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General => Random Chat => Topic started by: Sunglasses Ron on April 29, 2010, 12:18:05 pm
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Now I know i'm hardly one to talk, but i'm sorry what a joke, both sentance and judge..
http://www.blackburncitizen.co.uk/news/8121789.Fury_as_Blackburn_soldier_driving_at_143mph_escapes_ban_as_he___s_off_to_Afghanistan/
Now I have the highest respect for our boys and one of my best mates had just come back from his 2nd tour in the Ghan and suffered this whilst out there..
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/helmet-saves-soldier-shot-in-the-head-1803994.html
So I know what they go through but I do think that they get away with more than they should, sorry. :ashamed: And no i'm not bitter.. :grin: :P
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Agree, there does need to be consistency in within due process in the courts. The same can be said of the high profile celeb's that get off driving offences. Interesting picture of a focus ST they have included too!
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absolute b0llocks!!! :fighting2:
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So what was the reason for driving flat out then... does sound a bit wrong that, got away lightly.
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What is also annoying is the Police were obviously following him and I dare say goading him to drive faster before pulling him (seen and known of this happening many times). Why not pull him when he was at say 105mph if they just want to get a conviction? :fighting:
If the police were to witness someone about to rob, rape or murder someone, would they then wait till they had completed the task so they could get a better conviction, or prevent the crime from happening which is what they are suppose to do..
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What is also annoying is the Police were obviously following him and I dare say goading him to drive faster before pulling him (seen and known of this happening many times). Why not pull him when he was at say 105mph if they just want to get a conviction? :fighting:
If the police were to witness someone about to rob, rape or murder someone, would they then wait till they had completed the task so they could get a better conviction, or prevent the crime from happening which is what they are suppose to do..
mate,,,,,, they did exactly the same to me, traveling 50mph in a 50. A silver bmw then comes flying up my arse (must have done 60-70 to catch up with me) then sat on my tail, it was dark couldnt see in so i booted it. they followed (but couldnt keep up to get a speed) ended up with 3 points and a £60 fine! :sad1:
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How evil are those nasty police men, using telepathetic communications and forcing your right leg to the floor.
I bet those evil chaps also convinced all 4 of your tyres to instantly go completely bald and made you drive on them. :stupid:
Take a look at yourself Joe. :booty: :laugh:
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How evil are those nasty police men, using telepathetic communications and forcing your right leg to the floor.
I bet those evil chaps also convinced all 4 of your tyres to instantly go completely bald and made you drive on them. :stupid:
Take a look at yourself Joe. :booty: :laugh:
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Does my head in this sort of thing. He may well save lifes but its his choice to do so, no one is forcing him to do that job so he should not be let off
Also at that speed he could of killed more people than he saves if he caused a multiple pile up! Wonder how many other service men and woman will use this excuse now :stupid:
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I got banned when i was 18 for speeding over 107mph on the M5. i got a fine and ban, as well as a rifting in work and loss of trade pay for my job.
be in no doubt though he will be in a world of S**t with his managment, and this sort of thing in the army will follow you with things such as further fines for bringing the army into disrepute, as well as promotion bans for a couple years etc.
Im sure all of this would have been taken into account before deciding his fate.
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I agree. Just because a guy is a soldier shouldn't make any difference. For a start, not all of them are heroes - Most are just guys who've signed up to do a job. It's a hard and life-threatening job with the ultimate comradeship but that's all. Either it's Govn'ment propaganda wanting us to think differently to suit its own agendas or it's the football team mentality over "our team"/"our boys".
Incoming!! I'm outta here!.........
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You lot are all wrong and clueless and it was the right decision to make.
And im not on a windup either :happy2:
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Yes the Judge's decision was right.
If the judge was to ban him.. it would be for 56 Days... which is pretty much nothing. At the end of the day hes got a more important job to do fighting for our country saving lives... i can see the logical there
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Why does he need a license in Afghanistan or where ever he is positioned?
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Why does he need a license in Afghanistan or where ever he is positioned?
Well that's fairly obvious.. It's in case he gets pulled over by the Taliban and has to produce his documents of course :embarrassed:
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Why does he need a license in Afghanistan or where ever he is positioned?
In case he gets pulled over by the Taliban and has to produce his documents maybe?
pure gold :wink:
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Why does he need a license in Afghanistan or where ever he is positioned?
Irrelevant of where the forces are deployed, to drive a military vehicle, we have to be in possession of the relevant class of driving licence, be at B, C, H etc, , also we have to take a further "matrix" driver theory test periodically. As well as this we have to undertake a training course for each variant of vehicle that we will drive. in the case of this guy, he is a mechanic for the EOD teams so he will very likely be qualified to drive a massive variety of vehicles ranging from landrovers, through to HGV/trailers, tanks etc.
if we are to go away to any other nation with different driving laws such as germany/canada/middle east we have to undertake further training before leaving and whilst there to ensure everyone is upto speed and fmiliar with the new road systems/laws etc.
just for the record im not trying to justify his case, merely explaining why he would need his licence overseas
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Why does he need a license in Afghanistan or where ever he is positioned?
Irrelevant of where the forces are deployed, to drive a military vehicle, we have to be in possession of the relevant class of driving licence, be at B, C, H etc, , also we have to take a further "matrix" driver theory test periodically. As well as this we have to undertake a training course for each variant of vehicle that we will drive. in the case of this guy, he is a mechanic for the EOD teams so he will very likely be qualified to drive a massive variety of vehicles ranging from landrovers, through to HGV/trailers, tanks etc.
if we are to go away to any other nation with different driving laws such as germany/canada/middle east we have to undertake further training before leaving and whilst there to ensure everyone is upto speed and fmiliar with the new road systems/laws etc.
just for the record im not trying to justify his case, merely explaining why he would need his licence overseas
I understand the importance of his job and why he needs his licence bud. But does that make him above the law? :confused:
I should and nearly did lose my job because of my stupid activities and if it wasn't for the company putting measures in place for me being able to keep it, i'd of been fooked. I know he is in an important role, but should that make him any more immune to prosecutuion than me?
At the end of the day, he should of got at least a lengthly ban and if he lost his job because of it then it would become part of his punishment. There was a guy in Scotland that got caught earlier last year doing 150+ on his GSXR on a deserted long straight road and he got 6 months behind bars. I myself was touching cloth when I was in custody as I knew that it my of been possible that I could of ended up with a custodial sentance and it aint a nice feeling, believe me. But I had nobody else to blame but myself and as it turned out I got 15 months ban. Either way it sent out a message to others. This IMO doesn't!!!
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speeders get banned, potentially loose their job, house etc and put in prison whilst a paedo doing stuff to a 2 year old gets let off and protected by the police :stupid:
If I was in government only dickhead speeders would get jailed, people doing 140mph on the motorway when its not busy and a clear dry day can go about on their business
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@vtec abuser
im no saying he should have got away with it, i dont think he should have. as said i was merely pointing out why ywe require drving licences abroad on operations. as i said i have had a 6 month ban for speeding myself and got a rifting for it as well
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Why does he need a license in Afghanistan or where ever he is positioned?
Irrelevant of where the forces are deployed, to drive a military vehicle, we have to be in possession of the relevant class of driving licence, be at B, C, H etc, , also we have to take a further "matrix" driver theory test periodically. As well as this we have to undertake a training course for each variant of vehicle that we will drive. in the case of this guy, he is a mechanic for the EOD teams so he will very likely be qualified to drive a massive variety of vehicles ranging from landrovers, through to HGV/trailers, tanks etc.
if we are to go away to any other nation with different driving laws such as germany/canada/middle east we have to undertake further training before leaving and whilst there to ensure everyone is upto speed and fmiliar with the new road systems/laws etc.
just for the record im not trying to justify his case, merely explaining why he would need his licence overseas
I see. Cheers mate :happy2:
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I'm with Poverty and Rich on this one. The magistrate passed a judgement he felt appropriate and that is within the law for the offence carried out; so it goes.
Irregardless of the fact that most offences of this sort result in a ban (whether they should or shouldn't is another story), the whole point is that the magistrate has the discretion to apply the punishment as he saw fit. He decided that the best thing for society would not be for this dude to get banned, but to continue to carry out his work for the Army; hence the fine. Seems fairly clear-cut to me.
...the bigger crime here is that he was in an ST...
/flame on.
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Now that Sy has explained the knock-on consequences in great depth, I can better understand the court's judgement.
I can also agree with the points which Ben makes.. Poverty, too.
As is often the case, matters aren't always black and white and we here form our own judgements/opinions without being in possession of the full facts. Plus we also apply our own prejudices.
@ Neo: Pissing excellence again are we :happy2:
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As I always do :laugh:
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Guy i work with was caught doing 150mph on a motorbike on the motorway at 3am in the morning around christmas. Went to court last months and was given a suspended sentence, 3 points, £1000 fine and 160 hrs community service. How did he keep his license ???
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Why does he need a license in Afghanistan or where ever he is positioned?
In case he gets pulled over by the Taliban and has to produce his documents maybe?
pure gold :wink:
hardly.
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Why does he need a license in Afghanistan or where ever he is positioned?
In case he gets pulled over by the Taliban and has to produce his documents maybe?
pure gold :wink:
hardly.
There was no offence intended there dude. Was more to do with the case more than his efforts over there.. :wink:
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all i have to say is 143 is that all hes got? ha st's suck..........nea nea in all seriousness he should be hammered for that....st's still suck
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There is absolutely NO reason he should not have been banned.
He is not the ONLY person doing that job and he can quite easily sit in the back of a vehicle and be driven to where he needs to fix vehicles. In an emergency, say a vehicle has been hit with an IED, and he is the only driver about then there would be nothing wrong with him driving it then. But to say that his job is SO important he can't not have a licence is a load of cr@p. As i said he will be one of a number of soldiers who do the same job.
The are certain circumstances where "certain" military personnel can legally speed (which i am not going to go into) but they are highly trained (far higher than police drivers) and only do it when necessary i.e. it's a work requirement.
As sy has said he will get into a bit of Sh!t at work and will no doubt suffer a promotion ban for a couple of years. But he has obviously had a good solicitor.
Carl :happy2:
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The are certain circumstances where "certain" military personnel can legally speed (which i am not going to go into) but they are highly trained (far higher than police drivers) and only do it when necessary i.e. it's a work requirement.
....A friend of mine is one of those. When he's in the UK I know what he drives but I still occasionally get txt's telling me exactly where and at exactly what time he spotted me and I never ever spot him! I've convoyed with him a few times and he's always well behaved.
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As i said, highly trained :wink:
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As i said, highly trained :wink:
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Def should have been banned in my opinion!
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What is also annoying is the Police were obviously following him and I dare say goading him to drive faster before pulling him (seen and known of this happening many times). Why not pull him when he was at say 105mph if they just want to get a conviction? :fighting:
If the police were to witness someone about to rob, rape or murder someone, would they then wait till they had completed the task so they could get a better conviction, or prevent the crime from happening which is what they are suppose to do..
Thats what I always thought when I got donw, they followed me from 90ish all the way up to stupid triple figures, why not pull me as soon as im over the 100 mark?
They also try do me for dangerous driving, if its that dangerous why wait for me to get up to 140+
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There is absolutely NO reason he should not have been banned.
He is not the ONLY person doing that job and he can quite easily sit in the back of a vehicle and be driven to where he needs to fix vehicles. In an emergency, say a vehicle has been hit with an IED, and he is the only driver about then there would be nothing wrong with him driving it then. But to say that his job is SO important he can't not have a licence is a load of cr@p. As i said he will be one of a number of soldiers who do the same job.
The are certain circumstances where "certain" military personnel can legally speed (which i am not going to go into) but they are highly trained (far higher than police drivers) and only do it when necessary i.e. it's a work requirement.
As sy has said he will get into a bit of Sh!t at work and will no doubt suffer a promotion ban for a couple of years. But he has obviously had a good solicitor.
Carl :happy2:
one of my ex military mates was allowed to legally speed regularly, when pulled by police sometimes after a lengthy chase he would openly tell them fcuk off once he chose where to pull over and no chance would they be allowed to see inside the car. it was only ever non aware officers that pulled him for lack of vehicle recognition
you'll know why :happy2:
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Thats what I always thought when I got donw, they followed me from 90ish all the way up to stupid triple figures, why not pull me as soon as im over the 100 mark?
They also try do me for dangerous driving, if its that dangerous why wait for me to get up to 140+
....There's more to dangerous driving than just speed. I expect they wanted to see how you were driving. Think of it this way, they may have stopped you and just given you a verbal warning for speed. This has happened to me several times with unmarked cars and all after being followed as much as 10 miles and at times at +90mph.