MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Janner_Sy on April 28, 2010, 08:36:34 pm
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guys have a look at this thread
really interested in their car. The mk4 1.8T guys are mad about jabbasport tuning etc, so im mega keen to see what they can manage with this Ed 30.
They managed a 12.7 sec 1/4 at the pod on a stage 2+ DSG k04 with NO Intercooler, which to be air would put them 3rd on the 1/4 mile leaderboard, only behind jonnys stripped out ed 30, and stage 3 Big turbo S3. Not bad.
Seems like they also have plans for water methanol in the next few weeks :party: :party: :party: as well as their turbo being stripped off and modified to make it a hybrid :P :P :P
Pics and spec in the link below
http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/159979-our-mk5-edition-30-demo-car/
we ned to get jabbalad to get a build thread going on here
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just noticed kev has joined up today
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someone direct him here then to get a full up to date spec with plans :party: :party: :party: :party: :party:
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haha that would be moi :smiley:
I keep meaning to do a proper build thread, but i struggle to find the time! :ashamed:
I will be getting my turbo off this weekend and sending it off on tuesday hopefully, so i will keep you posted on how it goes.
once the turbo is on it will be custom mapped, (no bodge valves needed because the map is designed for a slightly differnt turbo here.... :happy2: )
I will try put together a build thread anyway
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haha that would be moi :smiley:
I keep meaning to do a proper build thread, but i struggle to find the time! :ashamed:
I will be getting my turbo off this weekend and sending it off on tuesday hopefully, so i will keep you posted on how it goes.
once the turbo is on it will be custom mapped, (no bodge valves needed because the map is designed for a slightly differnt turbo here.... :happy2: )
I will try put together a build thread anyway
What mapping will be used for the re worked turbo?? Cant wait to see the results!!
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Are you going to put a proper intercooler on mate?
Sorry we bailed out on Saturday but Steve had to be home. :ashamed:
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its our own, its all done live on the rolling road to the car were mapping, all files are modified in house in peterborough (not far eastern countrys and advertised to be "custom") :smiley:
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i have seen owen development are advertising a k04 hybrid for the 2.0tfsi
is this the same?
i enquired about it.. not cheap like
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Interesting as i have k04 sitting in the garage waiting for a refurb or hybradized :evilgrin:
Any word on price to do this?
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Are you going to put a proper intercooler on mate?
Sorry we bailed out on Saturday but Steve had to be home. :ashamed:
Yep intercooler will be going on too :smiley:
Thats fine, i didnt manage to get out in the mk5 in the end anyway :sad1: had too many police officers to take round in the leon! :smiley:
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Can I ask what type of emulator you use for the ME9 ECU? I have been looking for one for a while now, have one for the EDC16's but not ME9.
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that would be a question for kev, im workshop unfortunatly and try not to get too involved in that side :smiley:
Sorry
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any chance you could ask for me?
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Would it be possible to get the same map from bedrock veedubs instead of travelling downsouth? Do you have figures for your live map, would you say its on par with giac/revo + maps just no controller? Cheers, Stevie.
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Dave at ADS had a hybridised K04 on his ibiza, remember a housing came from a bentley GT iirc.
Its on his bench at the mo in pieces
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Would it be possible to get the same map from bedrock veedubs instead of travelling downsouth? Do you have figures for your live map, would you say its on par with giac/revo + maps just no controller? Cheers, Stevie.
considering a 12.7 sec 1/4 mile id bloody say so, and thats with no intercooler
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Hi Guys,
Thought i'd better pop over this side of the pond of forums :)
Can I ask what type of emulator you use for the ME9 ECU? I have been looking for one for a while now, have one for the EDC16's but not ME9.
We don't have an emulator for MED9 stuff unfortunately, we've got the MET16 for everything else. Our development with the TFSI's has been long winded but I'm happy to say that from the time I've spent with these files on the rollers we can offer some awesome maps :happy2:
Would it be possible to get the same map from bedrock veedubs instead of travelling downsouth? Do you have figures for your live map, would you say its on par with giac/revo + maps just no controller? Cheers, Stevie.
Bedrock can offer Stage 1 maps which we can still tailor to the vehicles but obviously not really a full custom map up there unfortunately. I haven't seen any GIAC maps here, but seen Superchips, Revo etc and would like to honestly think we've spent a bit more time refining our software.
You're right about the controller, we don't offer anything like that but we like to get the map right the first time and once you've experienced it you wouldn't want to remove it! :driver:
i have seen owen development are advertising a k04 hybrid for the 2.0tfsi
is this the same?
i enquired about it.. not cheap like
This is from Turbo Dynamics, they too can offer an outright purchase which is similar price to Owens but they can also hybrid a standard K04 which is the main selling point.
For everyone's info also we don't conform to the usual stages of remapping like Revo, Custom Code etc.
It seems many people are put off going to what they call a stage 2 tune because they don't have every modification that the tuner has required, we don't work like this.
Stage 1 is for your standard cars, with a few little mods if you want and then our next step up is a Custom Map, so you can have as few or as many modifications as you want, you don't have to conform to any criteria to be able to step up to the next level of mapping. This way everyone can be different in what they do to their cars etc. It also means we're not just loading a file into your car that's already been in 100 other cars, each car is individual and tailored.
I love mapping the TFSI engine, they're a hoot to drive and every time i complete one it just makes me want to sell my Fabia vRS to buy one!
Kev
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Looking forward to this Kev. :happy2:
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what sort of cost is it for the upgrade of your existing k04 and any idea on timescales? I dont like been without mine for too long I get withdrawal symptoms
thanks
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Very interested in this...
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what sort of cost is it for the upgrade of your existing k04 and any idea on timescales? I dont like been without mine for too long I get withdrawal symptoms
thanks
Turn around is around 3 days at Turbo Dynamics.
Retail price to hybrid your current K04 is £816.62 to £881.25 depending on the condition of the unit.
Some spec of the turbo from TD:
High flow K24 Compressor wheel, C.N.C. re-profiled compressor housing, Uprated TD 360 degree thrust bearing, modified water cooled bearing housing, lightening of turbine wheel for faster ‘spool up’, modified turbine housing, fully blueprinted to racing specifications.
PS. We also have Autotech HPFP internals in stock and will perform the modification to anyone's pump for £330 inc VAT. If you'd rather us take the pump off your car and refit it's £52 extra.
Kev
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X4 :happy2:
Anyone who is running in the 12's with a Ed30 (especially one that looks so similar to mine) is a friend of mine.. :grin:
Would it be possible to get the same map from bedrock veedubs instead of travelling downsouth? Do you have figures for your live map, would you say its on par with giac/revo + maps just no controller? Cheers, Stevie.
considering a 12.7 sec 1/4 mile id bloody say so, and thats with no intercooler
It is very impressive no doubt mate. I am very keen to see what I can get out of mine once the pump, intake and Stage 2+ file is on (again standard cooler), considering the old girl ran a 13.1 with just Milltek TBE, ITG panel filter and Revo Stage 2 software. All in full road trim with Michelin PS2's. Will be interesting to see if she can cut it with some of the big boys.. :wink:
Hat's off to Jabba though, it may of taken them a while to get noticed more on the TFSI scene, but they seem to be here with a bang. :happy2: They certainly don't need any introduction with the 1.8T crowd.. :smiley:
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If anyone wants any logs from Luke's car just drop me a line, happy to be very open with any info with the TFSI's.
Powergraph for anyone that's missed it..
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fk272%2Fdjkrazykev%2FLUKESED30.jpg&hash=8aa15e8ce03e388d2131ab9f535307d4ae71d715)
Kev
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mines going to jabba to be mapped once i invest in a sports cat and the TT will go there too for a stg1, i'm not sure if kev was too impressed with my current map :)
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they do have a phenominal reputation on the 1.8T and now they have their in house ed30 im sure they will be more to be a match for REVO/GIAC etc.
I think that is where io would be heading especially as they are more experienced than most o the other Vag tuners when it comes to WMI which is something i want
So @ jabbalad come on lets get this sorted ASAP, all i ask though is can we see the completion graphs with and without WMI please.
on a side note, what was the power of Jonnys old Gt30 Ed30 on your rollers. we never saw an output in the end
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I'm not sure if kev was too impressed with my current map :)
Is that how it came across? :wink:
So @ jabbalad come on lets get this sorted ASAP, all i ask though is can we see the completion graphs with and without WMI please.
on a side note, what was the power of Jonnys old Gt30 Ed30 on your rollers. we never saw an output in the end
It looks like someone may need some persuading to put a W/I kit on their octavia? :D As you wish, im sure it wont take much to convince luke to put more toys on the ED30!
I dont think the new owner wants much on the forum about the car so im not saying much at the moment. It's with us for custom mapping, which is a GREAT thing, to prove we have no issues with big turbo stuff but it's having a fuel supply/pressure issue at the moment so no mapiing till it's sorted.
I think he wont mind a before and after once it's fully mapped :D
Kev
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they do have a phenominal reputation on the 1.8T and now they have their in house ed30 im sure they will be more to be a match for REVO/GIAC etc.
I think that is where io would be heading especially as they are more experienced than most o the other Vag tuners when it comes to WMI which is something i want
So @ jabbalad come on lets get this sorted ASAP, all i ask though is can we see the completion graphs with and without WMI please.
on a side note, what was the power of Jonnys old Gt30 Ed30 on your rollers. we never saw an output in the end
Haha yes of course we will be going power runs before and after with both water meth and without :smiley:
i will be haeding out to the ring straight after too, so it will officially be "tested round the nurburgring" :happy2:
gunna see how low in the 8min range (possibly into the 7min range) i can get it... seeing as i done 8.40 in a standard car last year on standard conti tyres! haha
I will Pm you re power figures for Jonnys ex ed30... its not fair on him or the new owner if i post on a public forum
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With there bein no controller, I guess there won't be the option for a map for usin WMI and one if you run out of water/meth?
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on a side note, what was the power of Jonnys old Gt30 Ed30 on your rollers. we never saw an output in the end
I know when JC run his with the BT it was no quicker time wise than when he ran it with KO4. BUT it was only ran on that one day and was very cold and struggled for grip. However it was running nearly 120mph terminals, compared to 116mph with the K04..
Luke, was it you who had the red Fabia before mate?
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With there bein no controller, I guess there won't be the option for a map for usin WMI and one if you run out of water/meth?
Not at the moment, but i have something in the pipeline which will be tested on Luke's when the W/I is installed..
Cheers
Kev
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With there bein no controller, I guess there won't be the option for a map for usin WMI and one if you run out of water/meth?
Not at the moment, but i have something in the pipeline which will be tested on Luke's when the W/I is installed..
Cheers
Kev
Its all looking very promising :)
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I'm not sure if kev was too impressed with my current map :)
Is that how it came across? :wink:
So @ jabbalad come on lets get this sorted ASAP, all i ask though is can we see the completion graphs with and without WMI please.
on a side note, what was the power of Jonnys old Gt30 Ed30 on your rollers. we never saw an output in the end
It looks like someone may need some persuading to put a W/I kit on their octavia? :D As you wish, im sure it wont take much to convince luke to put more toys on the ED30!
I dont think the new owner wants much on the forum about the car so im not saying much at the moment. It's with us for custom mapping, which is a GREAT thing, to prove we have no issues with big turbo stuff but it's having a fuel supply/pressure issue at the moment so no mapiing till it's sorted.
I think he wont mind a before and after once it's fully mapped :D
Kev
LOL, yeah, still it seemed ok to me after i'd been in that Lupo all day, you'll get your chance to put the leon right sometime soon, don't forget a price for those wheel spacers :happy2:
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Subscribed to this thread. :happy2:
Looks very interesting. I'd wondered for a while whether a hybrid K04 would get made and so I'm looking forward to seeing any results on the strip, 'ring and/or dyno. :driver:
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It looks like someone may need some persuading to put a W/I kit on their octavia? :D As you wish, im sure it wont take much to convince luke to put more toys on the ED30!
:grin: :grin:im mega keen to get the WMI but it wont be on the octavia that is going to be replaced by something yet to be confirmed.
would you be going for boost or MAF controlled W/M though.
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More than likely MAF based injection, as this is what's usually recommended for a quick spooling turbo, if we find this isn't suitable we can always swap it out for a Boost based injection as we have the controllers in stock.
Kev
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Jabbalad.. Post up your times and details in the 1/4 miles thread and I'll add you to the list mate..
All sounds good.. I think you should be able to drop below a 12.6 for sure, another year of development time has gone by since I ran that time, and it's a natural progression.. Wish you the best of luck :)
In regards to my ED30 and times that it ran at Pod with the big turbo.. I think it's pretty obvious just what it was/is capable of considering the pace of other Stage 2+ cars on that day and what those same cars have ran since with no further modifications.. 119mph+ terminals on that day were more than I could have hoped for..
Don't be surprised to see that car deep into the 11's or even dropping into the 10's this year.. Looking back I know it would have been worth me running the car again on a day which would have allowed me to show what the car was capable of, but ho hum! The new owner will be doing that soon enough! :)
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on a side note, what was the power of Jonnys old Gt30 Ed30 on your rollers. we never saw an output in the end
I know when JC run his with the BT it was no quicker time wise than when he ran it with KO4. BUT it was only ran on that one day and was very cold and struggled for grip. However it was running nearly 120mph terminals, compared to 116mph with the K04..
Luke, was it you who had the red Fabia before mate?
Yep it was me that used to have the red fabia all those years ago :smiley:
I had a 440bhp Audi A3 after that that was featured in redline and so on, then got the ED30.
With all my cars they have been my only car at the time and they have all been daily driven (and pretty hard too) so i guess the longer term goal is to see how far we can go without making it horrible to drive and un-reliable.... :smiley:
With everything we develop we try to look for the long term life of it.... i would like to think that our BT 1.8t development shows this, when you get people like MAHLE (once Cosworth) buying our manifolds and turbo setups to run on there higher power factory engine packages to put into production cars, we must be doing something right :signLOL:
I will see how much i can do this year but i cant throw money at it unfortunatly, it should mean it makes a nicer overall package tho, as each part of the build will be better developed than just going for the top straight away :laugh:
I do know of a certain BT ED30 that will be up for sale again very soon tho, once the map is sorted and a few other little problems are fixed its going to be a pretty nice car that should run good power :smiley:
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Lifted from Briskoda.net
"We're hoping a hybrid K04 should beat JohnnyC's time although we've got his car in the workshop at the moment with the new owner and it's not a happy bunny, neither is it making the power it was advertised at.. Which would explain why it ran slower times with the GT30 than it did on a standard turbo.
Kev"
Kev,
I have been in constant contact with Dave offering all of my help that I possibly can to get around the issue and you know fine well there is much more to it than that.. As I have already said, and as many witnessed, times at Santa Pod on that day were no where near representative..
Please don't go posting BS like this discrediting the car and me in the process..
If you would like to talk to me then get my number from Dave and feel free to give me call
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^^^ Why drag that over here :confused:, it was posted on briskoda so go and answer it on briskoda!
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^^^ Why drag that over here :confused:, it was posted on briskoda so go and answer it on briskoda!
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Just dropped you an email Jonny as i can't PM on here yet.
Thanks
Kev
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Just dropped you an email Jonny as i can't PM on here yet.
Thanks
Kev
Thanks Kevin, I appreciate you contacting me..
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me and wayne run with thefatplasterer (sean) in his yellow cupra nearly every weekend, and when we were stage 1 revo, his stage 1 jabba was always quicker. We both rated the jabba map highly but never talked about it much as at the time and it might have been true then they only had a stage 1 map and nothing else?
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Group buy with jabbasport anybody Hybrid and custom map group booking :happy2:
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well quick update, i put the s3 cooler on on saturday, this immediately made the car alot more responsive, and it pulled so much harder in higher gears with what felt like more torque! was very impressed with it! :smiley:
didnt get much time to appretiate it tho as i took the car into work this morning to get the turbo off, 3 hours later and it was all packed and ready to be shipped first thing in the morning :laugh:
thats all for now, i will start to put together a build thread tomorow if i get enough time :fighting2:
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Group buy with jabbasport anybody Hybrid and custom map group booking :happy2:
I'm sure something could be arranged :D
Kev
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So for example if i gave you my k04 to "hybrid" it, what turbo would it not be equivellent to once i refitted it?
currently on stage 2+ revo, so asuming i would need to get stage 3 loaded up, what bhp could be expected?
what bhp will the new modified turbo handle?
Wayne
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So for example if i gave you my k04 to "hybrid" it, what turbo would it not be equivellent to once i refitted it?
currently on stage 2+ revo, so asuming i would need to get stage 3 loaded up, what bhp could be expected?
what bhp will the new modified turbo handle?
Wayne
Ill let Kev answer specifically but when I looked into it a while back the main benefits would be improvements on reliability more than anything else..
Problem being that there is physically hardly any room for going larger on the intake or exhaust side so I would estimate around 20hp at an absolute max! Most of which due to improved efficiency from the use of a billet HTA compressor wheel, in which case a realistic 380-390hp should be achievable.. What wheel are they going to be using?
Still, its a very viable option for someone who doesn't want to change injectors and/or turbo etc.. Especially if the work was completed on an exchange basis..
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So how would the hybrid turbo work with an existing Revo remap? Would the adjustability Revo brings with regard to boost timing and fueling be enough to customise the map to work? Or are the characteristics of the hybrid K04 too different to the OEM K04 meaning it will only work well with a custom tune?
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So how would the hybrid turbo work with an existing Revo remap? Would the adjustability Revo brings with regard to boost timing and fueling be enough to customise the map to work? Or are the characteristics of the hybrid K04 too different to the OEM K04 meaning it will only work well with a custom tune?
We will see.. All I would imagine is that you will gain flow, which means most of it will be sorted out by the ECU anyways.. Most probably Revo S2+ map would be able to fine tune to it.. Its not going to be night and day between OEM K04 and Hybrid..
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By the way, im not at all meaning to come across that im saying its not going to be a worth while mod, just what I found when I looked into it.. :smiley:
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Personally I would have thought that it would have to be a custom tune as there would be a larger flow of air to push through, meaning a different mix and a slightly laggier spool. :confused:
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Personally I would have thought that it would have to be a custom tune as there would be a larger flow of air to push through, meaning a different mix and a slightly laggier spool. :confused:
There are a couple of options, you either go more aggressive on the intake wheel design, which would mean even MORE torque.. Not something that I would see as a performance benefit, or you go for something which will flow more up top but as you say slightly increase spool time, again, not something that the K04 struggles with as standard..
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i believe they are using a k24 turbo wheel - power claims are c380-400bhp
be interested to see what jabba can make of it :happy2:
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Build thread now up! :smiley:
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,14310.0.html