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Title: Noise Diagnosis (with video)
Post by: andrewparker on April 09, 2010, 12:20:43 pm
Hi guys, I was hoping someone might be able to tell me what this noise is, before I take my car down to the local VW garage.

It has became quite persistent over the last few weeks. In the video the car's engine is up to temperature having been driven approximately 10 miles in 30 - 40mph traffic. The car is an 06 GTi, and has covered nearly 32K miles.



Thanks in advance for any help you can give me.
Title: Re: Noise Diagnosis (with video)
Post by: Garth on April 09, 2010, 12:23:13 pm
Definately a family of mice in there somewhere!
Title: Re: Noise Diagnosis (with video)
Post by: titchy on April 09, 2010, 12:27:44 pm
sounds like a belt tensioner try taking the drive belt off see if it goes
Title: Re: Noise Diagnosis (with video)
Post by: andrewparker on April 09, 2010, 01:21:24 pm
Haha, I'm no mechanic, I just don't want VW charging me a fortune if it's something relatively simple.
Title: Re: Noise Diagnosis (with video)
Post by: Richn83 on April 09, 2010, 01:58:56 pm
In my non expert opinion it sounds like a pulley wheel, or a slipping belt. I certainly wouldnt want to be taking any belts off and then starting the engine, but Ive never played with the engine in any great details.  Hopefully an experienced mechanic will be alone with an expert opinion soon.

I would hope a VW garage would be able to have a mechanic come out and listen to give an initial diagnosis of the problem if asked nicely, especially if they serviced or sold you the car.

BUMP
Title: Re: Noise Diagnosis (with video)
Post by: Russ_leeds on April 09, 2010, 04:35:50 pm
i had a similar noise, no where near as bad as that tho, it turned out to be the cambelt tensioner, and had cambelt and such done under warranty
Title: Re: Noise Diagnosis (with video)
Post by: JLCoad on April 09, 2010, 04:44:03 pm
Ditto Russ
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Post by: gazbutS3 on April 09, 2010, 04:47:24 pm
cambelt tensioner for me :happy2: not un-common
Title: Re: Noise Diagnosis (with video)
Post by: andrewparker on April 09, 2010, 05:32:38 pm
So new cambelt? I think the VW price is £285 and the car has just turned 4 years old, the time they recommend a change.
Title: Re: Noise Diagnosis (with video)
Post by: Saint Steve on April 09, 2010, 05:33:03 pm
As above and as on GolfGTi thread chap :innocent:
Title: Re: Noise Diagnosis (with video)
Post by: Neimad on April 09, 2010, 07:14:27 pm
Mine does this too, but it stops after the car has warmed up.

On one visit to my dealer I mentioned it to them and they actually fixed it... although their fix lasted only 24 hours.  At the time they told me that something was catching on the engine cover.

The next time I had my car in I re-raised the issue, told them that they'd fixed it previously and asked them to look in to it again.  This time they professed they couldn't hear anything and couldn't find the problem at all.  Then they said that if I wanted they would keep the car overnight and look at it again in the morning if I wanted (due to me telling them it was related to engine temperature) but since the dealer I use is near my office, which is 40 miles from my house, and they didn't have any spare courtesy cars it never happened.

Since then my car has gone out of warranty so I guess I'll be paying for that out of my own pocket, although since my car is about due it's cambelt change anyway I guess it will get sorted one way or the other...
Title: Re: Noise Diagnosis (with video)
Post by: andrewparker on April 09, 2010, 08:02:05 pm
Cheers for all your responses guys. The car is booked in for a cambelt change next Friday.

Incidentally, are there any other items than need attention around the 4 year mark? How long does the diverter valve last?
Title: Re: Noise Diagnosis (with video)
Post by: Matt23 on April 09, 2010, 08:15:39 pm
I too get this noise but only on start up from cold and soon disappears should i be worried and get it changed ?

If your car is a dsg the gearbox needs oil and filter change. Other members have had the water pump done too when having the cambelt sorted as its in the same area and cambelt needs to be removed to get at the water pump i think.
Title: Re: Noise Diagnosis (with video)
Post by: andrewparker on April 12, 2010, 09:42:57 pm
A few other people have suggested it might be the aux belt that is causing the noise.

Is this it pictured? Because that is exactly where the squeaking noise is coming from.

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbrowndog-design.com%2Fbelt.jpg&hash=803b9cae62285c09d534fb0bb85669797dda71fb)
Title: Re: Noise Diagnosis (with video)
Post by: PDT on April 12, 2010, 09:50:17 pm
Sounds like the Alternator (aux) belt tensioner. They quieten down when they warm up as the grease (they are a sealed for life bearing) warms and gets a bit thinner so it lubricates a bit better.

The tensioner is directly at 10 o'clock in the pic you have posted. I have seen the cambelt tensioner make a similar noise but my guess is the aux belt
Title: Re: Noise Diagnosis (with video)
Post by: Tarmac_Terrorist on April 12, 2010, 09:59:24 pm
Cheers for all your responses guys. The car is booked in for a cambelt change next Friday.

Incidentally, are there any other items than need attention around the 4 year mark? How long does the diverter valve last?

Spend an extra £80 and get the water pump replaced at the same time as the belt. These are known to fail and it's the same labour / job effectively as it is to replace the belt.
Mine is 4 years old in May and i've booked mine in for 3 weeks time for this work. Afterphoning around and a little haggling my dealer agreed to do it all for £380 incl vat. The pricres started at £545 LOL!
Title: Re: Noise Diagnosis (with video)
Post by: andrewparker on April 13, 2010, 09:06:13 am
Sounds like the Alternator (aux) belt tensioner. They quieten down when they warm up as the grease (they are a sealed for life bearing) warms and gets a bit thinner so it lubricates a bit better.

The tensioner is directly at 10 o'clock in the pic you have posted. I have seen the cambelt tensioner make a similar noise but my guess is the aux belt

So is the fix to replace the tensioner and belt?
Title: Re: Noise Diagnosis (with video)
Post by: Russ_leeds on April 13, 2010, 04:43:55 pm
wen i had this prob the dealer said it was the alternator belt and tensioner, changed that, noise still there. after they did the cambelt and tensioner it was gone. i had a quote for the water pump at £45 with no labour as they already had the belt off
Title: Re: Noise Diagnosis (with video)
Post by: Saint Steve on April 13, 2010, 05:24:47 pm
Sounds like the Alternator (aux) belt tensioner. They quieten down when they warm up as the grease (they are a sealed for life bearing) warms and gets a bit thinner so it lubricates a bit better.

The tensioner is directly at 10 o'clock in the pic you have posted. I have seen the cambelt tensioner make a similar noise but my guess is the aux belt

So is the fix to replace the tensioner and belt?

Have i missed the boat or something??  The Fix has already been stated several times to you Andrew.

Tell the dealer to replace Cambelt and cambelt tensioner to cure this squeeling noise   :star:

If you follow PDT's advise, you will have an expensive repair bill for no reason.
Title: Re: Noise Diagnosis (with video)
Post by: andrewparker on April 13, 2010, 06:20:16 pm
Have i missed the boat or something??  The Fix has already been stated several times to you Andrew.

Tell the dealer to replace Cambelt and cambelt tensioner to cure this squeeling noise   :star:

If you follow PDT's advise, you will have an expensive repair bill for no reason.

Er, thanks Steve, but if you follow the thread of the conversation two possible solutions have been posted. Some people have found the problem to be with the cambelt, others have found it to be the aux belt. As the noise seems to be coming directly from the aux belt it's not unreasonable to consider it might be that. Anyway, the cars having a cambelt replacement anyway so hopefully it will be that, and if not then I have some other starting points.

But thanks for your invaluable help, you're a star :wink:
Title: Re: Noise Diagnosis (with video)
Post by: Saint Steve on April 13, 2010, 06:48:18 pm
Aux belt if loose would sound worse if you rev'd the engine, same as any loose Aux old term Fan belt term.

Look foward to an update Andrew
Title: Re: Noise Diagnosis (with video)
Post by: andrewparker on April 16, 2010, 09:11:42 am
Well well, the VW Technician is positive it is the alternator belt tensioner, as PDT suggested. They're going to do the cam belt first though, then see.
Title: Re: Noise Diagnosis (with video)
Post by: PDT on April 16, 2010, 10:19:10 am
Sounds like the Alternator (aux) belt tensioner. They quieten down when they warm up as the grease (they are a sealed for life bearing) warms and gets a bit thinner so it lubricates a bit better.

The tensioner is directly at 10 o'clock in the pic you have posted. I have seen the cambelt tensioner make a similar noise but my guess is the aux belt

So is the fix to replace the tensioner and belt?

Have i missed the boat or something??  The Fix has already been stated several times to you Andrew.

Tell the dealer to replace Cambelt and cambelt tensioner to cure this squeeling noise   :star:

If you follow PDT's advise, you will have an expensive repair bill for no reason.






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Title: Re: Noise Diagnosis (with video)
Post by: Hedge on April 16, 2010, 11:01:18 am
 :popcornsoda:
Title: Re: Noise Diagnosis (with video)
Post by: Saint Steve on April 16, 2010, 04:47:31 pm
 :popcornsoda:
Title: Re: Noise Diagnosis (with video)
Post by: andrewparker on April 16, 2010, 05:03:26 pm
Car isn't going to be back until Monday now. The water pump was leaking (apparently), so they need to order that in.

Got a Beetle for the weekend :ashamed:
Title: Re: Noise Diagnosis (with video)
Post by: andrewparker on April 17, 2010, 09:02:53 pm
Got the car back this morning, it was the cam belt after all :grin:

So new water pump, cam belt and cam belt tensioner have now been fitted and the car feels great.

Title: Re: Noise Diagnosis (with video)
Post by: Saint Steve on April 17, 2010, 09:05:25 pm
 :congrats: :congrats:

 :P
Title: Re: Noise Diagnosis (with video)
Post by: cuzmk5 on April 17, 2010, 09:46:22 pm
i had the same noise as that, turned out to be faulty water pump, had cambelt + tensioner and aux belt changed aswell. mine was all done under warranty tho.