MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Technical Workshop => Topic started by: JPC on January 12, 2009, 10:30:29 pm
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Hi guys, Ive been trying to retrofit the gti MFSW tonight and couldnt get the thing working.
for one of two reasons i think:
1. The part number i ordered was 1K0 953 549 AL. this is known to work with MSFW and cruise control, and Non DSG cars
now when i picked the part up, it said 1K0 953 549 AL on the box. when i opened it, it was a reclaimed part i think. but the part number was different. it was 8p0 953 549 F. i thought this might have the same functionality as said above Part but was for audis. but i tried it, and it didnt work. it threw up about 3 fault codes
2. or maybe i didnt code it properly. this is what i worked off
0?xxxxx: Vehicle Type
0 = Normal
1 = Special Purpose (e.g Taxi)
0x?xxxx: Transmission
0 = Manual Transmission
1 = Automatic Transmission
0xx?xxx: Steering Wheel
0 = Steering Wheel without Multifunction
1 = 3-Spoke Steering Wheel without Multifunction
2 = 3/4-Spoke Steering Wheel with Multifunction without Cruise & Voice Control
3 = 3/4-Spoke Steering Wheel with Multifunction with Cruise & Voice Control
0xxx?xx: Additional Equipment
+1 = Tiptronic (Shift Paddels)
0xxxx?x: Board Computer / Cruise Control System (CCS)
0 = w/o Board Computer and w/o Cruise Control System (CCS)
1 = with Board Computer and w/o Cruise Control System (CCS)
2 = w/o Board Computer and with Cruise Control System (CCS)
4 = with Board Computer and with Cruise Control System (CCS)
0xxxxx?: Rear Wiper
1 = Rear Wiper not installed
2 = Rear Wiper installed
sooo
the coding for my car should be...
0002002
soo...is the coding wrong or is the part number vw "palmed me off" with not going to work?
im going to vw tomorrow to order a brand new one with a proper part number as a matter of course, but i just wanted to know if should work. if so ill keep it and update the coding
thanks guys! ;)
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btw....i have a cruise control stalk on there at the moment. i have not coded that in yet, i think there is a few more hardware bits before it gets working.
i did want to keep each mod seperate but i thought i might aswell put the CC stalk whilst the wheel was off.
i dont seem to have a clock spring sensor so thats why i dont think my cruise will work
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Wrong Coding J.
Why didn't you go off of the balloon helper in VCDS??
http://wiki.ross-tech.com/index.php/Audi_A3_%288P%29_Steering_Wheel#Coding
That unit is the same as in mine
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00?xxxx: Transmission
0 = Manual Transmission
1 = Automatic Transmission
00x?xxx: Steering Wheel
0 = 3-Spoke, w/o Tiptronic, w/o Multi-Function
1 = 3-Spoke, with Tiptronic, w/o Multi-Function
2 = 4-Spoke Multi-Function (with Radio Control)
3 = 4-Spoke Multi-Function (with Radio/Telephone Control)
4 = 4-Spoke Multi-Function (with Radio/Telephone/Voice Control)
00xx?xx: Tiptronic/Heating
+1 = Tiptronic on Steering Wheel
00xxx?x: Cruise Control/Board Computer
0 = no Board Computer, no Cruise Control
1 = Board Computer, no Cruise Control
2 = no Board Computer, Cruise Control
4 = Board Computer, Cruise Control
00xxxx?: Rear Wiper
0 = w/o Rear Wiper
1 = with Rear Wiper
right... so it needs to be
0003001
i guess i can code out the CC stalk even tho its fitted. the car would think a standard stalk is on?
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I couldn't be sure the 8P unit will work on your car, bottom line is they've supplied the wrong part.
There is no reason to not code the CC stalk.
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ive tried again this morning playing around with the coding but it doesnt work with the car! :(
i can get the coding as right as i think it should be, but it still throws up a "unit not coded properly" error.
ive taken the part to VW this morning. they have appologised, said its an AUDI only part and they will have a New 1K0 953 549 AL in for me in the morning
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ive taken the part to VW this morning. they have appologised, said its an AUDI only part and they will have a New 1K0 953 549 AL in for me in the morning
JPC, yep, deffo an Audi A3 part (see below)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg186.imageshack.us%2Fimg186%2F653%2Facontrollergm0.jpg&hash=c93584c8e354a0eadb3ee4d53cd5adac5fd4759f)
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thanks. where has that screen shot come from? VAS?
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Nah.. just a cheap fleabay copy of ETOS (also came with ETKA V7).
Weirdly enough, I have just changed my wheel to a MFSW and used the controller 1K0 953 549 AL that you mentioned, but although the MFSW works fully as expected, I lost my factory fit Cruise Control. Indeed there are a few people on VWVortex and UK-MKIVs that have also experienced this after fitted the "AL" module.
I've been speaking to VRStu about this and as yet we have been unable to explain why, as the coding is correct, all the buttons work and the light on the dash panel also illuminates. :confused:
Your car I think is a lot newer than mine, (mines a 2005) and I think (think being the operative word) that my car wasn't designed for the AL coded module. According to ETKA and ETOS, they both indicate that with my slip ring (1K0 959 653 C) that AL isn't compatible and that I would either need to change the slip ring to a version "D", or change my Steering control module to 1K0 953 549 AK (not AL). But like I said, I'm really clutching a straws at the moment.
Seriously considering removing the AL module and going back to the original F version, that was installed as I know this works.
Hopefully you will have better luck ?
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thanks for that mate, i read your thread about CC not working. i have slip ring C and i am now wondered if i should change that to the D one as well.
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Like I said JPC, I'm no expert, so please don't take my comments as gospal, as these are just my findings.
Like I said, I have a copy of Etka and ETOS (although they aren't the latest revisions) and strangley enough, I couldn't find the AL module listed under any golf, just AK. I did however find the AL module listed under "Jetta/Synchro 2006-2007". However, when you look at the picture accompanying the text (below), it shows the US style CC module with the third stalk, not integrated into the indicator stalk as per EU cars ? It also listed the AL module as Model "ROK", which from my limited understanding of ETOS is Korean market !
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg213.imageshack.us%2Fimg213%2F599%2Fcontrollerdz6.jpg&hash=7b4ceb40c44d8ee5d3777fe7a1195b074cb3b4fd)
I'm even more confused than ever now. I deffo now think my problem is the wrong controller. I think that AL will work perfectly if you don't have CC fitted, but if you do (and a midline dash) there seems to be some imcompatability problems.
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thanks for that info.
Ive got the proper steering wheel controller fitted today. the buttons work so thats a job done! :)
just a few quick Q's.
The up and down buttons cycle thru my trip computer rather than the radio??
the volume works ok
the ok button switches from trip 1 to trip 2
the star buttons mutes
the list? button doesnt do anything, as expected, no Highline
and the phone button doesnt do anything as expected.
can i just ask if thats whats supposed to happen with the MFSW?
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On mine with the highline the up/down buttons function differently depending on the menu shown on the highline display.
They will only change the radio station or track when showing the audio info menu, the default is to scroll through the various stats display, so it sounds about right as you only have the one stats menu on the midline :happy2:
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so is it possible with a highline display to assign up and down as next track/next radio station
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steve, i think i know what your getting at, your an arse btw...you have made me spend another small fortune on getting highline clocks! ;)
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I was just typing this when you replied -
You can't change the assisgnment it's more about the button working for the function on the highline screen at that time.
So on mine the scroll through the DIS/Stats menu in default mode, change tracks/station when I have the audio/nav menu selected or scroll through the bluetooth phonebook when in the phone menu. :smiley:
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so its more like a phone joystick, it only applies to the particular screen that is up. rather than a "set in stone" button, like the volume up?
im with you! ;)
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Yep you got it :happy2:
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Chaps,
A GTI purchase is imminent & MFSW is a 'would like'.
What is the rough cost of retro fitting one?
ta
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brand new parts .. probably 400 if you need a steering wheel controller too. if not, then 250
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Is there any retro fit guys hanging around here who could carry out the fit??
ta
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where abouts are you?
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somewhere in suffolk at a guess
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somewhere in suffolk at a guess
I knew the accent would give me away............
& no I don't eat carrots & have never kipped with a female memebr of the family, before anyone starts.
yes JPC, near Lowestoft
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somewhere in suffolk at a guess
I knew the accent would give me away............
& no I don't eat carrots & have never kipped with a female memebr of the family, before anyone starts.
yes JPC, near Lowestoft
to be completely honest, i have never heard those connotations about suffolk, nor did i guess on your accent. i used your work email haha!!
i could do it for you but vRStu would be your best bet, obviously there would be a fitting charge but not much, and hes a whizz at these things!
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somewhere in suffolk at a guess
I knew the accent would give me away............
& no I don't eat carrots & have never kipped with a female memebr of the family, before anyone starts.
yes JPC, near Lowestoft
I cant read
und i cant write
buy aye i can drive a tractor. :signLOL:
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somewhere in suffolk at a guess
I knew the accent would give me away............
& no I don't eat carrots & have never kipped with a female memebr of the family, before anyone starts.
yes JPC, near Lowestoft
sounds good & am more than happy to agree & pay labour whare are you/he based?
to be completely honest, i have never heard those connotations about suffolk, nor did i guess on your accent. i used your work email haha!!
i could do it for you but vRStu would be your best bet, obviously there would be a fitting charge but not much, and hes a whizz at these things!
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i think stu would be nearer, but im near manchester
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vRStu would be your best bet, hes a whizz at these things!
:embarrassed:
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That sounds good to me, but I be losing the car in question.
Where are based??
ta
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Have you got a car now?
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Have you got a car now?
no, poss weekend after next mate.
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That sounds good to me, but I be losing the car in question.
Where are based??
ta
2/10
Paul must try harder with his typing & gramma.
He must also preview his posts to make sure he does not miss words :laugh: