MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Technical Workshop => Topic started by: JPC on January 06, 2009, 06:46:12 pm
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Hi guys, i wonder if i could call upon some help on going from midline to highline.
Now, i have a MY08 golf. the car was brand new when i bought it but it wasnt built to my specification, so i am without highline.
I just wanted a few questions answered if poss.
Is it possible to do a cluster swap on a MY08??
The car is a TDI and it seems a highline TDI cluster is like rocking horse sh*te. i think im going to have to buy a brand new one from the dealers, because its probably impossible to put a gti one in?
Ive seen maloosheck on vwvortex has done this mod but he has also said somewhere you cant do the swap on my07 onwards cars??
thanks guys
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JPC, not an expert by any means, but I've been looking into this for a couple of months for my car as well an (05 MY GT TDI).
From what I have read (and advice given to me by the stealers) it seems that 08my onwards can be done, but due to coding changes within the new cluster and immobilser section, it's a dealer fit only as only they have the proper equipment it would seem (of course I could be talking out of my a*se :happy2:).
I was lucky enough to locate a pretty new 05 MY highline cluster and one of the members from here and uk-mkivs, Darren (Mortygttdi) and I are going to give it a go soon.
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lucky guy. thanks for the input. i will see if i can get someone with half a brain at my dealers to see if they know anything about it.
enter stu? hehe
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its expensive is all i know but as you say Enter vRStu to answer :wink:
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What does Highline give you over Midline? I specc'd it on mine because it sounded good :jumping:
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how much was the msfw and highline from the dealers?
i know the highline was 50quid extra! i think the wheel was near 400.
i wish whoever spec'd mine wouldnt have been a tight arse now!
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IIRC, the higline to spec from new was about £50.00 and the MFSW about £300.00.
I spoke to a local stealer and he agreed to put a new hiline cluster in with labour and programming for £355.00. This was before I managed to track down a used cluster from fleabay.
As regards functionality, well it obviously gives you the overview graphic of the car showing which door is open but also the following:
Access to the convenience and lighting menus, which allows you to change things like:
auto door locking - unlocking
whether the drivers doors only opens on the first click of the remote or all doors.
The coming home / leaving home auto lights and their delay.
Turn on or off and change the delay of the footwell lights.
It also has new menus items that the midline doesn't have such as:
If you have factory Navi unit, it shows the turn signals on the display as well as the road name and compass.
In radio mode, it shows the radio station playing, or if on CD or Ipod, the track number, as well as let the MFSW control track advance.
If you have a BT phone kit fitted, then you have a dedicated phone menu, which shows the phonebook of the mobile it's paired with, caller name, missed calls, etc.
All in all not bad for only a £50.00 option at the time of ordering. Like you JPC, I wish the original owner of my motor, who specced everything else (leather, cruise, Climate, Winter Pack, Storage Pack, 18's, centre armrest), hadn't been so tight and just spent that little extra !
I think one of the reasons though why so many cars come with midline, is that the highline option wasn't very well advertised. Even my local dealer didn't know it was an option until I pointed it out to them !
Cheers
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thanks for the info mate,
so you got your dealer to do it in the end?
i think i may have to get that done too... the new clocks are "uncrackable" boo! :(
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I've done loads of these on Octavia, generally without a problem. I have tried to do it with VCDS and failed and currently there is a guy on Briskoda trying it but not having any success at the moment.
A dealer can do it, it's a peice of cake for them they just need to follow VAS Guided Functions for an insert replacement - Effectively as if they were replacing a defective one. It's takes a maximum of 15 minutes so an hours labour should cover it.
I did one a little while back on an 08MY car which had a new ABS controller which and Long Coding, replacing the cluster wipped this unit and the VAS online system couldn't code it. So make sure you have a full autoscan of the car before you start.
You'll need to ensure that when they do it you provide them with both keys. They cannot change the mileage so if you give them a used insert the miles on that will stay, a new cluster will be coded with the correct mileage during the process.
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thanks for that Stu, i think ill leave this one with the dealer. i have quite a good relationship with them so hopefully they wont come back and say "it cant be done"
That was as well, there will be at least some form of warranty.
im expecting it to be 400quid, ish...but im not too bothered about that
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right, im currently looking at second hand cars with highline, CC and MSFW, tdi's and getting there number plate, then chassis number. all to see what clocks they have fitted! then i should be able to get a price
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^^^ I am currently driving a MK5 1.9TDI with Multi function Wheel, CC and Highline if you need any details from that let me know :happy2:
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thanks for the offer mate, ive just got a part number and its 210quid plus vat for highline clocks for a TDI, which isnt too bad at all!
they wanna charge me £130 for fitting tho, they charge 1.5hrs for it! :(
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Hi Stu Im fitting a set of highline clocks in for andrew(norbreck21a) ive got vcds with microcan and vag commander, are you saying that vcds is now not capable of doing the swap? will I need to find a copy of the older vag-com 709?
Cheers
Darren
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its probably more of a case the older ones have less chance of working
i think its more to do with Vag commander not being able to read Immo Pins from MY08 clocks.
if its an older car with older clockers being put in, it should be ok
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Darren
I think what emerged from the recent Briskoda issue was that VCDS needs to have a valid dealer code, i have seen this on a couple of things lately. When VCDS is set to default it will leave the dealer code untouched but if you get a new device which doesn't have a dealer code then that's when the problem arises.
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VrStu, yes Darren has stupidly agreed to help me with this :happy2: (as If I wasn't causing you enough problems with the MFSW at present).
The car in question is a March 2005, and the replacement clocks have a manufacture date of Jan 2005 (from the sticker). Do you think we should be OK ?
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I see no reason why not. There is a procedure to follow which also involves recording the servicing details etc from the old dash insert and transferring them to the new. You'll also need both SKC's.
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Thanks Stu Ive got an excellent workthrough that is on vortex, the one that maloosheck has wrote in the DIY section so should be fine, Stu may I ask what you use to obtain the SKC? Ive got Vag Commander 5.1 which got the SKC off of my own cluster so that should be fine aswell??
Thanks
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I don't normally need to extract SKC's as new clusters come with an SKC. I do have a similar tool to yourself though.
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Stu,
I think I read somewhere on your Skoda site (concerning pairing new keys) that you said the SKC was on a sticker on the plastic key tab.
I've found my original key tab and it has a 6 or 7 digit number starting with W on one side (which I guess is the suppplying dealer code ?), and on the other a smaller sticker with a 5 digit number starting with a 0 i.e. 04321 (not my code BTW). Is this the SKC or something else ?
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i think thats the SKU mate
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Skoda issue the SKC's as a 4 digit which then requires you to add a 0 to the code before use so it is actually 5 digit. Would that tie in with your code?
The longer number is usually the last digits of the Chassis number.
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Hi, got directed to this thread by someone on http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/
I'm a bit lost with what's going on with my car but I've ended up with a 08 car without highline (though I specced it with it) and I've got a friend at a dealer who got me a highline dash from VW. He can't get the dash to code to my car and he thinks it's because my car has immobiliser 5 but the dash is for immobilser 4. Does that make sense to anyone and is there any way for him to get round that? I've read all the previous posts but I'm lost with all the chat about "VCDS" and "SKC" :confused:
Cheers
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can you get your mate to get the part number from the highline cluster you were using?
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I'll try and get it tomorrow and post it up.
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ok mate, i cant see how the dealers cant do it to be fair! :S
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JPC,
I think the problem lies in the 8th Letter of your last post - "Dealer" :grin:
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yep true! but youd think, if someones clock broke somehow, they'd be able to replace it. and code it.
if this guy has the right part, it should be no more complicated than replacing a damaged clock, like for like
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Ok got a text with the part number.
He says it is:
1k 6 920 973 x z 0 2
Any ideas?
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Simon,
What exact model and engine type is your Golf ?
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It's an 08 GTI so 2.0TFSI
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Simon, thanks for that. I'll have a look tonight in ETKA and see if that part number appears for an 08 GTI or not.
Will post back tomorrow (unless anyone else has ETKA in front of them at the moment ?)
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Simon I've had a look in my copy of ETKA (which has all updates upto 23rd of this this month) and have found the following:
1K6 920 973 X
dash panel insert -180mph for models BWA, BYD+ PR-A8H
Equipment level - Top Sports Equipment
But it's listed for a 2006-2007 model year car not 2008. Maybe that's part of the problem ?
According to my ETKA, the part for a 2008 MY car is
1K6 920 974 X
Hopefully someone can confirm that I'm right (Darren can you check for me as well ?)
But this might well be your problem ?
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Cheers for the info, I've asked my mate to check that part number tomorrow and see what he can find. I'll let you know when I hear back from him.
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From looking on ETKA it looks like you will need part# 1K6 920 970 EX z02 £262.71 inc vat @ 15.0%. 973x that i can see isnt an highline cluster its 972 dx but reading on Malooshecks highline thread these will not code up...? you will be better off sourcing the part number ive given you 970 EX z02 these are from an 2005 model gti with highline and will code up.
Darren
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The part number I posted (973X) is definitely a highline cluster, I've seen it fitted in my car it just wouldn't code. So now i'm just as lost as I was before!
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ETKA has 973 X down has just been top sports equipment which I presume is there new wording for multifunction display with control which is what the old wording says,
If you can source the 970 EX cluster, one went on ebay the other day this will be perfect and will code up no problems.
Darren
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Yeah, the problem is I now have a cluster paid for that doesn't code and they won't take it back because it's classed as used as soon as it was tried in my car. So my only option now is to sell the one for the 06/07 car and then buy the 08 one.
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Simon who is trying to code this up for you? im guessing not a dealer otherwise they should have no problem with whatever cluster they have cos they just stick it on VAS and that does every thing for them they just follow the on screen instructions.
If it is some one out side of a VW dealer then they dont have a cat in hells chance with coding an 06-08 cluster up.
Have a word with the dealer you got it from and ask them if they will fit it for you? it will probably be cheaper than selling your and having to buy another one.
Darren
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It's a guy I know that works at a VW dealer so all the dealer equipment is available to us. He bought the part for me but he can't get it to code. Do you think/know if there's a way of getting the the one I have to work in my car?
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I'm willing to stick my neck out and say if it is a MK5 dash insert then it can be coded. The coding of it will not be affected by it's capabilities such as wrong rev counter etc.
So based on that it could be operator error. The only fly in the ointment is perhaps if the VAS/GFF online system has blocked it for being an unsuitable part number - I know this is not the case with Skoda.
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I would probably go with Stu on this and say operator error...Ive seen how VAS works and it is literaly on screen promts all the way through all the operator has to do is key in the details of the existing cluster. Also if hes able to do this with dealer equipment then he will be able to get advice/backup from germany about what hes doing.
Darren
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Simon where are you based? Perhaps Darren or myself could take a look for you.
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im gettin my highline done in the morning whoop!
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im gettin my highline done in the morning whoop!
I'll turn my outlook off then :jumpmove:
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:grin: :grin: :grin: I think some one needs to do a write up for this forum...are you in a position to do this JPC or is it a dealer who's doing it for you,
Darren
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Not fair, first Darren now JPC...
Really need to get my highline sorted quickly. Can't afford to be left behind :happy2:
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I'm up near Dundee, no doubt miles away from you!
Simon where are you based? Perhaps Darren or myself could take a look for you.
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Ahh yes, just a bit.
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I would probably go with Stu on this and say operator error...Ive seen how VAS works and it is literaly on screen promts all the way through all the operator has to do is key in the details of the existing cluster. Also if hes able to do this with dealer equipment then he will be able to get advice/backup from germany about what hes doing.
Darren
I'll ask if he wants to give it another go and if there's anyone he can speak to that can help but he's already had 2 goes at it and couldn't get it done. I know he's done at least one other one but it was on an older car. As far as he's concerned the dash is incompatible and there's no way around it.
There is a 2008 one on ebay just now and I asked the seller the part number but haven't had any reply, might give them a call and ask if they don't reply tomorrow. However I don't want to buy that unless I sell the one I have so that I don't go and waste any more money on it.
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the ones he's attmepted with will be of limited use I'm afraid, the first thing to happen is the mileage goes on.
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the ones he's attmepted with will be of limited use I'm afraid, the first thing to happen is the mileage goes on.
I'm not sure what you mean, limited use to me or to someone else?
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Yes you mention selling, but it will have the mileage of your car coded into it and for every day it's not in your car the mileage will be differing.
That is assuming of course he got that far.
Do you have any idea of his first steps, that's often where it will go wrong.
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I've no idea what he did, I'll see if I can find out though.
If the mileage is coded to the unit what do people who buy 2nd hand units do?
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You can have mileage 'corrected' however unless you have the tools available you have to pay somone so it all adds to the cost. I guess between £100 - £150.
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ive got my highline working and fitted this morning at the dealers. its working fine, although they were worried about it not working.
when i initially went to the dealers, they didnt have a clue which highline part number to use. they just give you the "it wont work" story.
so basically, what i did, was go onto volkswagen.co.uk go on there used car locator. then i looked for a car very similar to mine. 3 door TDI mk5 GT sport cruise, steering wheel buttons. Then i looked for ones with highline, then got the numberplate of that car with highline.
With that, phone the dealers, and they will be able to get the part number of the clocks used in that car with etka. Hopefully they will give you the part number, then you can order it.
mine was on back order unfortunately, but i waited and it came in last week. they told me that they cant garuntee it would fit, and if it didnt id still have to pay for the clock! great!
it was £226 + vat + £100 surcharge. + £82.50 fitting. so about £450. eeak. but its worth it, it looks great! especially with my phonebook etc on there! ;)
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£82.50 fitting is a bit steep.
Still, it goes some way to prove it can be done quite simply on the Golf, I would assume much like the Octy.
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JPC,
congrats... Any idea on what part number they installed on yours. My spec is very similar and I just wanted to check part numbers ?
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1k0 920 974 BX Z02.
and yep, the labour was expensive but cheaper than trial an error with vag commander etc. it did take the guy two mins to swap the clock then an hour pressing buttons on VAS
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Cheers JPC, it's the part number I had assumed.
If VW were ever to do an exhibition to include a diesel MK5, that could do a lot worse that yours. Every toy going and looks stunning.
Not in the least bit jealous :evilgrin:
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:nerd: Im hoping to catch JPC up soon just wantching a MFSW on german ebay, also watching the cruise control stalk but thats on a buy it now of £51 once and if I get them sorted I can crack on with the xenon full fit.
Darren
Andrew got Sat nav back in golf apperantly one of the speakers outputs is dead so that lad is sending it back.
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Sorry to hear that m8, that's a pain the a*se.
When it was back in, did you get the Audio menu come up on your new Highline OK ?
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Sorry not got it back yet will let you know when Its back in Andrew are you busy on sunday? maybe we can arrange to get these clocks back for you...By the way I did like you said and persisted with the T/C and Ross-Techs Wiki and all lights are now off on the highline cluster :happy2: :grin:
Darren
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Great news m8
Bit busy this weekend. Maybe during the week (meet you halfway) only if that's OK with you ?
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Thats fine Andrew just give me a call or email me when your ready.
Darren
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As i :
a) have highline
b) am too lazy to read through the thread
if your after retro fitting the highline here's a comprehensive guide :
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3604801&postid=44436981#44436981 (http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3604801&postid=44436981#44436981)
HIH
If this has already been posted, the the high-horse keyboard hero's can go wappy with the re-post posts :P
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If this has already been posted, the the high-horse keyboard hero's can go wappy with the re-post posts :P
Love it... :grin:
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:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :happy2: Thats actually what I used Notnormal very good work through there is some very clever people out there.
Darren
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The link doesn't work - does anyone have a link that will ?
TIA,
Mark.
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Here you go Mark
http://furmanka.blogspot.com/2008/02/mk5-mfd-plus-hi-line-cluster.html (http://furmanka.blogspot.com/2008/02/mk5-mfd-plus-hi-line-cluster.html)
Cheers
Darren
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^^^ I am currently driving a MK5 1.9TDI with Multi function Wheel, CC and Highline if you need any details from that let me know :happy2:
Hi guys I'm also looking to do this on my 2004 1.9 TDI, with a Multifucntion wheel and cruise control already fitted.
Can anyone kindly advise me what Highline Cluster Part Number I need please? :happy2:
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If your odometer goes to 140 then the part number is 1K0 920 970PX if it goes to 160 then you need 1K0 920 970LX will be like rocking horse poo to find on any forum or ebay and the dealer maybe the only one to source it.
I can fit it or there is a number of other people on some of the other forums who can help.
Darren
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blast from the past!!!!
anyone successfully changed midline to highline on 07 onwards golf tdi???
1k0920863
to
1k0920873B
hard to find a guy to do this...or will a main stealer do it even if i dont buy a new cluster??
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blast from the past!!!!
anyone successfully changed midline to highline on 07 onwards golf tdi???
1k0920863
to
1k0920873B
hard to find a guy to do this...or will a main stealer do it even if i dont buy a new cluster??
Kalu will be able to do this. He fitted later style clocks to mine and other members cars.
Jas
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thanks jason
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