually changing them.
Whats the issue, Its a tyre just like the vred. Why would you constantly need to change r1rs?
....Because the R1R is not designed as a general purpose all year tyre AFAIK and furthermore the wear rate is (IIRC) much worse. It's doubtless a great tyre but somewhat more specialist.
So you are after VFM....How odd :grin:
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you might want to read the vreds thread over on scn. DjHorace for example wont be buying another set.
I did a lot of research and came across the guy above but he's pretty much the only negative user i found. The americans for example are waiting 6 weeks at a time for deliveries and raving about them. I had some bad experience with ps2's and wouldn't buy them again but many think they are the best tyre out there, so you need to take alot of opinions with a pinch of salt.
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you might want to read the vreds thread over on scn. DjHorace for example wont be buying another set.
....Where abouts would that be please?
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you might want to read the vreds thread over on scn. DjHorace for example wont be buying another set.
I did a lot of research and came across the guy above but he's pretty much the only negative user i found. The americans for example are waiting 6 weeks at a time for deliveries and raving about them. I had some bad experience with ps2's and wouldn't buy them again but many think they are the best tyre out there, so you need to take alot of opinions with a pinch of salt.
....I've never been a fan of Michelins.
I certainly do need to take a lot of opinions with a pinch of salt and especially when they come from those Cupra boys.
So, are you running your Vreds on front or rear axle? Are you planning to be Vreds all round when the GY's need replacing? You're the only guy I know so far who has direct experience so I value your opinion.
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http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=229804&highlight=camskill+sessanta
I certainly do need to take a lot of opinions with a pinch of salt and especially when they come from those Cupra boys.
The badge certainly makes us inferior. :stupid:
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So you are after VFM....How odd :grin:
....You just love stirring it up don't you, Poverty.
I'm after a tyre which isn't so specialist it's going to need often replacing. I only do a few track days a year (quality ones though) and most of my mileage is 'fast road' all year round (except snow).
Thanks for the link btw :happy2:
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I certainly do need to take a lot of opinions with a pinch of salt and especially when they come from those Cupra boys.
The badge certainly makes us inferior. :stupid:
....I don't see you, or your cars, as inferior but some of you have far too much attitude for my liking.
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I certainly do need to take a lot of opinions with a pinch of salt and especially when they come from those Cupra boys.
The badge certainly makes us inferior. :stupid:
....I don't see you, or your cars, as inferior but some of you have far too much attitude for my liking.
We like to push things to the limit :jumping:
So you are after VFM....How odd :grin:
....You just love stirring it up don't you, Poverty.
I'm after a tyre which isn't so specialist it's going to need often replacing. I only do a few track days a year (quality ones though) and most of my mileage is 'fast road' all year round (except snow).
Thanks for the link btw :happy2:
Well after you were constantly deriding VFM, and now wanting VFM on something that is relatively cheap compared to a new car, its obvious it would have cropped up in conversation at some point, and it just happened to be me.
How often do you find yourself buying new tyres btw?
This might be of interest to some who wont be reading the scn thread.
EVO and their result:
1) Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric
2) Vredestein Ultrac Sessanta
3) Continental Contisport Contact 3
4) Bridgestone Potenza RE050-A
5) Michelin Pilot Sport PS2
6) Pirelli PZero Nero
7) Kumho Ecsta STP KU31
8) Dunlop Sport Maxx
9) Yokohama S.Drive
Autocar and their result:
1) Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric
2) Michelin Pilot Sport PS2
3) Bridgestone Potenza RE050-A
4) Continental Contisport Contact 3
5) Pirelli PZero Nero / Rosso
Autocar Videos - Autocar.co.uk (http://"http://www.autocar.co.uk/VideosWallpapers/Videos.aspx?AR=228551&Mode=B")
Tire track and their result:
1. Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric
2. Michelin Pilot Sport PS2
3. Continental ContiSportContact 3
4. Bridgestone Potenza RE050A
Autobild and their result:
1. Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric
2. Hankook ventus V12 evo
3. Pirelli P Zero Nero
4. Dunlop SP Sport Maxx
5. Contintenal Sportcontact 3
6. Michelin Pilot exalto 2
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simple answer RR, and IMHO, is do not mix and match brands / type of tyre on a car- period!
each brand / type of tyre has its own handling/driving characteristics. No wonder your car handled "funny" when you had Directionals / Asymmetrics.
If you want to change brands or tread type, change all 4 at same time.
You're asking for trouble otherwise if you want to do what you're suggesting in your first post.
IMO.
just to add what i tend to do is swap them round before they get too low..so get all 4 tyres to wear down to 2mm at around same time. Then i change all 4 to different brand / type if need be.
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^^^ 100% agree with you Lee :happy2:
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i Had a full set of the vredestiens and tbh thought they were pretty good, fronts lasted about 8k and rears are still on heading up to 16k+ (well one of them is anyway, had a couple of nails in the other) :sad1:.
Will probably try out goodyear f1's next, but at the momment i have 3 different sets of tyre on and its a big no no, very twitchy especially in these kind of wet, cold greasy roads.
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you might want to read the vreds thread over on scn. DjHorace for example wont be buying another set.
I did a lot of research and came across the guy above but he's pretty much the only negative user i found. The americans for example are waiting 6 weeks at a time for deliveries and raving about them. I had some bad experience with ps2's and wouldn't buy them again but many think they are the best tyre out there, so you need to take alot of opinions with a pinch of salt.
....I've never been a fan of Michelins.
I certainly do need to take a lot of opinions with a pinch of salt and especially when they come from those Cupra boys.
So, are you running your Vreds on front or rear axle? Are you planning to be Vreds all round when the GY's need replacing? You're the only guy I know so far who has direct experience so I value your opinion.
I always run my new tyres on the front axle, I know people often say thats the wrong way round but as i find the gti setup so safe, oversteer doesnt worry me and I've never had it step out on me. I find greater value to be had from the massive increase in grip new tyres give you when putting the power down. I can't feel any difference between a rear tyre running 9mm or 2mm!
So Robin, yes I'm running the vreds on the front and the goodyears on the back which literally have a few weeks left. Making comparisons between them is really difficult to be honest.
What I'm certain of;
-The vreds have a stiffer sidewall so feel a bit sharper in the bend and have a less floaty feel when making tiny adjustments when driving straight. The downside is that the ride feels a little bit firmer than on the f1's.
-The F1's have a much bigger rim protector. I know people often don't see the benefit but ive caught my back tyre twice in the last 12 months and I'm certain that with the vreds on i would have damaged the rim.
-The F1's were great in the wet after a few miles, the vreds are perfect from the minute you pull away.
-In the snow and Ice they are worlds apart, my GTI has struck fear into me everytime I've attempted to drive in the snow previously, this winter however its turned out the gti is really very good with these tyres. I had to turn around trying to drive up my estate last feb in snow, this year I was driving normally past other stuck cars.
-Road noise seems reduced on the vreds but 9mm tread tyres will always sound quieter than worn tyres.
-Wear rate seems similar so far.
I have a new pair of vreds already waiting to be fitted. The new ones will go on the front with the older vreds being moved to the back. I have probably done 3k on them so far.
Here's a poor quality pic of mine showing the strange (but cool) looking Giugiaro design tread pattern
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fe58%2Fwinrya%2FIMG_0408.jpg&hash=c2b81f91043f0a079548aca4e4e23fb97e85e947)
Hope this helps a bit,
Ryan
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@ Poverty:
I was deriding VFM in a totally different context (buying the Golf R). Even now re tyres, I'm not being principally led by VFM - It's just you jumping on every opportunity. Yes you do push things to the limit - Not wise IMO.
Anyway, your posted list of review conclusions is useful and certainly favours the GY F1 Asymm, so I might stay with it - I'm not unhappy with them in the slightest, wet or dry.
Over on SCN it seems DJHorace is the only unhappy one with the Vreds and he seems mostly driven by his desire to clock high rolling-road numbers:
I am bummed I bought 4 of the Sessantas to be honest for the reasons I posted above, especially because I wont get a proper r/r reading out of them until I change to something that does not spin on the rollers - like F1 Assymetrics.
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Get R1R's, fine i standing water, and let me put down 300ponies in first with 0 wheelspin the other day. Could hear the car components creaking away though :grin:
....You have missed the fact that I want to run the same tyres whether road or track without continually changing them.
Whats the issue, Its a tyre just like the vred. Why would you constantly need to change r1rs?
....Because the R1R is not designed as a general purpose all year tyre AFAIK and furthermore the wear rate is (IIRC) much worse. It's doubtless a great tyre but somewhat more specialist.
I have just ordered R1R for summer use, after reading about how you enjoy your car on b-roads and an occational trackday you would fully appreciate the R1R as it's made for those people enjoying every mile they drive in their car; RR just buy a set winter wheels, with this global warming giving cold winters like this one you will appreciate the summer/winter combo :happy2:
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simple answer RR, and IMHO, is do not mix and match brands / type of tyre on a car- period!
each brand / type of tyre has its own handling/driving characteristics. No wonder your car handled "funny" when you had Directionals / Asymmetrics.
If you want to change brands or tread type, change all 4 at same time.
You're asking for trouble otherwise if you want to do what you're suggesting in your first post.
IMO.
just to add what i tend to do is swap them round before they get too low..so get all 4 tyres to wear down to 2mm at around same time. Then i change all 4 to different brand / type if need be.
....Good advice and what my gut feeling has been telling me. However, it's good to keep an open mind and hear what other people think.
Thanks :happy2:
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this youtube vid is quite an interesting watch
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much as I love PS2's and personally would go PS3,
I feel F1 Assymetrics may be the best choice for you :happy2:
for the Vred. both djhorace and Saint Steve have mentioned wheelspin on the rollers which IMO just shouldnt happen. (at these levels of power)
for me this indicates they are too hard a compound and may catch you out unawares ......
2p.
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@ Poverty:
I was deriding VFM in a totally different context (buying the Golf R). Even now re tyres, I'm not being principally led by VFM - It's just you jumping on every opportunity. Yes you do push things to the limit - Not wise IMO.
Anyway, your posted list of review conclusions is useful and certainly favours the GY F1 Asymm, so I might stay with it - I'm not unhappy with them in the slightest, wet or dry.
Over on SCN it seems DJHorace is the only unhappy one with the Vreds and he seems mostly driven by his desire to clock high rolling-road numbers:
I am bummed I bought 4 of the Sessantas to be honest for the reasons I posted above, especially because I wont get a proper r/r reading out of them until I change to something that does not spin on the rollers - like F1 Assymetrics.
That's strange!!
I have Vred's on my car and have no issues getting decent dyno results :laugh:
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Robin,
Use what you were happy with at the last 'Ring trip. :happy2:
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Robin,
Use what you were happy with at the last 'Ring trip. :happy2:
....Yup, I've decided now: Stick with my GY F1 Asymmetrics - If it works don't mend it and they were faultless over a 15 lap session at Spa in the wet with ESP off and an enthusiastic instructor in the passenger seat!
Thanks everyone! :drinking: [Poverty included :wink:]
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@ Poverty:I was deriding VFM in a totally different context (buying the Golf R). Even now re tyres, I'm not being principally led by VFM - It's just you jumping on every opportunity. Yes you do push things to the limit - Not wise IMO.
Anyway, your posted list of review conclusions is useful and certainly favours the GY F1 Asymm, so I might stay with it - I'm not unhappy with them in the slightest, wet or dry.Over on SCN it seems DJHorace is the only unhappy one with the Vreds and he seems mostly driven by his desire to clock high rolling-road numbers:
I am bummed I bought 4 of the Sessantas to be honest for the reasons I posted above, especially because I wont get a proper r/r reading out of them until I change to something that does not spin on the rollers - like F1 Assymetrics.
That's strange!!I have Vred's on my car and have no issues getting decent dyno results :laugh:
no issues with my vreds. im presuming he is into traffic light gran prix's if he has done his tyres in in a few thousand miles. i still have about 5mm or treard left on them after about 8K and that includes about alot of laps of the ring
but i do agree with hurdy. use the tyres you are happy with. if you were happy with your F1's id see no reason to swap
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That's strange!!
I have Vred's on my car and have no issues getting decent dyno results :laugh:
Yes but you take half the peeps at the meet out on a death trip. :scared: :grin:
So your tyres are smoking by the time you get on the rollers. :wink:
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That's strange!!
I have Vred's on my car and have no issues getting decent dyno results :laugh:
Yes but you take half the peeps at the meet out on a death trip. :scared: :grin:
So your tyres are smoking by the time you get on the rollers. :wink:
True, true, but no-ones died yet :laugh:
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....I've never had a problem with deeper treads on the rear axle. Besides, they'd be worn in before I get there.
My plan was to buy a pair of Vredestein asymmetrics not another pair of Goodyear asymmetrics. So are you suggesting I'd be better off with the newer Vreds on the front?
Its not the fact that the treads are deeper, the New rubber needs to be scrubed in before it works properly, it will make a differance to grip when this is complete, ive always noticed a definate improvement in grip after a few miles on new tyres,
Ive also read a few places that people reccon the new assymetrics need more bedding than the previous gsd3s.
Im not recommending you buy the vredesteins for the front, just give them some time to bed in if the rears are new, if the tyres are not new and have already done a few miles, im not sure whats up.
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i'm torn between the F1's and the Vrdies, i've always used the goodyears in the past and i'm sure thats the way to go, but the ultras look good and are cheap enough to allow me to use them just for summer and buy a winter set for the winter. If track use is your thing I would have thought you would be better off buying a more track orientaited tyre although i'd never go for toyo after a bad experience but thats just my opinion.
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i'm torn between the F1's and the Vrdies, i've always used the goodyears in the past and i'm sure thats the way to go, but the ultras look good and are cheap enough to allow me to use them just for summer and buy a winter set for the winter. If track use is your thing I would have thought you would be better off buying a more track orientaited tyre although i'd never go for toyo after a bad experience but thats just my opinion.
....A road legal tyre such as the R1R, as Poverty suggests, is obviously a good choice for trackdays and one option is to have an extra set of alloys with different rubber but that option isn't practical for me. Besides, my prime car use is 'fast road' and perhaps only 2 or 3 trackdays per year (all in Europe and none in the UK so far). I'm not confident that R1R's or similar would offer what the asymmetric Goodyears have already demonstrated to me. Yes, the R1R's would be faster but I'm not chasing lap times.
We each modify, or not, our 'chariots' differently. For me, I want to keep the comfort of the Golf and not have to keep swapping things around such as tyres or brake pads - I'd rather settle on one setup which suits everything I do. My Recaros, and not a track bucket seat, is a good example: Very supportive for both fast road use and occasional track days or the Nurdleburgering. Same with my suspension: One setup which works allround. You could say that such an approach is a compromise and isn't milking the max, but it suits me.
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robin , read the ps 3 report in this months audi driver ,they sound pretty impressive :happy2:
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Ive just put 2 new assys on my rears as i needed 2 new tyres,i thought about vrdies but to be honest i have goodyear eagle f1's on my 17" alloys and i really like them so for me the choice was obvious when it came 2 2 new tyres for my interlagos :happy2:
scott
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i'm torn between the F1's and the Vrdies, i've always used the goodyears in the past and i'm sure thats the way to go, but the ultras look good and are cheap enough to allow me to use them just for summer and buy a winter set for the winter. If track use is your thing I would have thought you would be better off buying a more track orientaited tyre although i'd never go for toyo after a bad experience but thats just my opinion.
....A road legal tyre such as the R1R, as Poverty suggests, is obviously a good choice for trackdays and one option is to have an extra set of alloys with different rubber but that option isn't practical for me. Besides, my prime car use is 'fast road' and perhaps only 2 or 3 trackdays per year (all in Europe and none in the UK so far). I'm not confident that R1R's or similar would offer what the asymmetric Goodyears have already demonstrated to me. Yes, the R1R's would be faster but I'm not chasing lap times.
We each modify, or not, our 'chariots' differently. For me, I want to keep the comfort of the Golf and not have to keep swapping things around such as tyres or brake pads - I'd rather settle on one setup which suits everything I do. My Recaros, and not a track bucket seat, is a good example: Very supportive for both fast road use and occasional track days or the Nurdleburgering. Same with my suspension: One setup which works allround. You could say that such an approach is a compromise and isn't milking the max, but it suits me.
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The out of the factory comfort of the Golf is severely compromised by fitting mounts, heavily modded suspension, intakes etc, is it not?
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The out of the factory comfort of the Golf is severely compromised by fitting mounts, heavily modded suspension, intakes etc, is it not?
Not if done right. The stock suspension is crashy over uneven surfaces. An aftermarket suspension with adjustable damping can be much smoother and more comfortable. Engine mounts will give more NVH, but it doesn't upset suspension and in fact I've found that it helps with the feel of the car. An intake will compromise NVH unless you go for something like a Carbonio. :happy2:
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We each modify, or not, our 'chariots' differently. For me, I want to keep the comfort of the Golf and not have to keep swapping things around such as tyres or brake pads - I'd rather settle on one setup which suits everything I do. My Recaros, and not a track bucket seat, is a good example: Very supportive for both fast road use and occasional track days or the Nurdleburgering. Same with my suspension: One setup which works allround. You could say that such an approach is a compromise and isn't milking the max, but it suits me.
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The out of the factory comfort of the Golf is severely compromised by fitting mounts, heavily modded suspension, intakes etc, is it not?
....Yes and no, my friend.
Yes: Out of factory comfort is certainly compromised but your use of the word "severely" suggests a strong negative. I already know from your previous posts that such mods as aftermarket mounts and suspension constitute a severe compromise as far as your own car and preference is concerned and I do respect that. But in this case what is a severe compromise to comfort for your good self is an enhancement or improvement for me - I simply love the more tactile feedback and sounds and I also fully appreciate that an ex-factory production car would not be so attractive to the masses other than how they are. Most people want a quiet and caccooned smoothness but I actually feel less comfortable driving such cars - I use the term "comfortable" to mean happy and more in control rather than a degree of luxury. I find it a bit strange that some people expect that luxury feel of a large limo such as a big Audi in a hatchback Golf anyway.
To me, my modified car is very comfortable - I've been able to modify the factory car to what suits me better. Stripping it out or changing the seats might compromise what I find comfortable.. possibly.
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ok, just get confused by the use of the word 'comfort' by you, after your multiple posts about focused fast road/track orientated cars, which I think you car is heading towards, given the state of the UK road, and such things as speed humps, car park entrances, cambers etc.
Just got a touch confused there. Perhaps focused would be a better choice of term?
FWIW I found the old F1's a cracking tyre, my brother however has the assymetrics on his car, and will be changing to PS2/3 next time. He found the GY Assy to be a poor tyre, will quiz him on why.
Just to add, after a long haul VWR are taking my car away to sort the diff out, and I have refused the Red Golf. I just don't like it. I don't find it comfortable at all, or I didn't last time I had it.
It is probably perfect for the track, not for the road.
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I tmight be worth also noting that I was a hard goodyear eagle f1 assy devout. Im now running toyo r1rs as a everyday tyre, and I have to say that as long as the temp isnt stone cold, the r1rs are out performing the eagle f1s in every situation at the moment.
More steering feel, more dry and wet grip, more predictable, tried to get them to aquaplane but they handled the massive puddles and standing water fine.
However on greasy roads where the temp is around 1 degrees or less they are dogs. But for summer duty they are the number 1 tyre imo to run everyday.
Will run R1R's in the summer, and either vreds or f1 assys in the winter.
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ok, just get confused by the use of the word 'comfort' by you, after your multiple posts about focused fast road/track orientated cars, which I think you car is heading towards, given the state of the UK road, and such things as speed humps, car park entrances, cambers etc.
Just got a touch confused there. Perhaps focused would be a better choice of term?
FWIW I found the old F1's a cracking tyre, my brother however has the assymetrics on his car, and will be changing to PS2/3 next time. He found the GY Assy to be a poor tyre, will quiz him on why.
....Yes, "focussed" is a good term. Where my car is compromised is speed humps: I just have to take them very slowly indeed but that's what they're there for and I don't mind. Car parks: I can't risk most ramps in most indoor carparks but I always manage to park somewhere. Cambers? if you mean like the Ring's Karussell, no problem; If you mean like a farm track with a raised centre, yes a big problem. But am I bothered? No, I just accept the compromises and enjoy what she does well.
I'd love to hear what your bro didn't like about the GY Asymm. I liked the GY F1 Eagle directional too.
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However on greasy roads where the temp is around 1 degrees or less they are dogs. But for summer duty they are the number 1 tyre imo to run everyday.
....The greasy dogs bit is what kills it for me. In the UK, any day can serve you a greasy road. But I can see why one solution is to do what you are doing.
This thread has shown me what I thought: Best to either change all 4 tyres or continue with a pair of GY Asymms. I'll continue with a pair of GY Asymms this time.
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However on greasy roads where the temp is around 1 degrees or less they are dogs. But for summer duty they are the number 1 tyre imo to run everyday.
....The greasy dogs bit is what kills it for me. In the UK, any day can serve you a greasy road. But I can see why one solution is to do what you are doing.
This thread has shown me what I thought: Best to either change all 4 tyres or continue with a pair of GY Asymms. I'll continue with a pair of GY Asymms this time.
The assys, are a good tyre, although they didnt make as much of a differnce to my leon as the GSD3 f1s did to my ibiza. Obviously its hard to compare, but the GSD3' just stuck to the road like glue, but it could be down to the fact that the ibiza weighed around 1100kg and had 205/45/17s as std.
I think the greasy roads in the summer wont hinder the r1rs, however a greasy road when its cold outside does, because you can never carry enough speed to get any heat into the tyres. Although they are dogs in the cold, they are super predictable and communicative so you know where the limits are till the nose starts to push wide.
Jurys out on how long these tyres will last, my f1s usually manage 4000 miles on the front of spirited driving.
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I think the greasy roads in the summer wont hinder the r1rs, however a greasy road when its cold outside does, because you can never carry enough speed to get any heat into the tyres. Although they are dogs in the cold, they are super predictable and communicative so you know where the limits are till the nose starts to push wide.
....I think I should perhaps shortlist the R1R's for my consideration next time. I have the advantage of a TyreSure monitor which updates itself every 5 seconds - A very useful gizmo even for just everyday use and very reassuring.
I think it's definitely true that some tyres suit some cars better than others.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FRedRobin_05%2FMods%2FTyreSure_temp.jpg&hash=0597bb130e33b5ce6a46268fb9db8d6bb771cfeb)
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I think the greasy roads in the summer wont hinder the r1rs, however a greasy road when its cold outside does, because you can never carry enough speed to get any heat into the tyres. Although they are dogs in the cold, they are super predictable and communicative so you know where the limits are till the nose starts to push wide.
....I think I should perhaps shortlist the R1R's for my consideration next time. I have the advantage of a TyreSure monitor which updates itself every 5 seconds - A very useful gizmo even for just everyday use and very reassuring.
I think it's definitely true that some tyres suit some cars better than others.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FRedRobin_05%2FMods%2FTyreSure_temp.jpg&hash=0597bb130e33b5ce6a46268fb9db8d6bb771cfeb)
hmm why not just have the tps system that comes standard, it seems to work, ok it doesn't notify you of small changes in pressure but does let you know when they drop a little too much, mine works well enough and is standard fit isn't it?
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you might want to read the vreds thread over on scn. DjHorace for example wont be buying another set.
Link please ??
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you might want to read the vreds thread over on scn. DjHorace for example wont be buying another set.
Link please ??
....Link posted in earlier reply:
http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=229804&highlight=camskill+sessanta
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Cheers Robin :drinking:
Seems as if Djhorace is the only person that doesnt like them. Lots of praise from lots of fellow forum users.
I still rate them very highly, even though they may appear to take longer to put heat into them, or perhaps a harder compound then the Ps3's, but on the + side, they wont wear out as fast i guess.
Im not a bhp big number hunter, but on the roads have had no issues with handling whatsoever.
Will be keeping with these for the time being.
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hmm why not just have the tps system that comes standard, it seems to work, ok it doesn't notify you of small changes in pressure but does let you know when they drop a little too much, mine works well enough and is standard fit isn't it?
....IMO there's absolutely no comparison - It's like the difference between eating chalk and cheese.
The oem TPS system on the Golf merely informs you of a loss of tyre pressure (if you remember to reset it everytime you top up) and crucially doesn't tell you in which tyre a loss of pressure occurs. Neither does it tell you what your pressures actually are.
Not only does the TyreSure display the exact pressure (psi or bar) in each tyre and update it every 5 seconds but if there is a pressure loss you'll know which tyre. Furthermore, tyre temperatures (Cº or Fº) are similarly displayed and the unit will automatically toggle between temp and pressure. The temp is less critical for road use but still educational and particularly useful if running on say R1R's or R888's I reckon.
I accept of course that some people prefer their car to look oem but I ask myself which is more important: The info displayed to the driver or having an oem look?
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Hi Guys
I'm still unlucky enough to be on my original Dunlop Sport Maxx tyres after 3 years and 15000 miles . MoT'd yesterday and told tyres need changing soon :). With a stage 1 Revo I' m getting wheelspin(in the wet/damp) in 1/2/3 gears .When i change to VRED ULTRAC SESSANTA or F1 ASYMMETRICS (not decided yet), I presume I will notice an improvement in traction , handling and reduced wheelspin ?
It doesn't sound as if there is much to choose betweeen them both?
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Hi Guys
I'm still unlucky enough to be on my original Dunlop Sport Maxx tyres after 3 years and 15000 miles . MoT'd yesterday and told tyres need changing soon :). With a stage 1 Revo I' m getting wheelspin(in the wet/damp) in 1/2/3 gears .When i change to VRED ULTRAC SESSANTA or F1 ASYMMETRICS (not decided yet), I presume I will notice an improvement in traction , handling and reduced wheelspin ?
It doesn't sound as if there is much to choose betweeen them both?
^^ Correct. Your Traction control light without the dunlops gets a well earned rest with both the tyres that are recommended.
My Dunlops were woeful and noisey on the road.
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Hi Guys
I'm still unlucky enough to be on my original Dunlop Sport Maxx tyres after 3 years and 15000 miles . MoT'd yesterday and told tyres need changing soon :). With a stage 1 Revo I' m getting wheelspin(in the wet/damp) in 1/2/3 gears .When i change to VRED ULTRAC SESSANTA or F1 ASYMMETRICS (not decided yet), I presume I will notice an improvement in traction , handling and reduced wheelspin ?
It doesn't sound as if there is much to choose betweeen them both?
....A Warm Welcome to the forum, truegrit :drinking:
I haven't tried the Vredesteins but I think it's fairly safe to say that there isn't a huge difference between them and Goodyear Asymmetrics. Asymmetric tyres have some significant benefits over directionals according to most reports.
I haven't tried Dunlops on the GTI - They don't have a great reputation!
As to whether they will cure your wheelspin or not, it's not an easy question to answer as there are several factors as well as tyres. The biggest factor is how you use your right foot. Progressive throttle feed is the way forward. Suspension and engine mounts also contribute.
If your MOT is telling you you need new tyres soon, then obviously your grip levels will be reduced.
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How many miles are people getting out of the GYs on the front wheels?
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How many miles are people getting out of the GYs on the front wheels?
....It really will depend on where and how you drive in a given period. I've never bothered to register the mileage though I expect it will be on the paperwork. I reckon 10k is the minimum and 20k the max I have got out of GY Asymm's but I tend to change when they approach 2.5mm.
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Hmm, I'm changing the F1 asym after about 25.000km (5 laps on Nurburgring + many hundred of km driven hard on mountain roads). I now have about 2-3mm left but I'm changing them because, due to the very hard coilovers and small tire size/height (235/35/19), the tyre developped cracks where the horisontal side meets the vertical side (the "corner" of the tire). Don't know the exact word in english for that but hopefully I made myself understood !
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Quick question related to this thread:
Will mixing directional and asymmetic tyres on different axles cause a problem?
Thanks.
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Quick question related to this thread:
Will mixing directional and asymmetic tyres on different axles cause a problem?
Thanks.
....I'm assuming you mean a matching pair of directionals on one axle and a matching pair of asymmetrics on the other axle.
The answer is yes. I experienced random twitchiness and snatching and ESP kicking in. This would only happen on fast sweeping bends in my case but it was very unnerving. I could drive through it but it's not what you want to feel at high speed on a B-road.
Both pairs were Goodyear and their tech dept thought it was due to differences in tyre wall stiffness but they had never tested their tyres together in that combination.
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Effectivly they are both differant tyres, so basically you are mixing two differant tyre types offering two differant grip levels which is not idea. personally i wouldnt bother as long as the correct tyres are are on the same axel and offer simelar grip levels through driver " feel " . like i said its not ideal so what ever you do is up to you. !
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Hi there Robin, I know that this is way off-topic, but as I have not been on the forum very often a lately :ashamed: I am unaware of the ring trip in April.
Is everyone still going in May on the Worthersee/Ring trip? or has this now been changed around?
Many thanks. :smiley:
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Hi there Robin, I know that this is way off-topic, but as I have not been on the forum very often a lately :ashamed: I am unaware of the ring trip in April.
Is everyone still going in May on the Worthersee/Ring trip? or has this now been changed around?
Many thanks. :smiley:
....Hi Monte,
The trip Hurdy and I are going to in April is a private trackday and totally independent of any Ring/Worthersee trip organised on this forum. I haven't noticed anything posted about that trip recently but expect that it will go ahead.
It's all in the Shows, Meets, Events section.
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Thanks Robin :smiley:
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I am also going to the ring on 28th april - 2nd may !