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Title: Rear Caliper Carriage Bolts
Post by: rubdub on May 31, 2020, 10:18:44 pm
Hey guys,

Was changing my rear pads, discs and a binding caliper today. However got stopped in my tracks due to a couple of bitch tight carriage bolts. Dripping in WD40 and hanging out of them with a small breaker bar, but nothing. Hoping to get an impact gun to them tomorrow to get them off.

My question is, should these bolts be replaced? I read on Pelican Parts that they need to be replaced, but read in a couple of posts here of people re-using them.

Would be great to get a general consensus on what people think? and if they need to be replaced, does anyone have the part number for them?

Cheers!
Title: Re: Rear Caliper Carriage Bolts
Post by: rich83 on May 31, 2020, 10:43:00 pm
I have reused my original bolts and they have been off 3/4 times.... no issues......... yet.....
Title: Re: Rear Caliper Carriage Bolts
Post by: titchy on June 01, 2020, 09:06:29 am
I always used the old ones with a dab of thread lock
Title: Re: Rear Caliper Carriage Bolts
Post by: rubdub on June 01, 2020, 09:12:51 am
Thanks lads! Biggest struggle is getting them off!

It's a bank holiday over here in Ireland - so still a bit early to properly bust out the impact gun! But the things seem to be welded on!  :fighting:
Title: Re: Rear Caliper Carriage Bolts
Post by: terrier on June 01, 2020, 10:57:11 am
There a real pain to remove unless you get more movement with a breaker bar from underneath.
  iirc M14  I changed all front and rear for  stainless allen head bolts which I borrowed from work  :innocent:
Title: Re: Rear Caliper Carriage Bolts
Post by: LC5F on June 01, 2020, 01:05:26 pm
I would be happy to re-use existing bolts if they are in good condition.
Remember Pelican are an American site, they have to cover their arse to avoid litigation - so they just say replace

I changed all front and rear for  stainless allen head bolts

um, fella are you sure that's a good idea?
Caliper bolts are 10.9 tensile strength, the best stainless A4-80 is 20% lower tensile strength and their yield is a third lower:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.volksbolts.com%2Ffaq%2Ftable1.gif&hash=2809220e7d30764f83e0988d19f169fdfb760ec8)

Swapping for stainless would be fine on less mission critical items, but not brakes.
Title: Re: Rear Caliper Carriage Bolts
Post by: terrier on June 01, 2020, 01:28:51 pm
 :scared: Rethink required.  Sound info. Thank you :happy2:
Title: Re: Rear Caliper Carriage Bolts
Post by: rubdub on June 01, 2020, 03:58:44 pm
Just to make sure I'm doing it right... looking at the back of the carrier.. it's lefty loosey.. right??  :grin:
Title: Re: Rear Caliper Carriage Bolts
Post by: titchy on June 01, 2020, 04:24:44 pm
anti clockwise slackens
Title: Re: Rear Caliper Carriage Bolts
Post by: omeydz on June 01, 2020, 10:06:49 pm
There a real pain to remove unless you get more movement with a breaker bar from underneath.
  iirc M14.  I changed all front and rear for  stainless allen head bolts which I borrowed from work  :innocent:

Good idea! Rear carrier bolts are a pig if they not been off in ages. think i even used a flexi joint to crack it and get the purchase - try not to round off the spline head!
Title: Re: Rear Caliper Carriage Bolts
Post by: agmac on June 02, 2020, 06:32:24 pm
Just done this job myself with car on axle stands. Get a good M14 x 12 spline socket and a 3ft bar on the socket and they loosen with a crack. Check the dust plates / splashers when you are at it as dead easy to change when carrier is off. One side had gone on my Ed30 and the other was about to so changed them both.
Title: Re: Rear Caliper Carriage Bolts
Post by: rubdub on June 03, 2020, 07:17:30 am
If i change one of the rear calipers, do I have to bleed all 4 brakes or just the new one?
Title: Re: Rear Caliper Carriage Bolts
Post by: titchy on June 03, 2020, 08:45:48 am
If you clamp the flexi you just bleed the side or sides your working on but if you haven't changed the fluid nows the time
Title: Re: Rear Caliper Carriage Bolts
Post by: rubdub on June 03, 2020, 09:33:44 am
Yeah didn't clamp the caliper at the time... so may as well change the fluid.

As long as I don't let the reservoir empty I won't need to do a VCDS reset right?
Title: Re: Rear Caliper Carriage Bolts
Post by: carsten on June 03, 2020, 01:59:51 pm
As long as I don't let the reservoir empty I won't need to do a VCDS reset right?

Correct.
Title: Re: Rear Caliper Carriage Bolts
Post by: Lewo on June 04, 2020, 10:30:33 pm
Isn't it worth using VCDS or similar to purge the ABS when doing a bleed?