MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: QD MBE on April 22, 2010, 08:05:48 pm
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As above, i have passed this by the Guvnor, and he is happy for a feeler thread to be started in this section.
Over the past week, I have been in dialogue with a VW Trade contact I have, for other parts, and I have been offered a decent price on full sets of MK2 TT front lower arms (alloy with an amount of camber adjustment), including all bolts, ball joints and locking plates.
I can do the full set including postage to you for £370, or if ypu want to collect £360.
As I say, just a feeler...........
Edit - The TT Ball joints are different than S3 and GTI versions. The TT Ball joints are slotted to allow the camber adjust.
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From Etka Audi TT ball joints
8J0 407 365(LT) and 8J0 407 366(RT)
Ed30
1J0 407 365 and 366, I think they are the same............
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Depends on your timescales Dave, I want mine on and fitted before the Ring on the 20th. Workable?
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To late i have just recieved mine :sad1:
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Depends on your timescales Dave, I want mine on and fitted before the Ring on the 20th. Workable?
Mike I reckon so, i can them in single sets, or any multiples. I checked yesterday and they were available in the UK so should be fairly swift to be honest.
I will get them as soon as in, and they will be posted the same day vis DHL/FedEx or RM whichever is best for the buyer.
D
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To late i have just recieved mine :sad1:
TBH Jake I was trying to get the deal sorted so I could possibly help you, but it came too late mate.
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Okay, cheers Dave - I'm waiting on my first point of enquiry coming back but that's a great deal. Will let you know.
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To late i have just recieved mine :sad1:
TBH Jake I was trying to get the deal sorted so I could possibly help you, but it came too late mate.
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thx, :drinking: i still owe you a beer :wink:
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To late i have just recieved mine :sad1:
TBH Jake I was trying to get the deal sorted so I could possibly help you, but it came too late mate.
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thx, :drinking: i still owe you a beer :wink:
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For those of us that aren't so savvy with such things, what would these do for us?
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For those of us that aren't so savvy with such things, what would these do for us?
Unsprung weight saving and at the same time a bit of camber adjustment as the holes for the lower ball joint is elongated, which means your center of gravity is'nt made worse as with top fitted camberplates, ( so i believe) :grin:
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For those of us that aren't so savvy with such things, what would these do for us?
the ability to run an extra 0.5o negaive camber wiull give a huge grip increase when cornering whilst ensuring that tyre wear wil not be compromised. As well as this they are lighter in weight than the std ones, and being unsprung weight as well means even more benefit in the handling from the weight loss alone.
these would probably be on par with fitting an uprated rear arb to your car, so if you ran these with all the other suspension mods such as those ran by RR it would make a very capable car an absolute weapon
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does anyone know if these can be fitted to the leon cupra, i though they were aluminium as standard, if not i might be very interested mate
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yes they will fit no issues at all. you are also correct that you have the aluminium control arms already as does te S3. used to counteract the additional weight of the 345mm brakes.
however the ball joints are fixed and non adjustable. the question is ould you need to renew the lot or just fit the TT ball joints. ask Jonnyc think he had them fitted to both his Ed30 and S3
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i see, hopefully he will be along to answer the question!
cheers
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Another Leon question. Will these fit the Leon TDI seeing its the same car chassis wise?
Alex
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cant see why not tbh. they fit the vRS and as far as i know the vRS TDI shares the same suspension as the vRS TFSI. might be worth checking the part numbers on etka for the tdi and tfsi lower control arms
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does anyone know how the ball joints are fitted to the TT arms? i know the standard ball joints have 3 fixing bolts attached but the TT ball joints dont???
http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/showthread.php?71940-TT-suspension-arms-fitted-to-my-A3!!!&highlight=tt+lower+control+arms
see the differance on the 3rd and 4th pictures.
cheers
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cant see why not tbh. they fit the vRS and as far as i know the vRS TDI shares the same suspension as the vRS TFSI. might be worth checking the part numbers on etka for the tdi and tfsi lower control arms
That is what I thought too. Does anyone have access to etka to check?
Might be interested if it does fit.
Alex
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Right, having seen a set of TT arms up close, you will need to buy the TT Ball joints too, as the camber adjustment is in the Ball joints.
The ball joints are bolted to the Lower wishbones.
First post is now amended.
D
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the difference is the elongated holes in the ball joints. if your std cupra arms are identical to the tt lower arms it could be a direct swap.
this is the TT arm lower control arm number 8J0 407 151 D(same part number for each side).
get someone with etka to see what the part# is for the cupra ones
post#3 shows al the parts required. the only extra youi would need if your arms are the same would be the bolts, the ball joints and the ball joint locking plates
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,13520.0.html
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so you just need 6 standard nuts and bolts to fix them together?
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and the lock plate. but you need to confirm that your lower arms are the same. if not the holes might not line up correctly
that last link i posted has the the part#'s for all the kit required
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and the lock plate. but you need to confirm that your lower arms are the same. if not the holes might not line up correctly
I think we may have stumbled on a cheap way of adding camber to the Cupra/S3. Just add TT balljoints and lock plates.
The P/N's are the same! So should fit!
I can do the ball joints, bolts and lock plates separately........................... Will come up with a quote too!
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jammy gits.
@ owenLCR you should maybe post this on SCN as im sure there would be alot of guys interested. You never know prices could get dropped further still.
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and the lock plate. but you need to confirm that your lower arms are the same. if not the holes might not line up correctly
I think we may have stumbled on a cheap way of adding camber to the Cupra/S3. Just add TT balljoints and lock plates.
The P/N's are the same! So should fit!
I can do the ball joints, bolts and lock plates separately........................... Will come up with a quote too!
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Was just thinkin that :smiley:
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Will get a quote tomorrow.
D
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@ STOKEBALLOON ~ superb, if you can get prices for me mate that would be great. As VRSY says i will need to double check P/N's but i am nearlt positive that the arms are the same on cupra/s3.
@ VRSY yeah mate i will do, looks like this could work out a cracking mod for well under £100
cheers chaps
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jammy gits.
@ owenLCR you should maybe post this on SCN as im sure there would be alot of guys interested. You never know prices could get dropped further still.
This would be an awesome cheap mod if all goes to plan and im sure there would at least 10 on scn interested :jumpmove: :jumpmove: :jumpmove:.
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tried to post a note on the seat forum but it got deleted as it was apparently a group buy, even although it was just a note pointing them to this thread :sad1:
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I've got a set of 345mm brakes ready to go on, but am holding back because of the increased weight. I was thinking of fitting the Cupra lower control arms to save the weight that I will gain. Don;t want to go to the expense of getting all the ball joints and stuff ....so does this mean that if the Cupra lower arms are the same as the TT lower arms they should have the same ball joints as standard also meaning that I need to but the TT ball joints?
Does anyone actually understand what I just said??? :rolleye:
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tried to post a note on the seat forum but it got deleted as it was apparently a group buy, even although it was just a note pointing them to this thread :sad1:
They seem a bit funny with that kind of thing. Have you spoke to the admins im sure Al posted a link for the BSH catch can thingy and they didnt delete that.
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I've got a set of 345mm brakes ready to go on, but am holding back because of the increased weight. I was thinking of fitting the Cupra lower control arms to save the weight that I will gain. Don;t want to go to the expense of getting all the ball joints and stuff ....so does this mean that if the Cupra lower arms are the same as the TT lower arms they should have the same ball joints as standard also meaning that I need to but the TT ball joints?
Does anyone actually understand what I just said??? :rolleye:
As said before if the cupra/s3 lower arms are indeed the same as the TT lower control arms, then all you will need is the ball joints, lock plates and bolts.
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I'm seriously interested in these (before I found this thread I asked someone to get me a price for some earlier today as Hurdy had suggested the mod).
I could collect mine from you, QD.
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i am also going to phone audi aberdeen for a price aswell just to see if there is a differance between them and the one STOKEBALLOON is calling
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I've got a set of 345mm brakes ready to go on, but am holding back because of the increased weight. I was thinking of fitting the Cupra lower control arms to save the weight that I will gain. Don;t want to go to the expense of getting all the ball joints and stuff ....so does this mean that if the Cupra lower arms are the same as the TT lower arms they should have the same ball joints as standard also meaning that I need to but the TT ball joints?
Does anyone actually understand what I just said??? :rolleye:
As said before if the cupra/s3 lower arms are indeed the same as the TT lower control arms, then all you will need is the ball joints, lock plates and bolts.
The Cupra bits can't be the the same bar the actual control arms otherwise why are the cupra boys chasing the bal joints etc?
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I've got a set of 345mm brakes ready to go on, but am holding back because of the increased weight. I was thinking of fitting the Cupra lower control arms to save the weight that I will gain. Don;t want to go to the expense of getting all the ball joints and stuff ....so does this mean that if the Cupra lower arms are the same as the TT lower arms they should have the same ball joints as standard also meaning that I need to but the TT ball joints?
Does anyone actually understand what I just said??? :rolleye:
As said before if the cupra/s3 lower arms are indeed the same as the TT lower control arms, then all you will need is the ball joints, lock plates and bolts.
The Cupra bits can't be the the same bar the actual control arms otherwise why are the cupra boys chasing the bal joints etc?
They are the same bars, the Cupra/S3 has the 345mm brake set up which is heavy so to counter that they are already fitted with the lightweight TT arms and so technically the TT ball joints should slot straight in and hay presto 0.5 degrees camber the reason why we want the ball joints :happy2:.
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So to confirm the Cupra has the TT lower control arms but not the ball joints?
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So to confirm the Cupra has the TT lower control arms but not the ball joints?
They have the lightweight Ali control arms which is the same PN as the TT arms so whopefully the adjustable ball joints will fit :jumping:
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I'm wondering if the Cupra lower arms are sold cheaper than the TT's because of the Audi badge. They should cost the same if the same part # though.
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I'm wondering if the Cupra lower arms are sold cheaper than the TT's because of the Audi badge. They should cost the same if the same part # though.
You might be on to something there Robin, ill get a price for the Cupra arms from Seremotors on scn hes always miles cheaper than any dealer then all you should need are the ball joints etc :happy2:.
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rob beat me to it. i was going to mention the guy from seremotors seat. he seems extremely helpful in getting stuff for guys.
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Just to confirm the PN he needs is 8J0 407 151 D.
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I'm wondering if the Cupra lower arms are sold cheaper than the TT's because of the Audi badge. They should cost the same if the same part # though.
You might be on to something there Robin, ill get a price for the Cupra arms from Seremotors on scn hes always miles cheaper than any dealer then all you should need are the ball joints etc :happy2:.
....This is the list of parts which 'danish' Sy posted in another thread as needed:
1- Lower control arm:
Amount required=2 total, 1 per side
Part number=8J0 407 151 D (same part number for each side)
2- Bolt to attach lower arm (dont know exact name for it):
Amount required= 2 total, 1 per side
Part Number=N 101 410 03
3- Ball Joints:
Amount required= 2 total, 1 per side
Part number= 8J0 407 365 (LEFT SIDE), 8J0 407 366 (RIGHT SIDE)
4- Ball Joint bolts:
Amount required= 6 total, (3 per side)
Part Number= N103 320 02
5- Ball Joint Lock Plates:
Amount required= 2 total, 1 each side
Part number= 8J0 407 175 (176)
^ Is this still correct for the Mk5 GTI? ^
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how rude that was me lol.
They were the part numbers for the kit i bought in germany from an audi dealership
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Ive sent him a pm also said there might be quite a few who wanted them incase he can do a group buy on them.
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how rude that was me lol.
They were the part numbers for the kit i bought in germany from an audi dealership
....Sorry, Sy - Now corrected.
I suggest we start a provisonal list (with car model) so a quantity becomes known:
[please copy+paste and add name as usual]:
1 - RedRobin (Mk5 Golf GTI)
2 -
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I am onto my contact to get the price slightly keener. I you wish to try Sere then i would ask that someone else take over the running of the GB.
I will post the prices later this morning.
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I am onto my contact to get the price slightly keener. I you wish to try Sere then i would ask that someone else take over the running of the GB.
I will post the prices later this morning.
....I assume that if someone else (not me) checks out Sere but your source's price is keener, then you would be happy to continue this from a feeler into a GB, Dave?
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i am happy for you to continue Stokeballoon afterall it was your thread, also i spoke to dave at seres yesterday regarding an audi battery box and he said he could not order any audi part numbers, only seat?
let me know what price you get mate
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1 - RedRobin (Mk5 Golf GTI)
2 - Owen lcr (Mk2 leon cupra) ~ ball joints/bolts/plate only
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1 - RedRobin (Mk5 Golf GTI)
2 - Owen lcr (Mk2 leon cupra) ~ ball joints/bolts/plate only
3 - DjHorace (Mk2 leon cupra) ~ ball joints/bolts/plate only
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Is there a price on Cupra - ball joints/bolts/plate only.
Cheers!
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not yet mike, stokeballoon is in the process of getting prices for us, think it will be sub £100 though
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1 - RedRobin (Mk5 Golf GTI) ~ complete set with fixings
2 - Owen lcr (Mk2 leon cupra) ~ ball joints/bolts/plate only
3 - DjHorace (Mk2 leon cupra) ~ ball joints/bolts/plate only
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At a later stage when price and source settled, this will get converted to a new GB thread as our esteemed administrator Steve has, I understand, approved.
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David from SERE can get upto 40% off for some parts if thats the case put me down for some Cupra lower control arms ONLY please.
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Just had the quotes back.
I have looked on etka and a MY10 Audi TT does not specify bolts to fit the ball joints, so it must be the arms that are slotted, confused? so am I. However, I am thinking the picture is a generic picture, the picture over on ASN shows the correct part number to be slotted. So, I am happy to supply kits with bolts as already briefed.
I have got the whole kit down to £350 posted, this is allowing for VAT and postage (£10 If any less then I will refund). This includes both arms, both ball joints, bolts and locking plates. collection is an option.
There are in stock at VW UK warehouse, so are available. I cannot get any further price reduction with bigger numbers, so I happy to order as required, and will ship as required.
The ball joint only kit works out at £100.80 posted (again assuming £10 post). This includes both ball joints, bolts and locking plates. The Ball joints are quite dear, allied with VAT. Tried hard to get this down to below £100. If I can get postage for £5 then £95. No longer available.
I have quoted postage as using DHL/Fedex as I can post everyday, and can only get to the Post office at weekends.
Hope all that makes sense.
SB
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ok, so just to confirm we will be getting "slotted" ball joints mate?
if so can i order a set of ball joints/locking plates/and bolts for £100.80, how do i go about ordering them :jumpmove:
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Good effort mate!
I have an intermittent missfire / flatspot to fix hopefully Ive got it sorted in time to get in on this!
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Just a note for anyone wanting to do the balljoint only method, seems the TT balljoint is not an exact fit to the oem S3/Cupra arms without some slight modification to both the balljoint and the control arm? Seems to then render the camber adjustment fixed thereafter too?
Jon-Tfsi is also a member on here too i think so may be best to get his input :happy2:
http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=227110&page=2
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ok, so just to confirm we will be getting "slotted" ball joints mate?
if so can i order a set of ball joints/locking plates/and bolts for £100.80, how do i go about ordering them :jumpmove:
I have qouted on the following part numbers
8J0 407 365 and 8J0 407 366. The pic (taken from ASN) below depicts one side - 365.
PM'd Owen
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fhatmeow%2FA3_Build_Thread%2FMay09d.jpg&hash=7451236f09b68a0128cf73cdb766c7aeebcc795f)
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Given Beddie's find, I think the ball-joint only method is not the way forward.
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:sad1: :sad1: thought it was to good to be true, never mind... looks like i will just need to get a set of top mounts instead
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the better(albeit more expensive option) would be to still get a set of the TT lower arms and ball joints for that extra negative camber, and then get a set of top mounts that are caster adjustable and realy increase the caster. caster is better for a fast road setup than the negative camber. additional caster is what makes the walk such a good mod
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arnt there top mounts availible that are camber and caster adjustable
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no idea mate tbh. tonydanza or jonny might be bale to help you there
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arnt there top mounts availible that are camber and caster adjustable
KW makes a set, but for their clubsport springs, smaller diameter than stock and most aftermarket springs, i'm in the proces of getting parts made so they fit my KW V3 :happy2:
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Just a note for anyone wanting to do the balljoint only method, seems the TT balljoint is not an exact fit to the oem S3/Cupra arms without some slight modification to both the balljoint and the control arm? Seems to then render the camber adjustment fixed thereafter too?
....Obviously as a GTI owner I'm only interested to know that the TT items in this GB will fit my car. I'm now a little confused by the S3/Cupra input.
So, can anyone confirm that the parts listed for the GB will in fact fit my 06-build GTI without possibly inadvisable modifications, please?
Stokey, are you considering these for your Ed30?
the better(albeit more expensive option) would be to still get a set of the TT lower arms and ball joints for that extra negative camber, and then get a set of top mounts that are caster adjustable and realy increase the caster. caster is better for a fast road setup than the negative camber. additional caster is what makes the walk such a good mod
....As you know, I already have the WALK giving additional caster plus the KW-V3's. For my use (fast road + occasional trackday, mostly Nordschleife) I don't need the less durable(?) KW Clubsport or the expense of adding top mounts.
Good advice though, Sy :happy2:
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robin they are a direct fit to your car, ask Jonny cos he had these on his ed 30. You will need everything pon that list of parts though.
the cupra guys thought they could get away with using their existing lower control arms, however as it seems they are in fact slightly different, so tey will no doubt need everything as well.
I don't need the less durable(?) KW Clubsport or the expense of adding top mounts.
from the research i did prior to buying the tt arms, i found that top mounts were about the same cost as the tt arms.
i remember reading somewhere that jonnyC used both the tt arms and top mounts, as it made the cars roll centre better. im not to offay with roll centres, all i know that if the roll centre is out the handling will become worse.
maybe someone like JC or tonydanza could explain the ins and outs of roll centres on cars
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RR,
As Sy alludes to, the issue for the Cupra/S3 boys is the fact that the S3/Cupra lower arm is slightly different to the MK2 TT arm, therefore the 'cheap' option we thought may work (buying the ball joints only) is in fact not available to them without (IMO) unsafe modifications to the current alloy S3/Cupra lower arms. So if the S3/Cupra boys want (Safe) adjustable camber, then the MK2 TT arms and ball joints are also required.
The GTI however has steel lower arms, and to add camber to the GTI you need to fit the whole package (TT Lower arms and Ball Joints), and then you will benefit from much lighter wishbones and add some adjustable camber.
So for either the s3/Cupra/Gti to gain adjustable camber you will need the whole kit.
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The GTI however has steel lower arms, and to add camber to the GTI you need to fit the whole package (TT Lower arms and Ball Joints), and then you will benefit from much lighter wishbones and add some adjustable camber.
....Just what I need - A minor tweak to the camber such that my wheel arches accommodate the tyres better when pushing on, yet without compromising tyre wear, plus of course the further improved handling on trackdays. Any weight saving is not something I seek but is nevertheless a bonus.
Does the provisional list need revising, gentlemen?
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The GTI however has steel lower arms, and to add camber to the GTI you need to fit the whole package (TT Lower arms and Ball Joints), and then you will benefit from much lighter wishbones and add some adjustable camber.
....Just what I need - A minor tweak to the camber such that my wheel arches accommodate the tyres better when pushing on, yet without compromising tyre wear, plus of course the further improved handling on trackdays. Any weight saving is not something I seek but is nevertheless a bonus.
Does the provisional list need revising, gentlemen?
RR, you know you need them, no idea in denying it :grin: :booty:
http://www.seiboncarbon-uk.com/pdut_detail_pic.asp?ItemID=671
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Would the Cupra / S3 control arms fit the ED30 without the TT ball joints purely on a weight saving basis?
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RR, you know you need them, no idea in denying it :grin: :booty:
http://www.seiboncarbon-uk.com/pdut_detail_pic.asp?ItemID=671
....Barsturd son of a so-and-so!! Why did you have to post that!?
I suppose that if you need to ask how much they are, you can't afford them. No price on the linked page.
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RR, you know you need them, no idea in denying it :grin: :booty:
http://www.seiboncarbon-uk.com/pdut_detail_pic.asp?ItemID=671
....Barsturd son of a so-and-so!! Why did you have to post that!?
I suppose that if you need to ask how much they are, you can't afford them. No price on the linked page.
Wings (left and right) £640.00 (for a pair) These are 100mm wider than OEM, quote from Seibon uk. :innocent:
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When are they going to make Cupra ones :sad1: :sad1:
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Wings (left and right) £640.00 (for a pair) These are 100mm wider than OEM, quote from Seibon uk. :innocent:
....I think you meant to write 10mm wider?
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Wings (left and right) £640.00 (for a pair) These are 100mm wider than OEM, quote from Seibon uk. :innocent:
....I think you meant to write 10mm wider?
yup, i just C/P what the guy from seibon wrote to me, didn't notice the typo, but yes 10mm wider :innocent:
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Would the Cupra / S3 control arms fit the ED30 without the TT ball joints purely on a weight saving basis?
Yes they will fit fine using the standard ED30/GTi balljoint, well worth it for the weight saving and they also seem to give a little extra negative camber over the standard arms due to the slightly wider front track width they give :happy2:
Cupra arms are around £88 from the dealer
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Would the Cupra / S3 control arms fit the ED30 without the TT ball joints purely on a weight saving basis?
Yes they will fit fine using the standard ED30/GTi balljoint, well worth it for the weight saving and they also seem to give a little extra negative camber over the standard arms due to the slightly wider front track width they give :happy2:
Cupra arms are around £88 from the dealer
...........Cupra arms are quite a bit cheaper than TT arms. Not sure why?
D
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...........Cupra arms are quite a bit cheaper than TT arms. Not sure why?
D
No Audi tax on the Cupra ones Dave :signLOL:
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Would the Cupra / S3 control arms fit the ED30 without the TT ball joints purely on a weight saving basis?
Yes they will fit fine using the standard ED30/GTi balljoint, well worth it for the weight saving and they also seem to give a little extra negative camber over the standard arms due to the slightly wider front track width they give :happy2:
Cupra arms are around £88 from the dealer
...........Cupra arms are quite a bit cheaper than TT arms. Not sure why?
D
they are made of reused soda cans?? :grin:
reinforcing Seat's green image :signLOL:
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Cupra arms are around £88 from the dealer
...........Cupra arms are quite a bit cheaper than TT arms. Not sure why?
D
they are made of reused soda cans?? :grin:
reinforcing Seat's green image :signLOL:
....Don't you mean skoda cans? :evilgrin:
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Cupra arms are around £88 from the dealer
...........Cupra arms are quite a bit cheaper than TT arms. Not sure why?
D
they are made of reused soda cans?? :grin:
reinforcing Seat's green image :signLOL:
....Don't you mean skoda cans? :evilgrin:
Ups my mistake :grin:
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As previously stated, £350 for the full kit. This includes a % towards the forum (about £10 as agreed with Mr P), I can get the bits - You order today, you get in 3 days.
I think the difference in costs between the Seat arms and the TT arms is the extra machining required to take the TT ball joint.
I would like to do a GB for the forum, for forum users. i have a good 'in' to the whole VW Trade system, and can do any parts. Not looking to make a living, but it may just pay for the forum.
D
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Would the Cupra / S3 control arms fit the ED30 without the TT ball joints purely on a weight saving basis?
Yes they will fit fine using the standard ED30/GTi balljoint, well worth it for the weight saving and they also seem to give a little extra negative camber over the standard arms due to the slightly wider front track width they give :happy2:
Cupra arms are around £88 from the dealer
Cheers Beddie (and SB) anyone got a p/n of the Cupra arms, that what I'm going to get, Seems a good price as well. :smiley:
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As previously stated, £350 for the full kit. This includes a % towards the forum (about £10 as agreed with Mr P), I can get the bits - You order today, you get in 3 days.
I think the difference in costs between the Seat arms and the TT arms is the extra machining required to take the TT ball joint.
I would like to do a GB for the forum, for forum users. i have a good 'in' to the whole VW Trade system, and can do any parts. Not looking to make a living, but it may just pay for the forum.
D
....Nice one, D :drinking:
I can confirm early next week after I've worked out my shorter term financial commitments. I've got other stuff on order right now and needing doing (bonnet catch problem to solve, therefore AeroCatches) and was expecting not to buy the TT arms for 2-3 weeks.
Is this GB dependent on a minimum number of orders?
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As previously stated, £350 for the full kit. This includes a % towards the forum (about £10 as agreed with Mr P), I can get the bits - You order today, you get in 3 days.
I think the difference in costs between the Seat arms and the TT arms is the extra machining required to take the TT ball joint.
I would like to do a GB for the forum, for forum users. i have a good 'in' to the whole VW Trade system, and can do any parts. Not looking to make a living, but it may just pay for the forum.
D
No minimum orders required.
....Nice one, D :drinking:
I can confirm early next week after I've worked out my shorter term financial commitments. I've got other stuff on order right now and needing doing (bonnet catch problem to solve, therefore AeroCatches) and was expecting not to buy the TT arms for 2-3 weeks.
Is this GB dependent on a minimum number of orders?
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As previously stated, £350 for the full kit. This includes a % towards the forum (about £10 as agreed with Mr P), I can get the bits - You order today, you get in 3 days.
I think the difference in costs between the Seat arms and the TT arms is the extra machining required to take the TT ball joint.
I would like to do a GB for the forum, for forum users. i have a good 'in' to the whole VW Trade system, and can do any parts. Not looking to make a living, but it may just pay for the forum.
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No minimum orders required.
....Nice one, D :drinking:
I can confirm early next week after I've worked out my shorter term financial commitments. I've got other stuff on order right now and needing doing (bonnet catch problem to solve, therefore AeroCatches) and was expecting not to buy the TT arms for 2-3 weeks.
Is this GB dependent on a minimum number of orders?
Calling the Trade contact i have tomorrow, any orders? I can get any VAG part you require, however the postage on larger items would be the sticking point.
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Calling the Trade contact i have tomorrow, any orders? I can get any VAG part you require, however the postage on larger items would be the sticking point.
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....Tomorrow too soon for me to know - I don't want to muck you about. I should know how my cashflow is later in the week.
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Happy with that RR, just an opportune time to ask, let me know as and when you are ready, as stated the offer is not down to any numbers, just the deal I can get at any time, on any part.
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Happy with that RR, just an opportune time to ask, let me know as and when you are ready, as stated the offer is not down to any numbers, just the deal I can get at any time, on any part.
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i tell you what RR, your car will be excellent then.
all thats left to do is to fit aluminium hubs, and poly bush the front and rear completely. In fact sayng that, im suprised you haven't poly bushed everything already.
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i tell you what RR, your car will be excellent then.
all thats left to do is to fit aluminium hubs, and poly bush the front and rear completely. In fact sayng that, im suprised you haven't poly bushed everything already.
....The polybushing hasn't been ignored. I've been waiting for something new in the pipeline - I need to check if it's still going to happen. Thanks for the reminder.
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do tell RR, secrets aren't allowed on here
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do tell RR, secrets aren't allowed on here
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I absolutely can't.... Not yet, anyhow.
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robin they are a direct fit to your car, ask Jonny cos he had these on his ed 30. You will need everything pon that list of parts though.
i remember reading somewhere that jonnyC used both the tt arms and top mounts, as it made the cars roll centre better. im not to offay with roll centres, all i know that if the roll centre is out the handling will become worse.
maybe someone like JC or tonydanza could explain the ins and outs of roll centres on cars
....I just had a txt message from Jonny and he seems to be confirming what you have already suggested. Easier just to post his txt:
"...I would say TT bottom arms would be perfect really, [referring to my car] keeps the roll centre close to standard and would give you another 0.5 degrees, which if your saying you don't wana compromise tyre wear is about enough.. Also there ally so lowers unsprung weight.. Ahh sounds good."
"You will need the toes checking on the front end too when there installed.. Presume that VWR are doing them anyways so no worries.."
A bit of a no-brainer for me then. I can stay at the same ride height which is very schweet handling, solve my occasional arch rubbing, and feel other benefits on trackdays. It's just me the driver who needs further 'modifying' now - More in-car tuition.
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I am very tempted by these as the Mk6 has some real poverty spec press steel arms :sick:
Is there any point in getting the WALK kit if you're adding these???
Also I presume while your replacing them it's a good time to poly bush the arm's too???
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yes because the walk will give you additional caster which stiffens up the steering as well as providing dynamic camber upon cornering. the TT arms would give you the negative camber to enhance the setup further. id say you may as well change the bushes as well for the little oulay they are in comparison
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so ho has ordered them then??? anyone have them fitted yet
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so ho has ordered them then??? anyone have them fitted yet
mine are getting fitted this saturday, along with tt balljoints, 4X S3 hubs (thx Stokeballoon :happy2: ), wavetrac Lsd, sachs uprated clutchpack :pomppomp:
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Without wanting to confuse things further still - out of interest, what does the R32 use? It's has S3 brakes, but is a Golf not an S3/TT...?
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Id say it was exactly the same as the S3 and cupra. it would likely have the non adjustable aluminium lower arms,
so ho has ordered them then??? anyone have them fitted yet
mine are getting fitted this saturday, along with tt balljoints, 4X S3 hubs (thx Stokeballoon :happy2: ), wavetrac Lsd, sachs uprated clutchpack :pomppomp:
very nice
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is the group buy still open?
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Is anyone able to clarify what the situation is with R32 front suspension? I'm assuming its the same as the S3 but it would be nice to know for sure. If I can shed some weight, every little helps!
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is the group buy still open?
....stokeballoon has said that he's happy take single orders - It's posted earlier in this thread IIRC.
He's away at Nurburgring for a few days at the moment and returns some time next week.
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did he get a set fitted before going to the ring. Couldnt think of a better place to test it
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Is anyone able to clarify what the situation is with R32 front suspension? I'm assuming its the same as the S3 but it would be nice to know for sure. If I can shed some weight, every little helps!
Well, i didn't get my tt arms+ball bearings and S3 hubs fitted, but i determined that you can't use gti or S3/R32/cupra ball bearings to the TT lower control arms, the bolt pattern is different.
So to get the camber adjustability you can only use TT arms and ball bearings :happy2:.
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Danish hi pal, so are you saying that the hubs wont fit and the alloy lower arms and balljoints will? Therefore Have to use the existing steel hubs? Cheers
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danish have you had them fitted yet then????
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danish have you had them fitted yet then????
no, the bolts for the caliper carriers are 18mm to short, will have them monday, will be fitted shortly after :happy2:
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danish have you had them fitted yet then????
no, the bolts for the caliper carriers are 18mm to short, will have them monday, will be fitted shortly after :happy2:
Well this isn't exactly regarding the TT mk2 Lower control arms, but it's related.
Had a go at fitting the rear S3 hubs today, it was a no go :sad1:
The carrierbolts are the same though, that's the good part but the rest ,7, bolts don't fit as they are to short. Also the weight are very similar on the iron GTI ones and S3 alloy ones. I gues it's because the S3 are dimensioned to cope with the forces generated by the drivelines, so when i fit them it will be so i can say i did it :P
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Danish hi pal, so are you saying that the hubs wont fit and the alloy lower arms and balljoints will? Therefore Have to use the existing steel hubs? Cheers
Geordie, I fitted the TT lower arms with the existing GTI iron hubs.You have to change the back bushes of tt arms and fit the one from the GTI(or WALK if possible :happy2:).
Besides you need the TT balljoints with the 3 bolts that bolt on the hub.
The camber with eibach sportlines,tt lower arms and superpro antilift bushes increased to 1.6 degrees(it can go up to 2)
and caster now is about 9 degrees.
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@ Niki:
Please tell me what you know about "superpro antilift bushes".
I'm about to PM you about that BSH catchcan I have for sale :happy2:
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@ Niki:
Please tell me what you know about "superpro antilift bushes".
I decided in superpro bushes for several reasons.
First of all the material is better than powerflex and you get a 3 years guarantee(or 32k miles)
The superpro antilift is an eccentic bush that goes in the existing rear aluminium mount of the lower arm.
So you dont have to change the all mount(as WALK) but only the inside bush.
Depents on the angle you fit the inner bush,you can adjust the caster degree and the antilift effect.
The more ''forward'' the hole is fitted,the more caster you get.The more ''downwards'',the more antilift effect you get.
The price is lower than the WALK and you can get more than 9 deg.caster when with WALK you get a standard 8,5deg.
Finally the bush is a 2 pieces kit (inner,out),so there is abrasion between the 2 pieces of bush when the arm is working.
Here is a link with the eccentric antilift bushes.
http://www.priracing.com/shopimages/products/normal/SPF3273KBIG.jpg
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Efcharisto!
I'll check that out later. I already have WALK fitted but there may be other Superpro bush goodies. JonnyC uses them, so that's a good recommendation too.
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Could you maybe fit those adjustable superpro bushes into the WALk mount?? Could be a good setup
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Efcharisto!
I'll check that out later. I already have WALK fitted but there may be other Superpro bush goodies. JonnyC uses them, so that's a good recommendation too.
So VWR AFAIK...
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Could you maybe fit those adjustable superpro bushes into the WALk mount?? Could be a good setup
Surely not worth doing both?
I'm going the Superpro route as it means no god-awful gold anodised bits under my car. :sick:
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Is anyone able to clarify what the situation is with R32 front suspension? I'm assuming its the same as the S3 but it would be nice to know for sure. If I can shed some weight, every little helps!
when it goes wrong it goes really wrong, second set of bolts for the S3 front alloy hubs and carrier for the caliper was ordered with r32 partnumber: they are the same as the gti, so to answer your question, r32 front hubs must be steel as the gti's, sorry :sad1:
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Is anyone able to clarify what the situation is with R32 front suspension? I'm assuming its the same as the S3 but it would be nice to know for sure. If I can shed some weight, every little helps!
when it goes wrong it goes really wrong, second set of bolts for the S3 front alloy hubs and carrier for the caliper was ordered with r32 partnumber: they are the same as the gti, so to answer your question, r32 front hubs must be steel as the gti's, sorry :sad1:
Cheers, that's a start. I'll add S3 hubs to my list as presumably they are a direct swap as the brakes are the same? Need to find out next if the arms are ally or steel.
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FYI Mk5 R32 Front Hubs and lower arms are Cast Iron.
2008 < R32 Rear hubs were cast iron with a tubular Aluminium Subframe.
2008 > R32 rear hubs went to Forged Aluminium and the diff cradle went to tubular steel (I suspect the goal was reduced unsprung weight and offset additional cost offset by using a cheaper subframe).
See my findings here: http://www.mwstewart.co.uk/articles/mk3fiestaquattro/ half way down the page.
I'm using the Alu. Rear subframe with the forged hubs, TT front arms and S3 hubs. The weight of the cast Iron parts is simply obscene!
Also FYI this is the data on which I based my component choice:
Front
Track width is 13 mm wider.
springs, dampers and anti-roll bars are of a different rating
ball joint fastening bolts are integral parts of a separate retaining element - this must be replaced each time the bolts are loosened.
The ball joint is in a lower position - the result is a higher centre of roll.
A tubular anti-roll bar is used on models with front wheel drive, while a solid bar is used on quattro models. The link rod is a carry-over part from the Audi A3.
Rear
The wheel carriers, damper bearings and wheel bearings are modified versions of the components used in the Audi A3. Track width has been increased by 15 mm on each side over the Audi A3.
The wheel carrier has been modified geometrically in order to increase track width.
Note - There are three generations of wheel bearings, 3rd comes in around 2008.
Steering
new track rod outer joint with larger joint diameter and modified journal geometry
reduced steering angle, steering rack shortened from 80 mm to 78 mm
new control unit due to new control software without dsr function
In the case of the Audi TT, the power steering assist maps are determined by the powertrain type (front wheel drive or quattro) In the case of the Audi A3, the weight of the front axle is the determinant factor.
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Excellent first post. ......lots of good info there.
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Thanks Dave, I should have stated that the list of modifications in my post refers to the TT.
I'd be interested to hear if anyone has experimented with Mk6 Golf suspension. I think VW quote a Camber or Castor change for the Mk6, I suspect either the top mount or rear wishbone bush was modified - does anyone have info on this?
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Based on that top class info, does changing a GTI's front wishbones to the Audi TT's not get fully exploited because of the GTI's different steering mapping? [I hope my question makes sense]. Or does the steering mapping instruct S.M.A.R.T-ly so it wouldn't matter?
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Based on that top class info, does changing a GTI's front wishbones to the Audi TT's not get fully exploited because of the GTI's different steering mapping? [I hope my question makes sense]. Or does the steering mapping instruct S.M.A.R.T-ly so it wouldn't matter?
I wouldn't worry too much about the steering calibration.
I would recommend fitting TT Hubs, TT Track rod ends, and TT lower arms as a package - this will give a great all-round benefit (additional track, camber and roll-centre change).
Fitting the TT lower arms to a GTi will provide additional track and camber adjustment, but the roll-centre will remain unchanged. The roll centre change will make the biggest difference to handling.
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I would recommend fitting TT Hubs, TT Track rod ends, and TT lower arms as a package - this will give a great all-round benefit (additional track, camber and roll-centre change).
Fitting the TT lower arms to a GTi will provide additional track and camber adjustment, but the roll-centre will remain unchanged. The roll centre change will make the biggest difference to handling.
....I'm now wondering if my AP Racing brake kit would fit the TT hubs. The slippery slope of modding, eh?
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....I'm now wondering if my AP Racing brake kit would fit the TT hubs. The slippery slope of modding, eh?
The TT hubs are designed to accept the same brake packages as the rest of the 8P/Mk5 platform; your AP's will go straight on.
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....I'm now wondering if my AP Racing brake kit would fit the TT hubs. The slippery slope of modding, eh?
The TT hubs are designed to accept the same brake packages as the rest of the 8P/Mk5 platform; your AP's will go straight on.
....Thanks :drinking: I was afraid you were going to say that! I'm trying to stop modding my car: I've already got KW-V3 coilovers, Whiteline anti-lift kit, Eibach ARB's, Quaife ATB diff, and AP brakes and OZ lightweight 8kg wheels.
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RR,
In my travels, I looked at fitting the S3 hubs to my car, didn't in the end.
I did however notice that the mounting bosses for the caliper carrier were significantly thicker on the S3 hub (alloy) v's the GTI (cast iron) hub.
The S3 hub carrier mounting spigot was in the region of about 10mm thicker. I sent a hub up to the Reverend Brake (DB) for him to measure and manufacture a set of Caliper carriers (for Porker 996TT calipers) taking into account the difference in thickness. This difference will alter the centre line of the caliper, and hence the disc will not sit in the centre of the caliper.
Hope that makes sense.
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Cheers Stokey :drinking:
Yep, it makes sense and tells me not to go beyond just the TT arms mod.. Can of worms which can be sorted, but.
Afterall, look what happened to you: Started with Porsche calipers and ended up with a whole Cayman S car! :laugh:
Love your "The Reverend Brake" title for DB :notworthy:
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Mounting lugs are indeed thicker but the additional depth is offset towards the bolt side, thus you'll need longer caliper bolts but the calipers will remain the same.
It doesn't make sense for VAG to make a replacement hub that dictates the use of different discs and caliper carriers.
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Have to agree to disagree.
I know that when i tried to fit my Porker 996 TwinTurbo calipers to a set of S3 hubs I had, it would not get anywhere near.
Some of the BBK's rely on the carrier being mounted on the other side of the mounting spigot, to allow for the deeper caliper (2 piston v's 4 piston).
Welcome to the forum BTW.
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Excursion, the S3/TT/R32 brakes are indeed interchangeable but upwards of disc assembly heights of about 48mm it makes more sense to bolt the carriers on from the other direction which forces a pretty thorough redesign.
We're running disc assemblys of 50mm + to try to give clearances for some of the larger 4pot brakes and we've no choice but to bolt on from the other way.
Its only in the last 8 weeks or so AP racing have done a kit for the S3, the gti kits been out for a while.
I'm just redesigning one now for one of our S3 chaps on here
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Yep, AP's Mk5 GTI BBK has been out since 06 when my car was used for test fitting. Their design started development in 04 IIRC.
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I see, yes, mounting in a non standard way will cause problems with these hubs.
In the past in these situations I've drawn up an adapter in AutoCAD to move the caliper round 20 degrees or so, to give clearance around the lugs for a billet bracket that mounted on the standard face.
My local engineers CNC'd these brackets for me, cost is around £50 per side last time I had something done.