MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: hufcforpromotion on January 04, 2009, 09:08:50 pm
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Hi all!
I have just got a bargin off e-bay for my wife's Touran Sport DSG. Link:- http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=280299304929 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=280299304929)
My wife's Touran allready has the multifunction wheel and hi-line comp and every other option going on her car but what I really want to know will the DSG paddles on the new wheel work or will I need to get another module to allow them to work?
Cheers John
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You might be ok John, if the car is a high spec with a MFSW already it's more likely just a swap and a tweak with the VCDS.
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how the hell did that happen? i put an 80quid bid on that last night?!
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just spoke to mike at VW speed and they dont stock any new ones now
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I'd say that guy cancelled the auction.
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hmm..probably, ive just ordered a brand new one instead. is there any other bits i need to make the buttons work?
i have a highline CECM, just wondered if id need another box of tricks from VW/a place to plug the buttons in?
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I arranged an outside of e-bay agreement with the seller! sorry!
Just out of interest how much did the brand new one cost you?
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haha...250quid!!
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Well makes mine a bargin at £110 delivered! Was too cheap to pass up! Does your car have multifunction wheel standard and have you gone for one with the dsg paddles?
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The MFSW will normally have a seperate controller inside (behind the airbag) assuming you also got the airbag then you won't need a new airbag wiring loom, if you didn't then you will!!
It's always a lottery with these wheels as it does depend on the other parts you have such as slip ring and steering controller. I would suggest you attempt the fit and if it doesn't work then you'll need to buy the slip ring and controller. Be prepared to add approx £200 to the price of the wheel (VAG RRP's) if you do need them.
If either of you are South then let me know as I have the tools etc to help you out.
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Our Touran allready has the MFSW fitted so the original airbag should just slot in place! The only thing i am not sure about is if the paddles will work with the DSG!?
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As I said above I think they will. Coding is simple if you have VCDS.
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Is the coding required to get the dsg paddles to work!? I will get Star Performance to code the wheel if needs be as I don't know anyone else up in the scotland who could do it!
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It will depend on the current coding of your controller -
http://wiki.ross-tech.com/index.php/VW_Golf_%281K%29_Steering_Wheel#Coding
If Auto Transmission is enabled then you should be ok.
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Thanks for the Info Stu! Hopefully if it does not work then should just be able to enable via vagcom!? I won't get to fit this until march as I am overseas serving in Afghanistan!
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hufcforpromotion, completely off topic, but I saw a couple of programs over the holiday about our forces serving in Afganistan and Iraq.
Bloody brave and professional lot, all of you as well as pretty mad!). Keep you head down and come home safely to your family :happy2:
Cheers
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ive not got MFSW, so i am expecting to need a new slip ring and controller etc.
Im not too worried about buying them to be honest, as im hoping to get highline running no matter what!! haha! oh and rns 510! ;)
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Right, I thought I would post my findings as I've just done the MFSW swap on my GT TDI.
Firstly, It seems that all 2005+ cars with at least the midline dash, comes with the correct slip ring so this will NOT need to be changed. If the steering wheel is being swapped without going for additional button flexibility then there is NO coding required in VCDS, just swap and drive.
If like me however, you didn't have a MFSW but are replacing the wheel with a new style one with the buttons that you want to get working, then you will deffo need a new steering wheel control module. My original module was 1K0 953 549F, which most midline cars without MFSW are supplied with. This module is not compatible with the new buttons on the wheel.
I had to change my module for the newer 1K0 953 549 AL module (at apporx £130.00) and also change to the MFSW wiring harness (that connects the airbag to the wheel - part no 1K0 971 584 C - approx £30.00). Ater a little recoding using VCDS, the MFSW works perfectly. I have volume and mute on the left side (with a currently not working phone button as I don't yet have a bluetooth kit). On the right side the buttons cycle through the MFD display on the dash etc.
One word of warning though. My car had cruise control as standard, and since fitted the new wheel it doesn't work. I have been told that it's because the AL steering control module was designed for the Highline display not midline, and that I should have used another. As I'm about to have the Hiline fitted in Feb this year, I'll live without CC for the time being and see if this brings it back on line. In the meantime, If you have CC and a midline dash, I wold suggest getting the assistance of a stealer in selecting the correct module, as at least if they get it wrong you can take it back and get them to swp it for another unit.
Hope this helps but any questions feel free to ask.
Oh, BTW many thanks to SUKH, CJ_TDI (over at UK-MKIVS) and the.ronin (over at VWVortex) for their write ups and being amongst the first brave souls to attempt this and give me some help along the way.
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549 AL supports CC so I would wonder if you've not quite got it back together correctly
Alternatively it could be incorrectly coded - Do you have VCDS?
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ive been searching al over to find a unit that supports CC
i thought it was strange for AL to not support it
there is AK now am i right? whats the difference with AK?
basically, im about to buy either AL, AK, or AQ??! boggled! :(
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btw...thanks to stu and Norbreck21a for the priceless info! :)
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i think the AK one is programmed for DSG and
AJ now AL is without DSG
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549 AL supports CC so I would wonder if you've not quite got it back together correctly
Alternatively it could be incorrectly coded - Do you have VCDS?
Hi vRStu, we must stop meeting like this... :grin:
I was surprised that it didn't work, and am pretty sure that everything went back together OK. The control module is just connected by 2 large connectors with safety clips which both snapped back into position. The board itself is fully pressed home underneath.
As to the airbag wiring, it was basically the same as the one I had with 2 exceptions. Firstly there is obviously the additional small cable and connector that goes into the bottom of the steering wheel. Then as well as the 2 black wires (one into a spade contact either side which I guess is the the horn contact?), there was an additional black and blue cable with a spade connector, which I just connected to one of the spare spade clips within the airbag unit (basically as per some of the photos put up on the forums).
I do have VCDS (legal copy), and used this to program my wheel. My old code was 0000042, and the new one 0002042 (the 2 being 3/4 Spoke Steering Wheel WITH multifunction, WITHOUT cruise control), as I was told the option 3 (which is 3/4 Spoke Steering Wheel WITH multifunction, WITH cruise control) was for US cars with the 3rd CC stalk not the one integrated into the indicator stalk as mine is.
I would really like to get this sorted, so any assitiance anyone could give would be apprecaited. I've asked Sebastian over at Ross Tech on the VAG-COM forum on VWVortex, and am currently waiting his reply ?
Cheers
Andrew
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have you not tried the coding for the us one?
is it 0003042?
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just checked my steering wheel controller. it 549 ca, so ill deffo need to change that. im expecting the slip ring to be ok tho.
im a bit put off now with the cruise issue. ill buy the AL and see how i get on
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I think 0002022.
0 - N/A
0 - Normal
0 - Manual Transmission
2 - Sports steering wheel with multifunction and without CC (In this case the CC refers to CC controls on the SW)
0 - No Tiptronic with Paddles
2 - Without Computer but with CC (what this does is transfer control of the buttons on the end of the stalk to the steering wheel.)
2 - Rear Wiper
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Oh and hi Andrew, sorry didn't mean to be rude just got suckered into trying to work out your code.
Anyway, try it and let me know.
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JP did you look here -
http://wiki.ross-tech.com/index.php/Cruise_Control_Retrofitting_%281K%29
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ye stu, thanks i checked that.
Ive bought a GTI MFSW too, as well as cruise a bit back.
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Oh and hi Andrew, sorry didn't mean to be rude just got suckered into trying to work out your code.
Anyway, try it and let me know.
Ha Ha, no worries Stu :happy2:
I'll give it a go tomorrow at work and see what happens. I'll report back. Thanks for your input.
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Stu, I tried the coding you suggested 0002022, and the cruise still doesn't work (neither does 0003042). All the coding you suggested did was remove the control for the MFD display in the dash from the end of the wiper stalk to the MFSW (right hand buttons) solely, where as before the MFD could be controlled from either the wiper stalk or MFSW (i.e. they were duplicated).
I've taken the wheel off again and checked the wiring to the airbag and that looks OK, and also checked again to make sure that the steering control module is properly fitted into the sockets with the 2 wiring harness, again fitted OK.
To be honest this was a long shot on my behalf as the wiper stalk worked, indicators worked, main beam, all the MFSW buttons worked (except the phone and highline menu button) and the horn works, so I would have thought if I had put anything back incorrectly, there would be more than just the CC not working ? Also no errors from a scan using VCDS.
I really apprecaite your time and effort Stu, but as I'm running out of ideas, andthing else you think I could try ?
Cheers
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Can you post up and autoscan or mail it to me if you prefer.
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Stu,
Thanks, you have PM.
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I'll take a look mate.
Thinking about it the simplest option would be for somone with a MFSW and manual box to look at theirs.
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I'm a bit lost now then. The curious thing is there is no fault code.
The ECU is coded for CC which is as expected so if there was no stalk seen by the car I would expect it to throw up some code, perhaps inplausible signal or something.
Why don't you try coding the SW for a car without CC and see if you get it to throw a code.
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Stu,
thanks, I'll give it a go later. Just for info, I found a scan that I did before I changed to the MFSW, dunno if it will help.
As it's coded now
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Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 1K0-953-549.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 AL HW: 1K0 953 549 AL
Component: J0527 036 0070
Coding: 0002042
Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX
Component: E0221 007 0050
No fault code found.
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As it was coded before the wheel change
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Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 1K0-953-549.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 F HW: 1K0 953 549 F
Component: Lenksäulenmodul 521 0050
Coding: 0000042
Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
No fault code found.
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Stu,
This is getting wierder and wierder.
I tried programming the controller to a vaue that was without CCS (0002012) and that threw a code - "controller incorrectly programmed". When I set the coding back to anything that was with CCS it took it no problem.
I reset it back to 0002042 and went into measuring blocks, channel 04 ( I think) and that had the CCS Switch values.
I noticed that when the CC switch on the indicator stalk was off, the value in the measuring block was "OFF", when I flicked the rocker it changed to "ON". Also when the button at the end was pushed up (as you would to accelerate) one of the other boxes changed to "ACCEL", then when I released it went back to "RESUME". Likewise, when the rocker is pushed down I get "DELAY" in VCDS and when released back to "RESUME".
All the time the value CCS-SET remained "NOT OPER", (which was probably because I was stationay in our car park at work and not moving fast enough the the CCS to actually kick in). Obvioulsy I tried the CCS on the Motorway on the way home and stillno joy.
Am I right in thinking though that as the light on the dash comes on when the CCS is activated and the buttons on the indicator stalk register OK in VCDS measuring blocks, that it rules out a problem with the switch itself (which would have been a mojor coincidence as it worked perfectly before the Steering module change over ?
I'm more and moreof the opinion that it's a programming issue, maybe with the engine module that actually interprets the commands ?
Any thoughts ?
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Could I suggest that you change the dealer code to the one that was in your original unit, I know steering controllers won't code without one but I don't know if it also has to be a 'sensible' one.
Bit of a long shot but one to rule out.
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I'll give it a go Stu, game for anything at the moment.
Cheers for all the help anyway.
Can I be cheecky and ask one futher question (which may or may not be related).
As my car has coming home / leaving home lights function, when I unlock the car, all the dash lights and the illumination for all the car switches and Nav all come on, except the ones on the steering wheel. The lights on the steering wheel only come on with the ignition irrespective of anything else. The buttons themselves also only work with the ignition on. Is this the correct behavoir ?