MK5 Golf GTI
General => Product Reviews => Topic started by: danishmkvgti on April 26, 2010, 06:09:43 pm
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Why:
Well i have looked at both Osir and Seibon carbon products from the start of me owning the mk V GTI, and even though i like the look of carbon, i'm not interested in carbon looking vinyl or parts that are only covered in carbon as a finish.
When i recently had another car in my left wing due to an illigal lane change made by him, i could (i keep telling myself) justify buying these wings for the 10mm wider arch for some extra cleareance as i have bought a set of 8,5"x19" ET48 which i plan on running 235/35-19" tires on.
So a phonecall to my carpartspusher :grin: and a couple of weeks later i looked at these in their garage: :drool:
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They looked amazing, until i looked at the backside, they are like the Osir parts glassfiber covered with one layer of carbon :sad1:
My initial goal was the 10mm wider arch so i decided to use them anyway.
So of with the old wings, not that easy to remove, lots of foam is used to make chambers in the wing, i assume for the reduction of roadnoise. and fitting the new ones so it could get to the paintshop.
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After the paintshop was done with it:
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Conclusion:
The 10mm wider arch is worth it IMO,
the fitting is a pain in the a**,
finish if you want to keep the in the raw is 85% because of the difficulty in fitting and the finish on the edge going along the hood of the car.
It's not 100% carbon
All in all i will give a rating of 6 out of 10, mainly because they sell it as carbon and it's not. :smiley:
(thx to RR for his excellent examples for reviews :happy2: )
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Great stuff Jake. :happy2:
I like the way you justify your illness, with a ten mil gain in arch room. :grin:
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Excellent post, Jake(?) :drinking:
Trouble is that I now hate you for it! I'm trying to make my mod shopping list shorter, not longer!
I love your touch of letting the .:R logo display in the carbon finish.
I'm afraid that except in the racing world, a lot of 'carbon' products are made with a fibreglass backing. You get what you pay for and the racing stuff can be astronomicly expensive.
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Excellent post, Jake(?) :drinking:
Trouble is that I now hate you for it! I'm trying to make my mod shopping list shorter, not longer!
I love your touch of letting the .:R logo display in the carbon finish.
I'm afraid that except in the racing world, a lot of 'carbon' products are made with a fibreglass backing. You get what you pay for and the racing stuff can be astronomicly expensive.
yup, Jake :drinking:
Several here has the pleasure of knowing my firstname, mostly people selling stuff from time to time, many things can be said about you RR, but you are a keeper such as I :laugh:
You also buy more than you sell, The slope is long and bumpy :stupid:
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The slope is long and bumpy :stupid:
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Awesome! :happy2:
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Hi Jake :smiley:
Did you refit the oem wheel arch liners with the carbon wings?
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How much are the carbon wings?
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Hi Jake :smiley:
Did you refit the oem wheel arch liners with the carbon wings?
Yes, but to be 100% functional you need to widen them so they rest on the inside of the fender :happy2:
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How much are the carbon wings?
In Denmark they are about 710£ :laugh:
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Hi Jake, did you compare the weight in the two arches?
I have also seen a replacement roof panel, but chances are you'd be looking up at some ugly finish.
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Sorry Neil,
I didn't , but i still have one stock laying around, i could weigh that, and i believe that the weight of the Seibon's are somewhere on the net.
Best i could find :smiley:
http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=128096
Weight lost is okay but the main factor in these are they are 10mm wider IMO :happy2:
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So your running wider on the front than the back now Jake, should give more traction, how have you found it?
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tyrewise i've got 225's front and rear, but for everyday use when weather prohibits i will run 235's for extra traction. I'll let you know when they are fitted :drinking:
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So your running wider on the front than the back now Jake, should give more traction, how have you found it?
....Just like a RS3 :evilgrin:
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Hi Jake :smiley:
Did you refit the oem wheel arch liners with the carbon wings?
Yes, but to be 100% functional you need to widen them so they rest on the inside of the fender :happy2:
....Is that what you did? Easy or tricky?
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Hi Jake :smiley:
Did you refit the oem wheel arch liners with the carbon wings?
Yes, but to be 100% functional you need to widen them so they rest on the inside of the fender :happy2:
....Is that what you did? Easy or tricky?
I haven't done anything but i should,use dual component araldit and some plastic of a similar kind ad the wheel arch liners is my thought on it :smiley:
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How much are the carbon wings?
In Denmark they are about 710£ :laugh:
I admit the wider arch is a bonus BUT, wooooooah there they come with a hefty price tag. Lovely touch with the R detail too.
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My front wheel arches need repainting and the first quote I've had back would cover the cost of one carbon wing! It's tempting except that I'd have to add the cost of painting the carbon.
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My front wheel arches need repainting and the first quote I've had back would cover the cost of one carbon wing! It's tempting except that I'd have to add the cost of painting the carbon.
i'm guessing a front end respray due to stonechips? surely you can get a better price than the near £800 mark, although if thats not the case you have found the perfect justification for going carbon :)
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My front wheel arches need repainting and the first quote I've had back would cover the cost of one carbon wing! It's tempting except that I'd have to add the cost of painting the carbon.
i'm guessing a front end respray due to stonechips? surely you can get a better price than the near £800 mark, although if thats not the case you have found the perfect justification for going carbon :)
....For some reason I don't have many stonechips to my front end. The ones I do have are all on the front splitter which is fibreglass and tends to receive minor repairs once a year. Quote so far is £388 incl the wretched vat for re-doing both front wing arches. A single carbon wing would cost about £400 unpainted.
Rather than further hijack Jake's review thread I think I'll start a new thread and even include a vote option.
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My front wheel arches need repainting and the first quote I've had back would cover the cost of one carbon wing! It's tempting except that I'd have to add the cost of painting the carbon.
i'm guessing a front end respray due to stonechips? surely you can get a better price than the near £800 mark, although if thats not the case you have found the perfect justification for going carbon :)
....For some reason I don't have many stonechips to my front end. The ones I do have are all on the front splitter which is fibreglass and tends to receive minor repairs once a year. Quote so far is £388 incl the wretched vat for re-doing both front wing arches. A single carbon wing would cost about £400 unpainted.
Rather than further hijack Jake's review thread I think I'll start a new thread and even include a vote option.
As this debate is relevant to justify the buying of this product, please feel free to continue RR :drinking:
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Rather than further hijack Jake's review thread I think I'll start a new thread and even include a vote option.
As this debate is relevant to justify the buying of this product, please feel free to continue RR :drinking:
....Oh, okay :drinking: Thanks.
In other words you want the opportunity to persuade me (easily done with carbon products) to justify to myself spending large sums of money on further things I don't really need.
I better re-read your first post to see how you justified yours!.............
Aha! So I should 'accidentally' nudge an obstacle so that my fender needs repair replacement.
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Rather than further hijack Jake's review thread I think I'll start a new thread and even include a vote option.
As this debate is relevant to justify the buying of this product, please feel free to continue RR :drinking:
....Oh, okay :drinking: Thanks.
In other words you want the opportunity to persuade me (easily done with carbon products) to justify to myself spending large sums of money on further things I don't really need.
I better re-read your first post to see how you justified yours!
It was easy for me, a bloke didn't know how to drive in a roundabout with 2 lanes and changed lanes and bend my left wing, badabum badabing 2 CF wings on order, and it nearly didn't hurt :grin: :wink:
No seriously, the 10mm wider on each side was the reason for me doing it, the CF was a bonus. But as a wise man has told me, CF is for racing not road, meaning that a 100% CF product are very hard to live with on the road, as it's very flimsy and do transfer noisy much more than GF or steel. But you already know that all aftermarket parts has pros and cons :drinking:
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I guess you have the dreaded mk5 rusting wheel arches Robin? Lots of people have had it fixed under the 12 year rust cover but imo unless they bead blast your wings the rust will just come back through at some point.
Carbon wings will solve it, it all depends how long you are keeping the car for of cause, I do find it a shame to cover them up though.
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I guess you have the dreaded mk5 rusting wheel arches Robin? Lots of people have had it fixed under the 12 year rust cover but imo unless they bead blast your wings the rust will just come back through at some point.
Carbon wings will solve it, it all depends how long you are keeping the car for of cause, you could leave them carbon as i find it a shame to cover them up.
....Yes, those Seibon carbon wings look utterly beautiful (unless you don't like carbon) but I don't think that black wings on my red car would look very cool. If I hadn't painted all of my carbon bonnet I could have gradually faded the red paint on both wings and bonnet from the A-pillars to reveal the full carbon towards the headlights - That would either look absolutely amazing or total crap!
Quite apart from the cost factor, I wouldn't want lots of extra road noise which drowns or competes with my engine bay sounds into the cabin. < edit: It's only the 100% carbon, not fibreglass backed like these, which tend to transfer road noise.
I forgot about any 12 year rust cover but would I qualify? My arch liners have been eased in and my suspension is low. Somehow I think that VW would use this as an excuse to say no.
Where has there been posted more info about arch rust? I don't think I've got any actual rust yet.
[I've just spotted your George Michael sig! Very good]
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I guess you have the dreaded mk5 rusting wheel arches Robin? Lots of people have had it fixed under the 12 year rust cover but imo unless they bead blast your wings the rust will just come back through at some point.
Carbon wings will solve it, it all depends how long you are keeping the car for of cause, I do find it a shame to cover them up though.
Regarding covering the CF wings: as with most of the mods made by enthuastic drivers, a set of CF wings would indicate that other things are done to the vehicle and would attract unnessesary attention to the car. The .:R's are subtle and could be mistaken for stickers. (In the right light you can see the CF weaving underneath the paint as an extra detail :drool: )
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Where has there been posted more info about arch rust? I don't think I've got any actual rust yet.
[I've just spotted your George Michael sig! Very good]
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,21537.0.html
Is a one i remember, Just do a search for rust there are quite a few threads about it on this forum over time that will then pop up with rust as the search criteria.
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Right....
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^ As you can see, the state of my wheel arches means that *cough* I am totally and irrevocably justified *cough* in changing them to carbon like Jake's.
Well, somehow I don't think I'd manage to persuade VW UK to repair my arch paintwork under the 12-year warranty or does anyone disagree? If that is the case I have the choice of spending:
A) ~£400 on paintshop repairs: Nil benefits apart from general maintenance.
B) ~£1,200 on painted carbon wings: Several benefits - Tyre clearance, lightweight (not that important to me), eye-candy (very subtle) plus .:R logo like Jake's, no further rust maintenance.
@Jake: I'm needing to know of any practical difficulties when you fit the arch liners. I don't want to run without the liners.
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Right....
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^ As you can see, the state of my wheel arches means that *cough* I am totally and irrevocably justified *cough* in changing them to carbon like Jake's.
Well, somehow I don't think I'd manage to persuade VW UK to repair my arch paintwork under the 12-year warranty or does anyone disagree? If that is the case I have the choice of spending:
A) ~£400 on paintshop repairs: Nil benefits apart from general maintenance.
B) ~£1,200 on painted carbon wings: Several benefits - Tyre clearance, lightweight (not that important to me), eye-candy (very subtle) plus .:R logo like Jake's, no further rust maintenance.
@Jake: I'm needing to know of any practical difficulties when you fit the arch liners. I don't want to run without the liners.
Only thing to have in mind is the widening of them other than that just a good bodyshop as they can be a pain to fit. :happy2:
I was wondering as to when you would crack under the pressure. :grin:
BTW are the fenders rust from rubbing or a vw warranty case??
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Only thing to have in mind is the widening of them other than that just a good bodyshop as they can be a pain to fit. :happy2:
I was wondering as to when you would crack under the pressure. :grin:
BTW are the fenders rust from rubbing or a vw warranty case??
....Well I haven't cracked yet - I'm just giving them serious consideration (as I did on the TT arms and then decided against).
I wouldn't be doing the job myself and have confidence in the bodyshop who did my bonnet.
The paint has come away from the fenders probably because the liners have been pushed inwards to allow better tyre clearance on very hard cornering.
So how would you widen the liners?
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Right....
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^ As you can see, the state of my wheel arches means that *cough* I am totally and irrevocably justified *cough* in changing them to carbon like Jake's.
Well, somehow I don't think I'd manage to persuade VW UK to repair my arch paintwork under the 12-year warranty or does anyone disagree? If that is the case I have the choice of spending:
A) ~£400 on paintshop repairs: Nil benefits apart from general maintenance.
B) ~£1,200 on painted carbon wings: Several benefits - Tyre clearance, lightweight (not that important to me), eye-candy (very subtle) plus .:R logo like Jake's, no further rust maintenance.
@Jake: I'm needing to know of any practical difficulties when you fit the arch liners. I don't want to run without the liners.
Why not be a little different and do an .:RR logo :happy2:
You know you NEED this mod Robin :party: stop justifying and get them bought! :evilgrin:
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Why not be a little different and do an .:RR logo :happy2:
You know you NEED this mod Robin :party: stop justifying and get them bought! :evilgrin:
....Nice idea but I think .:RR would be too much of a personal monogram and so a bit too ostentatious even for me. Also, more difficult to sell the car although I have a funny feeling I'll still be driving her at 200,000 miles (and still be the wise old geezer on this forum).
As it is now, I occasionally experience people grinning when they see me step out of my car - But those that say anything at all invariably pass approving comments about the car.
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@ Jake:
Sorry to keep asking but I'm trying to understand more precisely how the wheel arches would need modifying to fit the carbon wings. I assume that at the moment you have the arch liners but they're not joined up to the carbon wings. How do you envisage joining them up, please?
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Well, the Seibon fenders has been replaced by some Kerscher plastic ones that is 30mm wider than stock.
The Seibon ones did the job but at the end of the day CF is for race not for show IMO :happy2:
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Just to let you guys know, I'm a seibom dealer so if enough interest I could do a group buy on these? Let me know if this is something of interest, if not no worries but could be a way to save all a little bit if you are considering this.