MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: gobbleplease on April 20, 2010, 08:22:52 pm
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Ive been reading every giac and revo thread everywhere for the last few nights !
Ive been told that i would be sorted with a giac remap ! the trouble is i wanted revo !
My bolt ons are exhaust, s3 intercooler and ITG intake. Im not sure what im going to do though ? has anyone here had experiance with both revo and giac, or just giac ? what do you think of the giac ?
I know mosts opinions of revo and its all good im not sure about the giac, as ive heard a few people say its a bit jerky in its delivery.
Im only going to apply one map so if i was to get the giac and not like it then want the revo i wouldnt be spending another £600 on the revo as id just stick with the giac !
the differance in prices is going to be £350 cheaper for the giac due to the deal im getting if this would help make up anyones mind !
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With HPPF, apr cooler, Full Milltek and ITG Im also trying to decide between GIAC & Revo
Where is so cheep for GIAC?
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i had revo on my last car and giac on this and have to say i prefer GIAC, in no way was the power jurky and gives the same performance as revo, it also allows you to change maps on the move. you wont regret it!! there are a few guys on the seat forum contemplating switching their cars from revo to giac
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cant compare maps as not had giac, but from your list of mods and in particularly the ITG intake you have, revo use it on their development st2+ k1, but I believe giac specifically request a vf intake for their extreme map
i have had no complaints with revo, the adjustability of the select plus switch is great, especially if you plan on getting extra mods like water/meth, k03/4 actuator etc
as for performance from looking at the 2.0tfsi 1/4 mile top 20 - i believe its 18/20 are all revo
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,9380.0.html (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,9380.0.html)
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REVO !!!... more aggressive.. what you want in any car imho... especially if its a hot hatch :laugh:
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Ive been reading every giac and revo thread everywhere for the last few nights !
Ive been told that i would be sorted with a giac remap ! the trouble is i wanted revo !
My bolt ons are exhaust, s3 intercooler and ITG intake. Im not sure what im going to do though ? has anyone here had experiance with both revo and giac, or just giac ? what do you think of the giac ?
I know mosts opinions of revo and its all good im not sure about the giac, as ive heard a few people say its a bit jerky in its delivery.
Im only going to apply one map so if i was to get the giac and not like it then want the revo i wouldnt be spending another £600 on the revo as id just stick with the giac !
the differance in prices is going to be £350 cheaper for the giac due to the deal im getting if this would help make up anyones mind !
evening......
i had giac stage 1 and a evoms intake fitted at the same time about 2 weeks ago,not jerky at all pretty smooth.
the car has gone from a quickish car to a very very fast car, my two previous cars were 911 4s and m3 e46 and i would say my now
moddified edition 30 could easily keep up with them if not beat them!!! :pomppomp:
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Mike its just a deal im getting with the giac mate, it wont be available to anyone else. The money im saving on the giac remap would get me an autotech HPFP and i believe with giac i should be pushing 290bhp which sounds good to me, the main reason i was thinking revo was due to the customer services and reliability, im not too bothered about head line figures! i just want a smooth progressive drive thats reliable, saying that ive not heard of any reliability issues with giac, i also believe they run less aggressive settings so thats got to be better for reliability, even though there are no issues with revo !
I do like the custom set ups of revo and i think people rate the power delivery better.
Anyone got any links or reasons why th cupra guys are wanting to change from revo to giac Ta !
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depends which map you are comparing to each other. if you compare GAIC extreme + to revo 2+ i would defo say GIAC is the more aggressive of the to for sure, as for power outputs, no 2 cars have been put side by side yet with the above tuning on similar cars. depends what you want out of your car... giac is changable on the move where as revo needs to be stopped and fiddled about with, Revo on the other hand can be specifcally tunned for WMI etc which is great... nothing to choose between the 2 in performance i would say. both are :driver:
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Giac for me mate :happy2: As already been said can change maps on the move and power delivery is awesome :innocent:
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Ive been reading every giac and revo thread everywhere for the last few nights !
Ive been told that i would be sorted with a giac remap ! the trouble is i wanted revo !
My bolt ons are exhaust, s3 intercooler and ITG intake. Im not sure what im going to do though ? has anyone here had experiance with both revo and giac, or just giac ? what do you think of the giac ?
I know mosts opinions of revo and its all good im not sure about the giac, as ive heard a few people say its a bit jerky in its delivery.
Im only going to apply one map so if i was to get the giac and not like it then want the revo i wouldnt be spending another £600 on the revo as id just stick with the giac !
the differance in prices is going to be £350 cheaper for the giac due to the deal im getting if this would help make up anyones mind !
i have revo, and if I could choose again I would go for GIAC
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I've just got REVO and it is amazing, can't comment on GIAC although i did look into it... Jonny c goes REVO so thats good enough for me haha :ashamed:
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I don't think you'd be disappointed with either of them mate TBH. I have had Revo on all of my turbo charged cars and don't think i'll ever change as I have always been more than happy with both the performance and customer service..
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thanks for the info guys ! im booked in for May 1st for a giac remap, and intercooler :happy2:
Im getting too good a deal on the giac to go for Revo !
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thanks for the info guys ! im booked in for May 1st for a giac remap, and intercooler :happy2:
Im getting too good a deal on the giac to go for Revo !
With such an even opinion it makes perfect sense to go for best value for money!
I love the idea of REVOs adjustability. But in honesty dont think I understand what changes to make to timing fuelin and boost under which conditions to get the best out of my car :(
Still going to give GIAC Vs REVO some thought.
Giac extreme plus would mean I need the Vf intake, meaning another costly intake swap... :sad1:
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thanks for the info guys ! im booked in for May 1st for a giac remap, and intercooler :happy2:
Im getting too good a deal on the giac to go for Revo !
With such an even opinion it makes perfect sense to go for best value for money!
I love the idea of REVOs adjustability. But in honesty dont think I understand what changes to make to timing fuelin and boost under which conditions to get the best out of my car :(
Still going to give GIAC Vs REVO some thought.
Giac extreme plus would mean I need the Vf intake, meaning another costly intake swap... :sad1:
Its a recommendation surely.
If both intakes can flow just as much, but just get ITG to knock up a modded maf housing up to 3 inch for you maybe?
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Let us know how it goes :happy2:
I love the idea of the flash loader and being able to swap maps on the move :driver:
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VF is a requirement for extreme + as it is 3" directly to the inlet. I am not sure there are any other intakes like this on the market,its costling me £400+ but the car will be rapid so its worth it in my eyes...
Anyway revo and giac are very similar and both have + points and - points... go for the cheap option mate, you defo wont be disappointed
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VF is a requirement for extreme + as it is 3" directly to the inlet. I am not sure there are any other intakes like this on the market,its costling me £400+ but the car will be rapid so its worth it in my eyes...
Anyway revo and giac are very similar and both have + points and - points... go for the cheap option mate, you defo wont be disappointed
The inlet on the turbo is massively reduced though, so it will have to taper down, if ITG can make a 3 inch maf housing that would in theory be a full 3 inch intake.
VF engineering are also in bed with GIAC which might be worth noting.
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correct, but they have specifically made the map to run with the VF intake, im not saying in needs to be VF but certainly 3" all the way through, i prefer the look of the VF over the ITG as i think it looks better built, im not saying it is though.
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correct, but they have specifically made the map to run with the VF intake, im not saying in needs to be VF but certainly 3" all the way through, i prefer the look of the VF over the ITG as i think it looks better built, im not saying it is though.
Well I can definetly agree that the VF has some aspects on it that I think would have been a desireable addition to the ITG such as utlising the stock ram air and the fact that its bends more smoothley than the ITG and therefore should have less drag.
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Surely the Bsh true seal intake can't be far off in design to the vf?! :confused: I'm running it on the ed30 and 1 of the mates runs a vf on his s3 and both look indentical apart from the air tray for the bsh being a better design! :smiley:
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The maps on a TFSi are all load based, and wether the MAF housing is 2" or 4" is irrelevant as the main regulator to airflow is the size of the intake on the turbo, not the size of pipework behind it. If the map sees a difference between one intake an another, which would be minimal anyway than the ECU will use the MAF signals to alter timing/fuel accordingly.
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has anyone got any pics of this vf custom extra large k04 intake which is required for the extreme file as I have had a little search and cant find anything about it..
vf/giac website is poop and all i could find was a few topics saying - a mate of a mates' car in greece dynoed 390hp and my other mate had it and it was soooo fast..
but no pics, dyno's, 1/4mile times for this elusive map
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correct, but they have specifically made the map to run with the VF intake, im not saying in needs to be VF but certainly 3" all the way through, i prefer the look of the VF over the ITG as i think it looks better built, im not saying it is though.
Well I can definetly agree that the VF has some aspects on it that I think would have been a desireable addition to the ITG such as utlising the stock ram air and the fact that its bends more smoothley than the ITG and therefore should have less drag.
The filter on the VF oe is really small in comparison to the ITG/evoms/and 2 filters of the twintake. now if it is getting gains similar to them with a much reduced surface area, is it at the expense of filtration?????
Also take into account the ITG has a larger diameter pipework after the maf housing to ensure that drag is not an issue through the bends, and the silicone pipe connecting to the turbo also blends into the lip on the turbo to stop disruption of air as it enters the turbo(theres a 5+mm lip on the turbo)
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thats what i mean, people BIG up maps even before the results have been published, so when it come to the true results being released everyone feels let down, all i know is that it feels bloody quick when i was in the test car.
i am getting the VF large cone for my car but i dont think it is any larger than the ITG to be honest, all i know is thats made from the mesh type filter rather than foam like the ITG...
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Before plumping for revo, I spoke to Austin at GIAC - the figure quoted on their web site had not been seen elsewhere in europe.
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what is the figures quoted mate, and what are the actual figures found in europe :happy2:
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The extreme map as mentioned earlier was made for the Audi S3 but has been added to several other VW's now. Not a lot of tuners advertise it, the race map as well, most tuners will shy away from the quoted 330 figures that GIAC quote but none the less I have been very happy with both my maps, another thing worth mentioning is that you can have valet mode added wherby the car will be de-tuned to 150bhp if memory serves me right?
I think and someone can correct me here but I have been running with the GIAC files maybe the longest on on here laterly with a Dbilas wich is a 3" pipe ??
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i have had the GIAC race file on my car for 2 years along side the dbilas but im pretty sure its 2.75 all the way through to turbo. still a good bit of kit though...
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Had GIAC pump and race maps for 2 years also :happy2:
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The GIAC race map reputed to be comparable with revo stage2+ hasn't been out for 2 years.
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I run the GIAC extreme flash with all supporting mods and i currently am pushing the most power out of all K04s in Australia. I achieved 206.4kw atw, whilst another person who ran a custom GIAC map with all extreme hardware and race fuel on his k04 converted GTI got around 202kw. An APR k04 converted GTI got 178kw.
I'd post a build thread but not sure you guys would be interested hahah
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I run the GIAC extreme flash with all supporting mods and i currently am pushing the most power out of all K04s in Australia. I achieved 206.4kw atw, whilst another person who ran a custom GIAC map with all extreme hardware and race fuel on his k04 converted GTI got around 202kw. An APR k04 converted GTI got 178kw.
I'd post a build thread but not sure you guys would be interested hahah
not really interested in dyno numbers mate as its all a lottery.. have you got any peformance figures 1/4m, 0-100 or 30-130mph..
though i would be interested in seeing pics of the vf large k04 intake which is required for the extreme map
you got any?
also - i take it this extreme file requires race fuel to acheive those numbers, do you always fill up with race fuel if not what figures do you get on normal fuel?
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not really interested in dyno numbers mate as its all a lottery.. have you got any peformance figures 1/4m, 0-100 or 30-130mph..
though i would be interested in seeing pics of the vf large k04 intake which is required for the extreme map
you got any?
nope no performance figures, no hardware to do it, cbf going 1/4 because there are stories of VW representatives taking down rego and vin numbers down and voiding warranty completely.
Here are some of my iphone pics, i am not sure if the tubing is 3inches but im pretty sure they are 4inchs because they are MASSIVE!
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fw134%2Fsuprizepackidge%2Fvfintake2.jpg&hash=e456fc929d8aff41997dc2660c3da22fe70b067d)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fw134%2Fsuprizepackidge%2Fvfintake.jpg&hash=c468ea7c5d3dd8ba0e5dd975efcb81214b8f500a)
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also - i take it this extreme file requires race fuel to acheive those numbers, do you always fill up with race fuel if not what figures do you get on normal fuel?
no race fuel used on mine, i run standard 98ron petrol
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intake looks a nice bit of kit but not as large as I was expecting it to be as it looks smaller than the ITG one that alot of us are running
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,9698.0.html (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,9698.0.html)
re 1/4 mile - i very much doubt vw honchos are sat there at the finish line jotting down each of your reg numbers and crossing your car off the waranty list :signLOL:
get yourself down there you pansy and prove your dyno numbers :party:
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intake looks a nice bit of kit but not as large as I was expecting it to be as it looks smaller than the ITG one that alot of us are running
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,9698.0.html (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,9698.0.html)
re 1/4 mile - i very much doubt vw honchos are sat there at the finish line jotting down each of your reg numbers and crossing your car off the waranty list :signLOL:
get yourself down there you pansy and prove your dyno numbers :party:
hmmm never seen that ITG intake before even on the other forums, does look very interesting BUT the extreme map was meant only for the vf k04 intake.
And there has already been a story on the forum and my mechanic has told me where a member took his car down the quarter mile and he tried for a warrantly claim and they showed him photos of his car at the strip and voided his warranty. Also heard Many suburu representatives are there as well so thats enough evidence for me :grin:
I have a stutter problem atm that i am in the process of fixing then coilovers, wheels, cosmetic bits, etc
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Would love to see how VW could legally refuse a warranty claim on say a seat belt tensioner because they know the owner has put his foot down for a 1/4 mile :grin:
I know insurance company reps are quite regular at some track days, but that is a different story entirely. The most wearable parts that get a little hammer from 1/4 mile racing are things like clutches and tyres etc which aren't warrantable anyway.
If all else fails, stick a show plate on whilst running.. :wink:
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Would they void the warranty if you did the same at a set of traffic lights? :rolleye:
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Would they void the warranty if you did the same at a set of traffic lights? :rolleye:
That's exactly what I said happened when my DMF went :signLOL:
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In the vw warranty does it state that the warranty is void if taken on track, if it does they have a case if not they don't.
It's the same with insurance and the nurburgring it must be stated on the document that you are not insured for the ring or you can take it that you are, as it's a public road.
It certainly doesn't say anything about track days on my warranty and if they did void it, I'd be going fcukin mental :rolleye:
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I must admit im not a fan on the look of the VF intake.
Surely the only way this intake can make equivalent gains to the evoms/ITG/forge with a filter that is MUCH smaller, is by reducing the filtration to allow more air in. Maybe the filter material is of a better design, i dont know. But IMO the only reason the VF is needed is purely due to the 3" diameter of the MAF housing.
If i was tempted to go GIAC extreme route and currently had an ITG intake id be asking ANDY@ITG to knock me up a 3" MAF housing.
As you can see from this pic nearly the whole system is 3" anyway. It was designed this way to alleviate the extra air resistance that a constant diameter pipe creates in the 90 degree bends.
All you would need him to do is the MAF housing, a turbo/MAF housing silicone pipe and a connecter hosefor the right hand side. Plus id bet thios would be a cheaper option than buying a whole new intake if you want to go GIAC
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FStevep_010%2Fitg%2FIMG_2902.jpg&hash=d4493f659ee36e11d0e49804ae9625e754ab0337)
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Would they void the warranty if you did the same at a set of traffic lights? :rolleye:
VW carnt possably make a car like a gti and state figures of 0-60 in 6secs or whatever it is then say, oh wait if you actually do that then your warrenties void so ha :P.
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Do any other maps apr / revo etc benefit from the RS4 regulator valve? Want to gather some info before the weekend as im going to try and squeeze some modifing in saturday!
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lol mike, millionaires weekend :grin:
iirc djhorice and hurdy have the rs4 valve and both have revo