MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: ljc19630 on October 22, 2021, 09:01:40 pm
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The fun commences


Getting S3 IC and new AC condenser fitted, prior to car going to R-Tech in the new year for Venom 450 Hybrid Turbo install. Car will have full health check, inlet manifold walnut blast clean, runner flap delete and a Powervalve Sports exhaust fitted.
Plus all the other supporting parts.
Already had full DSG box rebuild done at Milta Technology, so should be a fun car to drive once all done

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Nice build! Be interesting to see the results. I'm also booked for next year with Rtech going from Stage 2 Rtech to Stage 3 (BWA) can't wait.
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Good stuff. You will be wanting 4WD after it's all tuned up :grin:
What intake is that? I like the metal shroud around the filter!
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Good stuff. You will be wanting 4WD after it's all tuned up :grin:
What intake is that? I like the metal shroud around the filter!
Looks like an MST Intake.
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Cheers :happy2: Haven't heard of that brand but it looks pretty good.
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Cheers :happy2: Haven't heard of that brand but it looks pretty good.
MST Performance are a Taiwanese brand. Probably hasn't made it over to your part of the world.
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Good luck with the build. I would love to go stage 3 myself with either a venom430 or tte420 turbo but the waiting list for R-tech puts me off.
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Cheers :happy2: Haven't heard of that brand but it looks pretty good.
MST Performance are a Taiwanese brand. Probably hasn't made it over to your part of the world.
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Yep MST. Wanted a semi enclosed induction kit. Would have gone with a Volant kit but only available from USA and couldn’t justify the massive cost as power gains are minimal
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Good luck with the build. I would love to go stage 3 myself with either a venom430 or tte420 turbo but the waiting list for R-tech puts me off.
Mine is booked in for Jan 2 2022. I wasn't in any hurry, hence getting done what is within my capabilities and under no pressure! One thing i've had to do is return the S3 upgraded I/C as was initially going STG2+ but with going Hybrid Turbo (STG3) thats not man enough, so splashing out on an Airtec I/C as albeit they state STG2 its more than sufficient for STG3. I cant wait to get it done, as already have the KO4 Converted GTi running 345hp 377tq and that flies, so with the Eddy going STG3 & looking at what TR Hamza achieved 417hp 424tq and that was with a sports cat (i have full 3in Decat) it should be epic!!!!!! :jumpmove: :jumpmove:
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I have the airtec stage 2 cooler , as you say it’s more than adequate for stage 3 and it handily fits in place of the original IC so no chopping the bumper or crash bar. I follow the R-tech page on Facebook and it seems around the 430hp 430tq mark is the norm for a standard engine with a hybrid upgrade which I imagine would make a very quick car.
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I have the airtec stage 2 cooler , as you say it’s more than adequate for stage 3 and it handily fits in place of the original IC so no chopping the bumper or crash bar. I follow the R-tech page on Facebook and it seems around the 430hp 430tq mark is the norm for a standard engine with a hybrid upgrade which I imagine would make a very quick car.
Yeah, i know the Airtec cooler is a spot on fit, so all good. I'm weighing up weather or not to go for a Trackslag 3.5in decat DP? Currently got an eBay 3in Decat, so not sure if cost v HP/TQ gains are worth £295??
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Well I have the trackslag down pipe fitted too but can’t say for sure what the gains are over a generic 3” Downpipe as I fitted it after mapping and never went back to R-tech for a tweak.
In theory the smooth transition from the turbo to exhaust will aid flow and every little helps on smaller turbo’s. If your wanting top end figures then it’s probably worth it and the quality is second to non.
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Well I have the trackslag down pipe fitted too but can’t say for sure what the gains are over a generic 3” Downpipe as I fitted it after mapping and never went back to R-tech for a tweak.
In theory the smooth transition from the turbo to exhaust will aid flow and every little helps on smaller turbo’s. If your wanting top end figures then it’s probably worth it and the quality is second to non.
Cheers Sean. I’m chatting to Ben @ R-Tech ATM on FB messenger and he’s gonna speak to Niki in the morning but he thinks it’s a sound move, and as you say will defo aid flow and also combined with the BCS non valves sports exhaust I’ve ordered too

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That will be a great setup. The guys at R-tech will put you right. The bigger downpipe does makes sense on a hybrid, especially on a Venom 450 which needs good top end flow to make the higher hp. The 3.5” dp will also give lower exhaust gas temps and generally be more efficient.
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That will be a great setup. The guys at R-tech will put you right. The bigger downpipe does makes sense on a hybrid, especially on a Venom 450 which needs good top end flow to make the higher hp. The 3.5” dp will also give lower exhaust gas temps and generally be more efficient.
Thanks buddy. Just about to order but calling them first to ensure I get the correct connector for the BCS exhaust 
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Good idea. What other mods have you got lined up ? R tech injectors , rs4 valve and stock fuel pump ?
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Good idea. What other mods have you got lined up ? R tech injectors , rs4 valve and stock fuel pump ?
So the list of upgrades & replacement parts is as follows
MST Semi enclosed induction kit already fitted
Remove KO4 Turbo and fit Venom450 Ballbaring Turbo
Stag3 ECU Mapping
DSG Mapping (DSG Box had full rebuild by Milta Technology Bristol)
Upgrade existing Injectors to R-Tech Hybridised (No RS3 LPFP req)
Fit RS4 pressure sensor (Autotech HPFP internals already fitted in fuel pump)
Remove inlet manifold and perform walnut blast clean
Runner flap delete
Fit new Thermostat
Cam chain & Tensioner replacement
Oil Pick pipe replacement
VIS Balance Shaft Delete
Supply Quantum 5/40 oil (with new oil filter as well)
Fit new PCV
Check & (if req) fit new RevG DV
Fit new Oil Dip stick
Fit new Red Coli packs with red loom cover
Fit Trackslag 3.5in Full De cat pipe
Fit BCS Exhaust
Gonna initially get B6 Passat Aluminium control arms, new ball joints and Powerflex Anti lift kit fitted. Car already has 30mm Eibach lowering springs, and the ride is really nice, hence not wanting to compromise this, so will just do the above and see how things go, as the anti lift kit is essential as you well know!!!!
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Louie
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Good spec, I imagine you will make strong figures with that setup.
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Good spec, I imagine you will make strong figures with that setup.
Yeah my thoughts too. Gonna get Niki to go balls out with this and map the fcuk out of it!!!! LOL
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Good luck with the build. I would love to go stage 3 myself with either a venom430 or tte420 turbo but the waiting list for R-tech puts me off.
You don't have to wait for R-Tech. Stealth Racing in Southam (very close to R-tech) are just as good and their wait times aren't as long.
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Cheers :happy2: Haven't heard of that brand but it looks pretty good.
MST Performance are a Taiwanese brand. Probably hasn't made it over to your part of the world.
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Yep MST. Wanted a semi enclosed induction kit. Would have gone with a Volant kit but only available from USA and couldn’t justify the massive cost as power gains are minimal
Yeah I like the look of the Volant as well. Most cone on a pipe type intakes liberate around 10hp on a stock engine, but with a bigger turbo or remaps the gains are even bigger. For me it all comes down to the fitment quality and MAF scaling accuracy, which is where most kits fall short, but I reckon your setup will work well :happy2:
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Good luck with the build. I would love to go stage 3 myself with either a venom430 or tte420 turbo but the waiting list for R-tech puts me off.
You don't have to wait for R-Tech. Stealth Racing in Southam (very close to R-tech) are just as good and their wait times aren't as long.
I wont be waiting long!!!! I know Ben well - its not what you, you know!!!!!! :grin: :grin:
Will hopefully all be done before xmas - Only thing holding it up is the BCS exhaust which is a 4-6 week lead time, so likely car will go up to R-Tech mid November, as exhaust being sent to them direct :congrats:
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Cheers :happy2: Haven't heard of that brand but it looks pretty good.
MST Performance are a Taiwanese brand. Probably hasn't made it over to your part of the world.
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Yep MST. Wanted a semi enclosed induction kit. Would have gone with a Volant kit but only available from USA and couldn’t justify the massive cost as power gains are minimal
Yeah I like the look of the Volant as well. Most cone on a pipe type intakes liberate around 10hp on a stock engine, but with a bigger turbo or remaps the gains are even bigger. For me it all comes down to the fitment quality and MAF scaling accuracy, which is where most kits fall short, but I reckon your setup will work well :happy2:
I'll be honest Kev, the MST kit fitted bang on. No issues whatsoever, build quality is good, nice crackle black finish, and well made parts. Should help things with having the Trackslag 3.5in full decat, mated to the Venom450 Hybrid Ball baring turbo, with the BCS non valved sport exhaust :jumpmove: :congrats: :jumpmove:
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Haha, true that. It ain't what you know...... :happy2:
Glad the intake fits well. You'll have to let me know what the long term trims are like once you start driving it around :happy2:
Did you find the Track slag is pushed over into the passenger side of the transmission tunnel a bit too far? That and the rather thin turbo flange were the only things that put me off, otherwise it looks spot on, especially the great big OEM style flexi and ultra chunky bore diameter :happy2:
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Will keep ya posted on trims bud
Trackslag i'm still to get, so cant comment ATM, but i have only heard good things about them.....We live in hope :thinking:
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New Airtec STG2 I/C arrived today. Got this fitted with new condenser. Tomorrow i shall hopefully get the rest of the front end back together :congrats:
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Nice :happy2:
Re: the Slag of tracks, on my mate's car we found it was pressed quite hard up against the heat shield on the passenger side. I mean, it fits and doesn't rub on anything but a little more clearance would be nice. At the time he got his, it was because they only did one pipe - for 4WD. They might do a FWD specific one now, not sure.
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Hey Kev
Yep that make a specific FWD version and also BCS exhaust connector. Fortunately I’m not fitting it as that is part of the R-Tech list of jobs


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Ah well in that case, you're golden then :happy2:
I hope you're prepared for the savagery that awaits. You're going to p1ss yourself laughing the first time you nail that gas pedal :grin:
My mate's was stupid enough at 365hp, yours is going to be pant wettingly hilarious!
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LOL as I said in an earlier post, if it’s anything like what TR Hamza’s was, and he had a sports cat and pap exhaust, I think Pampers will be in order. I’ve got a figure in mind as have a cheeky idea for another little subtle visual mod



But will keep this secret for now
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Oooh you big tease :grin:
Have you got beefy engine mounts? You're gonna need them with all the wheel spin :grin: A Wavetrac diff probably not a bad idea either, plus MK6 ABS ECU with XDS :happy2:
The guy in this video mentioned his friend's MK7 had such severe axle hop, it cracked his windscreen :surprised: :grin: I can only guess the engine must have clouted the bulkhead for that to happen??!
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Oooh you big tease :grin:
Have you got beefy engine mounts? You're gonna need them with all the wheel spin :grin: A Wavetrac diff probably not a bad idea either, plus MK6 ABS ECU with XDS :happy2:
The guy in this video mentioned his friend's MK7 had such severe axle hop, it cracked his windscreen :surprised: :grin: I can only guess the engine must have clouted the bulkhead for that to happen??!
Nice one Kev. Yeah axel hop is a pain, and i've got a Powerflex Anti Lift kit going on as well as an upgraded dog bone mount. They are a given, even at lower power, as they massively help put the extra power to the wheels, as well as preventing the dreaded wheel hop, and cracked windscreens!!!!! LOL
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My pipewerx down pipe snapped at the flexi a few weeks after going stage 2+ due to worn out engine mounts so upgraded or new standard mounts are a good investment
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My pipewerx down pipe snapped at the flexi a few weeks after going stage 2+ due to worn out engine mounts so upgraded or new standard mounts are a good investment
Thanks Sean,
I'm wondering if its worth changing the engine the trans & engine mounts for OEM, or simply upgrading the existing mounts with the Powerflex kits? Have you or anyone else done this? I'll check the engine movement amount, and gauge if the actual mounts need replacing, or just the Powerflex kits
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I’ve heard mixed reviews on the powerflex inserts , such as loose fitting and eventually working their way out of the mounts. But this is probably down to been used on already knackered mounts.
They probably work well on brand new mounts but once you’ve bought new mounts and the powerflex inserts your not far off the price of upgraded aftermarket mounts.
Another alternative is to buy new oem mounts then fill the voids yourself with some polyurethane rubber and choose your own stiffness. Or if your mounts are in good condition then use them.
I have the full Revo set but I couldn’t recommend them. They vibrate hard on idle and the bolts have come loose a couple of times. I wished I’d spent a bit more and got the vibra-technic set.
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I'm gonna just go for the ECS dog bone upgrade and see how that plays out. I dont want to make things too stiff, as i know it will ruin the ride and cabin noise
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No internal strengthening?
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No internal strengthening?
Not sure what you mean bud?
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Will you be forging the engine internals?
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Not for the power I’m going to which will likely be circa 430hp and similar TQ I’ve followed TR Hamza and his build without a full decat, restricted exhaust made 417hp 425tq. I’ve had long chats with Niki @ R-Tech and those are safe numbers for stock internals
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I fitted new engine and gearbox mounts with the powerflex inserts and have had no issues with them.
I also fitted a new dogbone mount with the 034 motorsport billet insert, again no problems.
The difference was noticeable from the first drive.
It's that same thing when you replace old parts, are you feeling the benefit of the inserts or just the fresh mounts?
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I fitted new engine and gearbox mounts with the powerflex inserts and have had no issues with them.
I also fitted a new dogbone mount with the 034 motorsport billet insert, again no problems.
The difference was noticeable from the first drive.
It's that same thing when you replace old parts, are you feeling the benefit of the inserts or just the fresh mounts?
Valid point bud.
I've decided to replace the trans & engine mounts with Lemforder equivalents. considering the car as dome 153k, its £120 well spent. I'll also upgrade the dog bone mount with the ECS kit. That will do for now and i'll see how it all plays out once the car has been breathed on by Mr Gower and the brood at R-Tech!!!!
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That should give a good balance between vibration and keeping the engine solid.
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Not for the power I’m going to which will likely be circa 430hp and similar TQ I’ve followed TR Hamza and his build without a full decat, restricted exhaust made 417hp 425tq. I’ve had long chats with Niki @ R-Tech and those are safe numbers for stock internals
If thats what Niki said, then I'll be happy with that :happy2:
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Not for the power I’m going to which will likely be circa 430hp and similar TQ I’ve followed TR Hamza and his build without a full decat, restricted exhaust made 417hp 425tq. I’ve had long chats with Niki @ R-Tech and those are safe numbers for stock internals
If thats what Niki said, then I'll be happy with that :happy2:
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That should give a good balance between vibration and keeping the engine solid.
That was my thought Sean.I'm not one to rag the nuts of the car anyway, and i wont track it so I think it will be sufficient. Got everything back together on the car now except the front bumper. Refilled the coolant last night and thats all sorted. No leaks (always a bonus) BCS exhaust is being delivered to R-Tech today, and just waiting for the Venom Turbo to be delivered and once i get the nod from Ben, will be driving up and leaving the car with them for a week or so.
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Replacement OEMs will be OK for a while, but the gearbox one will go first as it's a fair bit soggier than the engine one. They made that one softer because the gearboxes in these cars are agricultural. LOADS of NVH! Anyway, see how you get on with them.
The Vibratechnics ones are great (fast road spec, avoid 'Race') but chunky dollar. Also bear in mind NVH increases over winter as the poly/rubber in the mounts is stiffer. As good as the Vibras are, they still dished out too much NVH for my tastes. It's mainly the transmission noise, it gets amplified a LOT. Also quite a nasty vibration around 1200rpm but not too bad at idle and at higher rpms.
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Replacement OEMs will be OK for a while, but the gearbox one will go first as it's a fair bit soggier than the engine one. They made that one softer because the gearboxes in these cars are agricultural. LOADS of NVH! Anyway, see how you get on with them.
The Vibratechnics ones are great (fast road spec, avoid 'Race') but chunky dollar. Also bear in mind NVH increases over winter as the poly/rubber in the mounts is stiffer. As good as the Vibras are, they still dished out too much NVH for my tastes. It's mainly the transmission noise, it gets amplified a LOT. Also quite a nasty vibration around 1200rpm but not too bad at idle and at higher rpms.
Good to know Kev. Yeah i'll stick with the OEM for now and see how it goes. I'm upgrading the Dog Bone mount to an ECS unit, and also fitting Powerflex Antilift kit. That should help lessen wheel hop etc!!!!
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A few more additions today
OEM engine and trans mounts, Powerflex Black Series Anti Lift Kit, Ferodo DS2500 front pads, AC re gassed. Just waiting for B6 Passat alloy arms /Ball Joints and she’s ready for STG3
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Replacement OEMs will be OK for a while, but the gearbox one will go first as it's a fair bit soggier than the engine one. They made that one softer because the gearboxes in these cars are agricultural. LOADS of NVH! Anyway, see how you get on with them.
The Vibratechnics ones are great (fast road spec, avoid 'Race') but chunky dollar. Also bear in mind NVH increases over winter as the poly/rubber in the mounts is stiffer. As good as the Vibras are, they still dished out too much NVH for my tastes. It's mainly the transmission noise, it gets amplified a LOT. Also quite a nasty vibration around 1200rpm but not too bad at idle and at higher rpms.
Good to know Kev. Yeah i'll stick with the OEM for now and see how it goes. I'm upgrading the Dog Bone mount to an ECS unit, and also fitting Powerflex Antilift kit. That should help lessen wheel hop etc!!!!
Yeah it should help :happy2: I don't know what it is with these cars and engine mounts. The missus's MK6 TDI has 12 year old standard mounts in it and there isn't a hint of engine slop or wheel hop......and yet the same mounts in the GTI.....terrible :grin:
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Replacement OEMs will be OK for a while, but the gearbox one will go first as it's a fair bit soggier than the engine one. They made that one softer because the gearboxes in these cars are agricultural. LOADS of NVH! Anyway, see how you get on with them.
The Vibratechnics ones are great (fast road spec, avoid 'Race') but chunky dollar. Also bear in mind NVH increases over winter as the poly/rubber in the mounts is stiffer. As good as the Vibras are, they still dished out too much NVH for my tastes. It's mainly the transmission noise, it gets amplified a LOT. Also quite a nasty vibration around 1200rpm but not too bad at idle and at higher rpms.
Good to know Kev. Yeah i'll stick with the OEM for now and see how it goes. I'm upgrading the Dog Bone mount to an ECS unit, and also fitting Powerflex Antilift kit. That should help lessen wheel hop etc!!!!
Yeah it should help :happy2: I don't know what it is with these cars and engine mounts. The missus's MK6 TDI has 12 year old standard mounts in it and there isn't a hint of engine slop or wheel hop......and yet the same mounts in the GTI.....terrible :grin:
The engine Mount wasn't too bad but still far more movement than the new one. Trans Mount was sloppier than a prostitutes fanny!!!!!
QQ, i've ordered a set of B6 Passat alloy arms. Was gonna just get the arms and ball joints, but found a kit that provided
Wishbone / Control Arms : 2
Track Rod End : 2
Drop Links : 2
Ball Joints : 2
Went for that, but after ordering i thought......cock are the drop links and track rods/ends the same on B6 as GTi??? :thinking: :thinking: :sad1:
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Hey guys,
Been a while since last updating on this, hence here is the latest.
The car has been up at R-Tech since 7th Feb, and i'll be collecting this Friday 25th. All has gone well with the build and other work, and Niki will be starting the mapping tomorrow. The list of work completed and parts fitted are below
VENOM 450 HYBRID TURBO FIT
HYBRIDISED INJECTOR UPGRADE
INLET MANIFOLD WALNUT BLAST
CAM CHAIN/TENSIONER + FIT
STG3 ECU & DSG MAPPING
NEW THERMOSTAT + FIT
FIT RED COIL PACK HARNESS
FIT RS4 PRESSURE VALVE
FIT I/C SIDE BRACKETS
RUNNER FLAP DELETE + FIT
OIL PICK PIPE REPLACEMENT +FIT
VIS BALANCE SHAFT DELETE +FIT
NEW REVO INDUCTION KIT + FIT
FIT BCS EXHAUST + TRACKSLAG DP
VENOM 450 HYBRID TURBO
BCS SPORT EXHAUST
MST INDUCTION KIT
TRACKSLAG DP
RUNNER FLAP DELETE KIT
R8 COIL PACKS
RS4 PRESSURE VALVE
AIRTEC IC
NGK Spark Plug PFR7S8EG (1675) X 4
TRHERMOSTAT
OEM FUEL FILTER
INDUCTION HEAT SHIELD
GENUINE DIPSTICK
BOOST PIPE O RING AND SECURING CLIP
POWERFLEX ANTI LIFT KIT
FERODO FRP3078R PADS
ECS DOG BONE MOUNT KIT
ENGINE & TRANS MOUNTS
Got a call with Ben (he's a true Legend) just to get a full update as been chatting on text, but all in all cant wait till Friday to collect the car. The journey from Nuneton to Horsham should be a hoot! I've asked Niki to get the car to 430hp and likely he'll cap the TQ at 450. Reason i want 430hp, is (@pudding you'll be pleased to know) that i'm getting bespoke EDITION 430 badges made exactly like OEM, but instead of plastic, these are raised Nickel, and chromed with red lettering. The artwork mock up is below A bit of fun, and will be interesting to see how many people notice :signLOL:
I'll send a further update once i've collected the car, and provide an overall report on the performance
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Good stuff :happy2:
Edition 430 is a nice touch. Obviously Joe Public won't have the foggiest, but those in the know will probably guess it's tuned up to that figure :grin:
Back in my VR6 Turbo days, a few folk liked to use the T from a Transporter Van to stick on after VR6, but I prefer 100% stealth. Give absolutely nothing away :grin:
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Thanks Kev!
As you say, most wont have a clue, but as the car looks OEM it may surprise a few when they see it take off!!!!
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Good to hear everything is going well and no major issues have come to light. I’m looking forward to seeing the final results.
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Cheers Sean!
Counting down the days to collection…..as well as the day I’ll get a build week for my new RS3 


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COLLECTION DAY :jumpmove: :jumpmove:
On Train to Nuneton, and the drive home in the sunshine will be a giggle no doubt!!!! Espicially with shyte tyres that are on the car till PS4s are fitted all round next week. Update to follow :driver: :driver:
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Look forward to the update on this
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Good stuff. Take it easy on the way home with all that Cadburys booooooooooooost :laugh:
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Let us know how you get on... :happy2:
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Hey guys
Just home. Holy Fcuk...The car is INSANE :driver:. Made 433.2hp & 424tq I honestly am lost for words as to how it preforms. Granted i have the most useless of useless tyres (PS4s being put on next week) but its just on another level. The way it pulls, puts the power down (with shyte tyres) is
incredible. I had several "sorties" on the M40, and my god, i thought a STG2+ ED30 was quick, but this just destroys speed! The combo of the Venom450 Hybrid Turbo, Trackslag DP and BCS resonated sports exhaust has transformed the sound. No drone, no chav like stupidly noisy exhaust, but a deep growl, and when on WOT the DSG farts have been transformed in to LOUD CRACKS!!! Truly like a rally car (as TR Hamza would say) So pleased and as usual Pip, Niki & Ben were on hand to talk me through the car, and even before i'd paid anything they threw me the keys and said "go out and play" I just wouldn't go anywhere else as i trust these guys so much, and the reward is very sedate, drivable MONSTER of a car they have produced :congrats: :congrats:. More to follow and i'll get some vids up once the PS4s are fitted
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Awesome news fella :laugh:
I bet the top end is insane.
Skip the PS4 mate, go for the Eagle F1 SuperSport. It's far superior in every way :happy2:
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Awesome news fella :laugh:
I bet the top end is insane.
Skip the PS4 mate, go for the Eagle F1 SuperSport. It's far superior in every way :happy2:
It is Kev, mental!!!! OK i recall you mentioning the Eagle F1 SuperSport, hence will go for these :congrats:
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Modded Badges arrived :jumpmove:
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Modded Badges arrived :jumpmove:
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Brilliant.
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Great job :happy2:
Maybe I’ll put an Edition Dirty badge on the diesel :smiley:
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Edition Dirty - PMSL :grin: Obligatory front badge also added :happy2:
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