MK5 Golf GTI

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Title: Oem suspension mated to other chassis mods??
Post by: Janner_Sy on March 29, 2010, 06:42:19 pm
Ive decided to keep my car now and build a track car on the side instead of selling up and getting 2 new motors, I couldnt bring myself to have a diesel estate. instead ill tame the vRS down a bit for everyday driving.

Ive bought a set of Ed30 suspension off one of the resident ED30 geezers on here, and think ill fit them in place of my coilovers.  just interested to know if there any damping or spring differences between the ed30 and GTI.

The std vRS suspension is pretty high unless you go for the eibach sports springs package.  HOw much further does the GTI drop on the eibachs from std

chers guys
Title: Re: Ed30 vS GTI OEM suspension
Post by: 182_blue on March 29, 2010, 06:48:10 pm
The Gti shares the same suspension as the edition 30
Title: Re: Ed30 vS GTI OEM suspension
Post by: jonnyc on March 29, 2010, 06:49:46 pm
The Gti shares the same suspension as the edition 30

+1

Some say they feel a difference but the suspension is exactly the same part number between the two cars..
Title: Re: Ed30 vS GTI OEM suspension
Post by: 182_blue on March 29, 2010, 06:52:08 pm
The Gti shares the same suspension as the edition 30

+1

Some say they feel a difference but the suspension is exactly the same part number between the two cars..

possibly a wheel thing ?
Title: Re: Ed30 vS GTI OEM suspension
Post by: Janner_Sy on March 29, 2010, 06:54:17 pm
anyone know the ride height drop for the upgrade to eibachs.  i think the GTI sits lower than the vRS as standard.

im keeping the WALK and front anti roll bar, but ill be beefing the rear anti roll bar to something stiffer.  might go for some TT lower control arms as well.

that should give me all the grip and reduced undesteer back whilst retaining ride comfort.  i dont want to sacrifice the handling to much
Title: Re: Ed30 vS GTI OEM suspension
Post by: Janner_Sy on March 29, 2010, 06:55:28 pm
The Gti shares the same suspension as the edition 30
+1
Some say they feel a difference but the suspension is exactly the same part number between the two cars..
possibly a wheel thing ?

vRS runs 225/40 R18s. coud be bigger arches maybe
Title: Re: Ed30 vS GTI OEM suspension
Post by: jonnyc on March 29, 2010, 06:57:17 pm
anyone know the ride height drop for the upgrade to eibachs.  i think the GTI sits lower than the vRS as standard.

im keeping the WALK and front anti roll bar, but ill be beefing the rear anti roll bar to something stiffer.  might go for some TT lower control arms as well.

that should give me all the grip and reduced undesteer back whilst retaining ride comfort.  i dont want to sacrifice the handling to much

I think TT bottom arms and stock suspension with H&R springs and a proper rear bar along with the WALK kit should make for a really nice handling but useable car day to day..
Title: Re: Ed30 vS GTI OEM suspension
Post by: Janner_Sy on March 29, 2010, 06:59:56 pm
what the difference between the eibachs and the H&R springs. 

What rear bar would you reccommend JC, considering the vRS has the fatter arse end, and im also running the eibach front ARB and WALk already.  it needs to be a worthwhile change over the eibach rear bar to make it worth the extra cash
Title: Re: Ed30 vS GTI OEM suspension
Post by: jonnyc on March 29, 2010, 07:01:57 pm
what the difference between the eibachs and the H&R springs. 

What rear bar would you reccommend JC, considering the vRS has the fatter arse end, and im also running the eibach front ARB and WALk already.  it needs to be a worthwhile change over the eibach rear bar to make it worth the extra cash

Does the VRS run the same bar as the GTI? So would an aftermarket GTI bar fit?? If so the BSH bar is pretty much the most solid out there..

Dont know the difference between Eibach and H&R if any.. I know a lot of parts are the same between KW / Eibach and H&R so its hard to say.. The only lowering springs I have ever used were H&R and they were pretty good which is why I mentioned them but if you already have Eibach I would say stick with them for the cost..
Title: Re: Ed30 vS GTI OEM suspension
Post by: Janner_Sy on March 29, 2010, 07:13:02 pm
pretty much all the gti stuff is interchangable so i think ill look into the BSH rear bar
Title: Re: Ed30 vS GTI OEM suspension
Post by: jonnyc on March 29, 2010, 07:30:39 pm
pretty much all the gti stuff is interchangable so i think ill look into the BSH rear bar

Cool.. Makes it easy!  :happy2:
Title: Re: Oem suspension mated to other chassis mods??
Post by: Richn83 on March 29, 2010, 08:56:49 pm
Sorry to partially hijack the thread, but you both clearly know more about suspension than me!  :ashamed:

so my question is ..... my understanding is that the R32 is lower than the GTI, in stock format not sure if the suspension is harder as well, but are the R32 shock and coils interchangeable with a GTI or does the 4WD system mean the positioning and geometry is different?

And if they are would fitting the R32 spring and possibly shocks give a GTI a lower stance, while kinda keeping it OEM?
Title: Re: Oem suspension mated to other chassis mods??
Post by: Janner_Sy on March 29, 2010, 09:08:28 pm
the spring stiffness's would very likely be different due to the extra weight of the v6 lump and 4wd.  not even sure if the they would fit nyhow, but id just look into lowering springs instead, much more cost effective
Title: Re: Oem suspension mated to other chassis mods??
Post by: tommy30 on March 29, 2010, 09:18:59 pm

Vrsy, why not keep your coilovers on? Unless they're decked or the damping is silly

stiff they'll be comfy enough for daily driving. And you'll have the benefit of running

the ride height that pleases you  :happy2:
Title: Re: Oem suspension mated to other chassis mods??
Post by: Janner_Sy on March 29, 2010, 09:33:05 pm
Vrsy, why not keep your coilovers on? Unless they're decked or the damping is silly
stiff they'll be comfy enough for daily driving. And you'll have the benefit of running
the ride height that pleases you  :happy2:

its not as simple as just changing the hight as then all the money that went into corner weighting and getting the car balanced is wasted.

To be honest ive had the coilovers on for the last year or so and until now i've been happy with them.  the roads where i used to live were dead smooth, but around medway the roads are horrendous.  the coilovers were good, but i need a change i think.  when i get a second car for a track toy, ill do that as no holds barred
Title: Re: Oem suspension mated to other chassis mods??
Post by: Hedge on March 29, 2010, 09:45:30 pm
Sy I'm not sure why you want to put GTI suspension on the Octy as the spring and damper rates are different  :confused:
Title: Re: Oem suspension mated to other chassis mods??
Post by: Janner_Sy on March 29, 2010, 09:51:35 pm
when i enquired the eibach srings were the same for the vRS and GTI.  could be wrong though. Ill be changing the springs anyway.  as for the damping, its always been commented on how the GTI had better damping than the vRS.  

who knows, this could back fire :scared: and go tits up.  the car just isnt drivable around my local area on coilovers, its so crashy

that said i did search for vRS suspension for the best part of a month or so, but to no avail.
Title: Re: Oem suspension mated to other chassis mods??
Post by: Hedge on March 29, 2010, 09:56:30 pm
I guess you sold your original suspenders then.  :sad1:
Title: Re: Oem suspension mated to other chassis mods??
Post by: Janner_Sy on March 29, 2010, 10:19:52 pm
I guess you sold your original suspenders then.  :sad1:

yep, not my finest moment, sold the lot, and didnt even need the money tbh, just pissed it up the wall.  never mind, you ive and learn
Title: Re: Oem suspension mated to other chassis mods??
Post by: tommy30 on March 29, 2010, 10:26:01 pm

 But surely, changing to other springs/dampers will put the corner-weighting out too?

If you raise your coilovers hopefully this would reduce any crashiness. And for anyone

that's fussy about the car's ride height, having control over it is a blessing. You know

when a car's on springs alone and maybe the front is sitting too high - spoils it  :smiley: