MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: luca on January 08, 2009, 11:10:36 am
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Need the car lowering :laugh: Dont want a huge drop, 30mm should be enough.
How much are eibach coilovers fitted?
How much are eibach lowering springs fitted?
Thanks :happy2:
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Need the car lowering :laugh: Dont want a huge drop, 30mm should be enough.
How much are eibach coilovers fitted?
How much are eibach lowering springs fitted?
Thanks :happy2:
just get the sportlines and most grg should only charge u £100 for doing it
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Need the car lowering :laugh: Dont want a huge drop, 30mm should be enough.
How much are eibach coilovers fitted?
How much are eibach lowering springs fitted?
Thanks :happy2:
just get the sportlines and most grg should only charge u £100 for doing it
Agreed :happy2:
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As soon as the pescaras sell, i'll get them ordered :smiley:
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im not well up on my lowering at all, sorry to chip in with a question
the sportlines? thats the springs only right? eibach?
is that £100 supply and fit or just fitting?
whats the drop normally with the sportlines? and how to the standard shocks put up with the lowering springs?
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awesome had some weitec coilovers in, they look pritty damn cool and were a good price aswell! :happy2:
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Are they any good compared to eibach?
How much were they?
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spend £200 on springs supply and fit or spend £800 on coilovers simple as that
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Are they any good compared to eibach?
How much were they?
im sure they are made by eibach and are to the same quality. i think they were about 520 :smiley:
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Exactly the same as the springs, everything has to come off - so it just depends what you prefer and how much you want to spend?
Lowered springs are good, but I don't think you'll actually see much of a drop given that you're already lower than a GTI, unless you go silly... then you've got the problem of a stiffer spring to compensate and a unmatched damper that will bottom out and possibly fail.
My Eibach coils (which are made by KW) weren't that far off standard spec ride quality, the ARBs have stiffened that up further though now.
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spend £200 on springs supply and fit or spend £800 on coilovers simple as that
you dont need to spend 800, you can buy coilovers off ebay for about 300 quid, and springs for 70.
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Exactly the same as the springs, everything has to come off - so it just depends what you prefer and how much you want to spend?
Lowered springs are good, but I don't think you'll actually see much of a drop given that you're already lower than a GTI, unless you go silly... then you've got the problem of a stiffer spring to compensate and a unmatched damper that will bottom out and possibly fail.
My Eibach coils (which are made by KW) weren't that far off standard spec ride quality, the ARBs have stiffened that up further though now.
WHAT!!?? :rolleye:
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hes now lower at all :laugh:
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^^ Ed30's are lower than GTIs - 15-20mm iirc?
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If i go for coilovers i would like good quality ones such as eibach, kw etc. Wouldnt want to risk getting cheap ones from ebay.
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^^ Ed30's are lower than GTIs - 15-20mm iirc?
lmao :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: they are the same
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^^ Ed30's are lower than GTIs - 15-20mm iirc?
no they are not they have same shocks and springs go to vw and get part numbers they are the same
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ed30 has same setup as gti
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H&R springs would be ok for a diesel like me?
im not after a massive improvement in ride,
dont want to track it,
dont want a bone shattering ride
and i dont like the slammed look
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The only thing bothering me about just getting springs is the dampers. How much earlier would they need replacing?
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im in the same boat.
isnt there an eibach pro kit? with new dampers?
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nah its the koni sport kit im thinking of.
whats the opinions on that?
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-Golf-MK5-Coilover-lowering-springs-shock-kit-150554_W0QQitemZ360113882369QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item360113882369&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1301|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318
cheap coilovers :smiley:
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The only thing bothering me about just getting springs is the dampers. How much earlier would they need replacing?
they are more than ok as they have been tested to death to make sure they work fine and if anything they just stiffen the car up more, ak awesome about them as it was them that told me they are the best for the drop i need and for the things i do
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Would koni fsd and eibach sportlines be cheaper than the eibach coilovers?
Think i will probably just go with springs for now and maybe get coilovers later on in the year.
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you not see the janspeed cheapies? not take your fancy. Alot of people on the other forum use them. :smiley:
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Where are those?
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in the ebay link above :rolleye:
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LOL - Well do I win today's "talking out of his arse" award!!!
I could have sworn I read somewhere it was lower, oh the shame :ashamed:
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LOL - Well do I win today's "talking out of his arse" award!!!
I could have sworn I read somewhere it was lower, oh the shame :ashamed:
you probably did as alot of reporters said it was without even checking.....or looking :laugh:
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in the ebay link above :rolleye:
Lol they are jamex, janspeed make exhausts :signLOL:
They look ok but they must be cheap for a reason :laugh:
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ye...i dont like the look of the ebay ones. have you got them joe?
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in the ebay link above :rolleye:
Lol they are jamex, janspeed make exhausts :signLOL:
They look ok but they must be cheap for a reason :laugh:
ooops :ashamed: my mistake.
ye...i dont like the look of the ebay ones. have you got them joe?
no, i dont have them but have read reviews and they seem OK. if i wanted to lower my car and could only spend 300quid i defo get them
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I have been led to believe the cheap coils are ok for normal everyday driving, but if you are thinking about going on track days and drive aggresively on the roads then they might not hold up, you get what you pay for.....
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If i go for coilovers i would like good quality ones such as eibach, kw etc. Wouldnt want to risk getting cheap ones from ebay.
.... x2 - Pay peanuts and you usually get monkeys.
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And if they're not stainless, you'll adjust them once... and once only!
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I have been led to believe the cheap coils are ok for normal everyday driving, but if you are thinking about going on track days and drive aggresively on the roads then they might not hold up, you get what you pay for.....
....The problem is that you may not always drive 'aggressively' on the roads but with a GTI there's bound to be times when it's safe to do so and so you do - It would be rude to say no. Would any driver in their right mind want to be wondering if their suspension was up to the job?
Sometimes being primarily led by saving money is just plain stoooopid.
Adjustable but not stainless!? - That's only okay if you only do track and change them regularly. Being galvanised (only intended for short term use) is why KW don't guarantee their race dampers.
:rolleye:
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id hope they are stainless, would be a lil daft and pointless having them rust up :laugh:
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Where is the cheapest place to pick up a set of the eibach springs?
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Where is the cheapest place to pick up a set of the eibach springs?
http://www.motorsportworld.co.uk/
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id hope they are stainless, would be a lil daft and pointless having them rust up :laugh:
....Agreed, but some people will do all sorts of things just to make money. Jews and Arabs (for example) very typically consider that it's your fault or problem if they succeed in selling you something which they may know is no good - It's a cultural thing.
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im in the same boat.
isnt there an eibach pro kit? with new dampers?
Yes there is I ran it for a while on my first GTi and was quite impressed :smiley:
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i might get them gaz. h&R Springs have gone up a fortune now might just spend a bit more and the teh dampers too. 35mm drop you reckon?
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i know from the past that jamex stuff is just max power style sh*te !!!!!!!!!!!!
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i might get them gaz. h&R Springs have gone up a fortune now might just spend a bit more and the teh dampers too. 35mm drop you reckon?
to be honest Jay we had an issue with the rear ride height and we couldn't sort it, so Jim @ Awesome sorted me out with the coilovers, turns out is was the springs at fault which I believe has now been sorted. The kit performed really well, more controlled than std and better damped
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im in the same boat.
isnt there an eibach pro kit? with new dampers?
Yes there is I ran it for a while on my first GTi and was quite impressed :smiley:
How much was that fitted gaz?
Cheers :happy2:
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can't remember of the top of my head Luca, Awesome did it so it might be worth ringing them, I would get them to confirm that the ride height issue has been sorted though :happy2:
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have you guys not thought of the new AP coilovers, they are cheap and come with TUV approval. The seat guys seem to have used them a fair amount and have good reviews on them. ive just ordered some for my VRS and im thinking of dropping it 30-35 mm, i paid 350incl tax and delivery, but the prices bare about to increase by around 80 pound soon!!
wont egt them fitted till february but will sure let you kno w how they were
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^^^ Got any links to these :happy2:
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spoke to awesome about these Steve, they supply them, and they suggest they would be better suited to the less expensive end of the market and wouldn't really put them on a quality car, he did add they are good value for money but you get what you pay for :smiley:
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i.e a bit naff
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^^^ Cheers Gaz :happy2:
My current thinking is between three coilovers, the KW V2, Eibach's or Sach :confused:
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spoke to Awesome about these Steve, they supply them, and they suggest they would be better suited to the less expensive end of the market and wouldn't really put them on a quality car, he did add they are good value for money but you get what you pay for :smiley:
.... :signLOL: - Very diplomatically worded, Gaz!
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My current thinking is between three coilovers, the KW V2, Eibach's or Sach :confused:
....All three with excellent reputations. The best of all is probably Bilstein, but they cost more! And if you don't do track, probably overkill.
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The AP coilovers don't have stainless steel threads either and so corrosion would be an issue :smiley:
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My current thinking is between three coilovers, the KW V2, Eibach's or Sach :confused:
....All three with excellent reputations. The best of all is probably Bilstein, but they cost more! And if you don't do track, probably overkill.
Yep I agree about Bilstein's as I am not likely to do more than one track day a year that's why I haven't included them :happy2:
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spoke to Awesome about these Steve, they supply them, and they suggest they would be better suited to the less expensive end of the market and wouldn't really put them on a quality car, he did add they are good value for money but you get what you pay for :smiley:
.... :signLOL: - Very diplomatically worded, Gaz!
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My current thinking is between three coilovers, the KW V2, Eibach's or Sach :confused:
....All three with excellent reputations. The best of all is probably Bilstein, but they cost more! And if you don't do track, probably overkill.
i think all coilovers with adjustable damping are a lil over kill if not going on the track.
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on the motorsportworld website i saw the eibach coilovers for 700 and blistein for 770 so nt a huge difference in price
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on the motorsportworld website i saw the eibach coilovers for 700 and blistein for 770 so nt a huge difference in price
Cheapest place for the sportlines though
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Have you considered looking into gaz shocks? I've only heard rave reviews about them regardless of what vehicle their fitted to.
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your not havin mine :laugh:
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....All three with excellent reputations. The best of all is probably Bilstein, but they cost more! And if you don't do track, probably overkill.
i think all coilovers with adjustable damping are a lil over kill if not going on the track.
....I don't agree. The point of having adjustability is that you can set up your suspension more accurately (or get a professional to do it for you, as I am doing) for Fast Road use. Also you have the option for a different setup for occasional trackdays if you want.
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I agree RR, if you have the funds and time to get someone to set it up for you that is great , but not everybody does so they have to make a compromise that will work in both cases :smiley:
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i ve been looking at a koni kit , strt and ssk any one got these ?
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I have heard they are a little harsh
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in my humble opinion guys we are driving cars that cost circa 20,000 why replace vital parts with something really cheap it doesn't make sense. if you cant afford quality replacements then just leave it stock or just do the springs.
If you where about to run a marathon you would not buy yourself a pair of adiddas 4 stripe would you. :chicken:
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Good point, TC!
Mark at VWR was telling me today that VW put a heck of a lot of care and effort in designing their components and there is so much on the Mk5 GTI platform that doesn't necessarily need replacing. When you consider how hard the race cars are driven and how well the components stand up, that's a very real test!
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I agree with others, if you can't afford to replace the suspension with a quality and proven manufacturer, don't bother. TBH I'd think carefully about the just springs approach, as dependending on which springs and drop you choose, it can in the long term damage the oem struts.
I opted for Eibach coilovers at around 750 fitted, which are produced by KW.
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Have you considered looking into gaz shocks? I've only heard rave reviews about them regardless of what vehicle their fitted to.
GAZ are absolute tops,
I've bought them in the past and "when" I buy the family mk5 I will definately be investing in some Gaz Gold coilovers.
Amazing build quality.
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GAZ are absolute tops,
I've bought them in the past and "when" I buy the family mk5 I will definately be investing in some Gaz Gold coilovers.
Amazing build quality.
Necropost FTMFW!!!!
Just messing dude, how long til you get a MK5?
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Hello All, if I can just chip in... :smiley:
Just about to fit Eibach (Sachs) Pro Dampers and Pro kit springs (basically the standard but a bit better as Re-valved by Sachs Performance), due to my car not being raced/tracked and I'm not trying to knock seconds off my lap times so this suits my pocket and taste and I don't have to set them up!.
It's all about what you want from your car and how much money you have and want to spend on moding.
My car has high motorway mileage but I know this will improve the car and offer a slightly better than standard look and performance without giving up the comfort when on a long run - as one of you guys said the standard kit on the GTi is pretty bloody good - go too far and you forego all the millions of Euros these VW chaps spent developing the car in the first place, weight/balance/road conditions and body dynamics. If you want to go hard core then that's a different ball game and price.
I went for Eibach Pro Dampers for £180 (changing stock price) normally £450 (but look around, you can get them cheap) and Pro kit springs for £132, a good price to bring the car upto scratch and a bit more, especially if you have a few loose bushes (ooh err).
If these prices on the Pro Dampers can't be found then it's worth looking at GSF who sell all OE Sachs dampers for the GTi at £44+vat which you can match very neatly with a Pro or for a bigger drop the Sportline spring. Here's a link http://performance-suspension.eibach.de/cms/performance_guide
Be sure not to ruin your car, i've put cheap (look fancy) systems on previous cars and regretted it. If you're going to go for it then get close to KW topend ClubSport or the like or forget it, you will ruin your handling or worse. Remember also that if you go for top kit you will need a professional to set the baby up.
I would to set up my R1 Yamaha for track, road that suited me, my weight and style of riding (with professional advice) but forget 4 corners for the road and track - you gotta be a genius to do that, or more to the point you'd need a stretch of road you can run backwards and forwards all day whilst changing small increments on rebound, damping and spring rate whilst trying to give feedback through a chassis that was built for old people who want to go to the shops, laughable in motorsport terms unless you start strengthening the chassis. Bikes have chassis that are set up for racing, not Grannies and you can tell the small inputs made on rebound and damping but I would struggle to give any feedback on a standard Golf chassis over and above - that feels a bit better. You also have to then add to this what tyre you're using... bit much for someone who wants to go round a roundabout faster!
If ya car's for track mostly then, again, different ball game.
Hope this adds to the chat chaps
PS, I run a 2005 Gti car with stuff done that I've had from new and I can't sell it. Love it too much.
Bill
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Oh, forgot to say that don't underestimate the standard set-up of dampers and springs... it wasn't that long ago that EVO magazine used a standard MK5 gti on a photo shoot with a Lambo amongst other Supercars and found that the support car (Mk5 Golf Gti) was very hard to get away from on anything other than a long straight, high praise indeed I think you'll all agree.
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:booty:Just changed the rear HUB/BEARING today if anyone needs advice, real simple job but tough to get ya head round doing it. Just shout up if you need advice as I got some VW advice before attempting.
Did discs/pads and brake fluid flush too if ya need help on that. :notworthy:
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GAZ are absolute tops,
I've bought them in the past and "when" I buy the family mk5 I will definately be investing in some Gaz Gold coilovers.
Amazing build quality.
Necropost FTMFW!!!!
Just messing dude, how long til you get a MK5?
No worries mate.
Dunno. Gotta sell the wife's mk4 and sort some cash out.....end of summer I think,
but I'm already getting excited!!