Post by: slynch23 on June 18, 2020, 07:14:11 pm
Considering getting my car remapped and just wondering if anyone on here has had a map for years and not had any issues? If I do go for it it’ll probably have to be an APR map as I can get that done locally, would be concerned about going to r tech in case I had to return as it’s 150 miles away. Has anyone got any feedback on the APR maps? Also, my car is on just under 110k, would I need a new clutch before getting it remapped?
Post by: rich83 on June 18, 2020, 07:29:47 pm
Post by: slynch23 on June 18, 2020, 07:42:43 pm
Post by: imprezzaworks on June 18, 2020, 08:42:56 pm
Post by: Jb55 on June 18, 2020, 09:56:32 pm
Post by: slynch23 on June 18, 2020, 10:40:49 pm
Post by: titchy on June 19, 2020, 09:09:41 am
Post by: john_o on June 19, 2020, 10:38:17 am
If you are K04 with manual , start saving for a clutch.
Is it ok just now in terms of feel and when you slip on a hill ? full throttle at 2700 rpm in 6th etc? Even so its not really an indicator if it will or wont slip.
You might get away at Stage 1 without it for a while but it will eventually slip (i got over 80k miles out of a clutch with various stage 1 maps in my previous Ed30)
It you go to RTech they also would be able to further reduce the boost and ramp levels to prolong the life of it.
Its also how you drive it post map.
Take the chance go for it, you might be lucky and get away with it (if not you have a choice to back out or go all in) and these cars with K04 were just meant to be mapped it s a different car.
Having a K04 and keeping it stock imo is a crime, so much untapped potential.
Post by: slynch23 on June 19, 2020, 03:41:53 pm
Post by: ROH ECHT on June 19, 2020, 04:24:46 pm
If an APR dealer is closest to you...just do that. Custom tuning can often push bits to their limits. APR's tunes are in many cars and tunes are revised and updated up to now. Given they've been doing the tunes for these for 15 years now, and had a successful MK5 GTI racing team, you will be getting a reliable tune from them with free future updates. I've had GIAC tunes on mine for over 12 years now for the same reason. Techtonics Tuning is a GIAC dealer and are just 20 minutes away. The only tune that caused my car issues was a tune I ran from 2013 to 2015. It was a custom e-tune by DM (Driver Motorsport). It pushed the fueling and boost more than my GIAC tune did and I had to rebuild my engine in 2015. So I went back to my GIAC tune. Funny thing was was the DM couldn't beat my GIAC 1/4m ET even though it was supposedly 30 more HP.
Post by: pudding on June 19, 2020, 04:32:27 pm
Even for stage 1, you may also need a HPFP as well.
Going with the best prices around at the moment, that's £860 for the Helix + DMF kit and another £250ish for the VIS pump internals. Plus labour if you can't fit the parts yourself. Looking at 4-5 hours book time for the clutch.
On top of that, you will also need all of the stretch bolts for the engine mounts, flywheel etc etc. And if the engine is getting on a bit, a rear main crank seal a wise move, and that's another £100 + £33 for the VW sealant.
So yes, think wisely about where you want go with your car :wink:
My ED30 has been remapped nearly all of it's life. Currently on 144K and the engine is still strong as an Ox. It's sh*t maps that kill engines, not remaps per se.
Some due diligence is required with the maintenance before even considering a remap. Knackered injectors, weak MAFs, clogged oil pick ups, worn chains etc etc. Get all of that sorted first.
Post by: slynch23 on June 19, 2020, 05:27:56 pm
Post by: pudding on June 19, 2020, 05:41:46 pm
My ED30 was £9K when I bought it 6 years ago, so it was still worth a chunk, so I didn't mind sinking a bit of investment into the toys. If I picked a scruffy one up now for £4K ish, I don't think I'd bother either :grin:
That said, the MK5 is a bloody riot with the right mods :happy2: Can't always think of it as a loss of money, but rather a gain in fun factor!
Post by: slynch23 on June 19, 2020, 07:17:06 pm
Post by: ROH ECHT on June 20, 2020, 01:57:47 am
I’m 30, so it won’t increase massively but it will go up. I’ve put so much time, money and effort into my car I’d be terrified of something being put under too much strain from a map and then breaking etc... or worse, pumping all that money into the car and then something catastrophic happening like head gasket going 😬After all the time some of us have spent on these MK5 forums, I myself cannot remember any head gaskets going. Also, APR has a Stage 1 'Low Torque' tune (https://www.goapr.com/products/ecu_upgrade_20tfsi_trans.html) so the torque spike is flattened and no mods are needed. All for safety and elimination of concerns. A perfect tune for waking up a stock MK5 GTI without breaking the bank.
Post by: slynch23 on June 20, 2020, 09:14:07 am
Post by: pudding on June 20, 2020, 11:25:50 am
I’m 30, so it won’t increase massively but it will go up. I’ve put so much time, money and effort into my car I’d be terrified of something being put under too much strain from a map and then breaking etc... or worse, pumping all that money into the car and then something catastrophic happening like head gasket going 😬After all the time some of us have spent on these MK5 forums, I myself cannot remember any head gaskets going. Also, APR has a Stage 1 'Low Torque' tune (https://www.goapr.com/products/ecu_upgrade_20tfsi_trans.html) so the torque spike is flattened and no mods are needed. All for safety and elimination of concerns. A perfect tune for waking up a stock MK5 GTI without breaking the bank.
Very true! Head gaskets never blow on these engines.
You could try a tune and if the clutch slips, well, just think of it as sh1t happens and deal with it as an when :smiley: It's not like it slips all the time, only under hard load, which you can drive around. Everything else on the car is really strong and can handle it, it's just that VW chose to fit a weak clutch to keep the pedal effort low. It's even worse on MK7s. They can slip with stock power :doh:
You can also fit a TTRS clutch plate, GTI/diesel friction disc and a new DMF for a more OEM approach, but I keep reading about huge pedal effort with that setup, and the cost of the parts isn't far off the Helix setup......which is also heavy, but not unmanageably so. The beauty of the Helix is it's stock smooth, doesn't judder or make any nasty noises.
Post by: slynch23 on June 20, 2020, 11:34:07 am
Post by: john_o on June 20, 2020, 02:27:51 pm
Id still book into a good specialist and choose a map that can be tweaked if needed to reduce or get rid of any clutch slip if it does rear its ugly head.
Like @Pudding (https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10733) says a good once over on all the basics is your first priority, oil/filter pcv cam follower plugs coil packs fuel filter etc has it had a cam belt?
maybe even consider the bulk deal RTech offers for inlet cleaning too?
That way you get cleaning and healthcheck in am , followed by map in the pm.
Post by: slynch23 on June 20, 2020, 02:35:33 pm
Post by: andyiseddy02 on June 23, 2020, 10:02:21 pm
I don't thrash the car, I enjoy giving it the beans obviously now and again but take care with it as I want it to last. Coming up on 150k now.
Get it done :happy2:
Post by: slynch23 on June 23, 2020, 10:09:18 pm
Post by: neilw on June 24, 2020, 03:49:36 pm
I'm 36, and my insurance (Greenlight) did not change any extra going from stock to 320hp
Post by: ljc19630 on June 25, 2020, 08:00:10 am
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Post by: andyiseddy02 on June 26, 2020, 09:47:09 pm
Is that still the original clutch?As far as I know yes it is. Had the car for nearly six years and I have not had it done. I must drive like a pussy?
Only recently have I started using it every day so it has had an easy life.
Post by: probedb on June 27, 2020, 02:51:58 pm
Mine's on 172k, with the engine on about 72k and I shall be getting it mapped next year, just with the precat knocked out and a Pipercross replacement filter :)
I used to do the 300 mile round trip from Chesterfield to Newbury with my last car cos I knew the tuner was good, plus there weren't many in the UK and it wasn't a case of buying a plugin stage 1 chip.
Post by: chimp400 on June 28, 2020, 08:25:15 am
I don’t drive the car hard because the mid range performance in it is fantastic, I find it a bit too much for the public roads and gets you to silly speeds Very quickly but everyone is different.
Post by: pudding on July 04, 2020, 04:43:57 pm
Post by: rich83 on July 04, 2020, 10:56:43 pm
Agree with that. I'll give my ED30 a quick prod at 70mph to over take something and it's doing 100 in what feels like an instant. I know there are massively faster cars out there but it stills surprises me the amount of poke a 13 year old 4 pot motor has.
Yep... there are lots faster, but they are still a quick car. :driver: