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General => Random Chat => Topic started by: Janner_Sy on April 29, 2010, 09:15:13 pm
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I've always been a labour voter, but dont hink i cold vote them again, the only things is i don't rate the other parties either.
who are you guys voting for
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wheres the "other" option
not everyone folds to the same three :innocent:
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its there :P
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Lets just say I think Gordy needs to dust off his CV. :wink:
Still not decided yet but where I live was the HQ for the Monster Raving Loony Party......
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thinking i might vote lib dem's and see if a hung parliament can sort everything out
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I absolutely can't abide David Cameron.
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No idea, they're all just as bad as each other.
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As much as it pains me, to vote for most that havent a clue, i still maintain it as being HUGELY important to exercise their right to vote! ;)
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Don't trust Cameron and his party for the working people
Can't see Clegg getting enough seats to run the country
so better the devil you know
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Vote for this man.
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A vote for me is a vote for the stupid
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cant vote lib dems as they want to make it legal for 16 year olds to star in pornos. Really makes me wonder why they would even spend time to lobby for such a law change when there is so much more important things to alter or pass FFS. :mad:
Also its wrong, immoral, and goes against wholesome family values which this country so desperately lacks
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Even though I think that Gordon Brown is a D!ck with "bigotgate" and his smiling makes me cringe, I still think that the other two would make a complete hash of what is left of the country and we'd end up either bankrupt like Greece or have raging inflation (under the Conservatives!). Gordon was a good Chancellor and at this moment in time he is probably the only one who knows the way back out of the hole that the country is currently in!!
I'm by no means a Labour fanboi, but in this case I'll stick with who we have. Historically any new government that has made it into power has always blamed the previous government for any c0ck-ups for the first term in power. I'd prefer to see Labour stay in power and any c0ck-ups they make will definitely be of their own doing - a sort of "this is your last chance, so don't screw it up" scenario :laugh:
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I thing Gordon Brown is a bad Prime minister as he was Chancellor..
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The woman who cleans my office says if Labour lose her daughter and son in law will have to get jobs.!!!! :confused:
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I thing Gordon Brown is a bad Prime minister as he was Chancellor..
x2 how can anyone can claim he was a good chancellor must have had there head in the sand for the past 10 years..
the amount of money they have wasted and fluttered away on failed schemes, consultants, it projects, selling our gold at an all time low its simply astonishing
they have had 13 years in power so there is no one else to blame for where we are today... a budget deficit double what it was when they came to power, unemployment at its highest level for almost 15 years, a crippiling wealthcare state, schools and health care in a worse state than ever and to top it off 1 million new immigrants in the past 5 years enough to fill a city the size of Birmingham..
we certainly need a change, though to be honest it really doesn't matter who comes in to power as for the next 5-15 years we should expect massive cuts in public spending along with huge tax increases from any government as we really are in a terrible state of affairs and its so much worse than they are letting on
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There seems to have been a lot of good stuff i've read lately about a coalition government - make them work together. TBH having listened to a lot of what they all propose, no single party has my total agreement, but a combination of the big three seems to be the best solution.
What they need to get their head around is that this isnt some kind of power trip and stop wanting to be the big i am, they need to put the people of this country first, not their own political careers!
A hung parliament could be the best thing for this country - just so long as they can actually work together and not just carry on with the petty arguing like school children trying to gain dominance over the other 2.
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hung parliament will be an absolute disaster, don't try and kid yourself anyother way
nothing would ever get done as they would be arguing constantly and adjustments here there and eveywhere to each and every policy
it would lead to further devaluation in the pound and tbh it really cant get much lower or we will all be sunning ourselves in bognor rather than the bahamas
if it does happen you will most likely see another election within 12 months and that is the last thing this country needs as we need action now and it needs to be decisive
if someone can provide me with an example of hung parliament actually working in the past century then I might not be so cinical
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If they can get past the petty arguing tho it might end up being a good thing. The problem is at the moment, especially with these debates that have been on TV, its not really about policy but getting one over on the other guy.
Too many people now rate DC for the job, but his primary concern and constant repeating has been the only way forward is them in power on their own despite the fact that they dont have the best interests for us at heart.
Im not particuarly a Labour fan, however a 1% increase in NI isnt the end of the world and i'd much rather that than a hike in Income tax next year for example where we the workers pay the full amount of the increase, instead of it being split between employer and employee.
The end of the day tho, people in this country get it too easy to sit on there arses unemployed and that really needs to be changed so it doesnt pay better to sit around all day - there are countless women where i live who's aim is to have a couple of kids because they will then get free housing and benefits, one in particular i know has 2 kids, hasnt worked since she was 16, gets a free house in a nice area, rent and council tax etc covered and over £1k to spend, granted the kids will eat in to this but this is money i work my arse off to earn and she just gets it given to her and this country has far too many of these scroungers !!! At least when people from within the EU come here for work they actually work for their money - many times i hear that people like the Polish work much harder and for less - people in this country have become lazy and its been rewarded far too much !!
To be fair tho, if i had my way life would start resembling North Korea lol - none of this Prison aka Butlins Holiday Camp for being a naughty boy - put the fcukers to work and give us something for our money, not a sodding plasma TV and xbox in a nice cell.
Some of this stuff really makes my blood boil !!
:mad: Rant over lol
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i agree ant especially with what you mentioned on the social state, but this has all come about in the past 13 years thanks to the hand out culture which labour has created
tax rises are inevitable which ever party get in, the debt this government has put on us is expected to be around £90,000 for each and every household in the country
the only way we can pay this back is by huge spending cuts and tax increases, one or the other is simply not enough
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The way I see it - there all as bad as each other but as much as it frightens us one of them has to do it.
I wouldn't trust any of them with something thats means anything to me. Sometimes its almost like getting your hopes up to only let you down.
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hung parliament will be an absolute disaster, don't try and kid yourself anyother way
nothing would ever get done as they would be arguing constantly and adjustments here there and eveywhere to each and every policy
it would lead to further devaluation in the pound and tbh it really cant get much lower or we will all be sunning ourselves in bognor rather than the bahamas
if it does happen you will most likely see another election within 12 months and that is the last thing this country needs as we need action now and it needs to be decisive
if someone can provide me with an example of hung parliament actually working in the past century then I might not be so cinical
Totally agree, and I am very old so I remember the last fiasco in the 70's.
TonyZ
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Where do I sign to get out of this sheet hole :sad1: sadly I have no intension of voting for any of them cos all there wanting to do is give up the British peoples freedom and let brussels take over :confused:
They can all choke on there own policies for all I care.
Darren
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Where do I sign to get out of this sheet hole :sad1: sadly I have no intension of voting for any of them cos all there wanting to do is give up the British peoples freedom and let brussels take over :confused:
They can all choke on there own policies for all I care.
Darren
ukip??
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I will make some points. As I like numbered lists, the points will be in the form of a numbered list. I realise that although the Internetz is serious bizznizz, what I write will not change anyone's minds, and I'm sure you're fed up with my long boring monographs, but here we go anyway.
1. On a hung parliament - I do not believe this will be a disaster, despite the previous experience in this country. Many countries - most notably Scotland, but also places like Germany - function highly effectively with a coalition government, even when the governing party is in the minority. This builds consensus and adds much-needed oversight. I would like to point out that the preceding 26 years have consisted solely of monobloc single-party governments and have done much to damage the country, be it the 13-odd years of Labour or the 13 years of Conservative rule before that.
I'd also like to add that one of the most successful coalition governments was Winston Churchill's "all-party" government during World War 2; and that Churchill's appointment actually came about as the recommendation of his opposite, Neville Chamberlain.
With that said, let's move to some salient points about the parties.
2. As much as it pains me to say it (and it does pain me deeply) Labour has done an awful lot of good for this country. We might be on our way out of a terrible recession, but to be honest that's more Goldman Sachs' fault than anything else. Let's also remember the recession has been reasonably short (18 months, I think) and whilst very deep and painful, far from the nightmarish Great Depression of the 30s. Labour's economic policies have worked to get us moving out quickly (as opposed to a Greek/Spanish/Irish style neverending nightmare).
3. Labour have also done much, despite their breathtaking incompetence, to promote industry in the UK, and we are seeing a slow resurgence of science and technology-related business. Let us remember that the last Conservative government utterly destroyed manufacturing in the UK, instead preferring to support a "service-side industry" - that is, banks and hedge funds and the like - and the legacy of that is the recession we just passed through. Germany, with the strongest manufacturing sector in the EU, fared very well.
4. Labour has also significantly improved the infrastructure in the UK. The preceding Conservative government more or less abandoned the provision for new infrastructure, saying more or less "the market will provide". This resulted in mass traffic chaos, the deregulation of the bus system, privatization of the railways, and woeful undercapacity at airports. Labour implemented some reasonably sensible infrastructure policies which involved much road-widening and building, a reorganisation of the privately-run railways resulting in pretty good fares and reliability these days, and the provision for extra capacity at airports.
5. Lest this turn into an advert for Labour, I'd like to say that Labour in government has been stunningly incompetent, had little to no understanding of electronic data or infrastructure, has taken far too much time to do all the "good" stuff I've listed above, led us into an illegal war, passed far too many laws, acted in far too risk-averse a manner, and reacted in a knee-jerk fashion to far too many things.
6. No one apart from the Liberal Democrats have actually said anything reasonable regarding immigration (let me state my view: I'm all for it, as long as immigrants contribute to society and pay tax); Labour doesn't quite know what to say, and the Conservatives have somehow managed to turn not having a plan into a talking point.
7. Conservative plans for non-state-run-state-schools are laughable. Teaching is a discipline and should be left to professionals, not to groups of well-intentioned parents. Such schools end up teaching things like creationism as science. Likewise for many of these Conservative plans to invite the "people to join the government". I don't know about you, but when I'm tended to by a doctor I'd like him to have some certificates; I want to know that the bridge I drive over has been built by qualified people. Specialism and training matters. Letting amateurs run (most) things is a bad idea.
8. As far as I'm concerned the EU is a generally good idea, even if terribly executed in concept, and any talk from anyone about "pulling out" is balderdash and will cause major disruption and chaos. People saying such things should be laughed at.
9. One of the most important issues that needs to be addressed is that of parliamentary reform. The first-past-the-post system is nonsensical and should be overhauled. A Scottish-style proportional representation system would be better. The Liberal Democrats are the only ones talking about this. Labour and the Conservatives tend to ignore the issue.
10. No one has a sensible energy policy. Every seems to think all energy will be provided for by magical windfarms. Nuclear is the only realistic option, but no one wants to admit it; Labour are the only party to have made fumbling forays in that direction. The Conservatives are ignoring it and the LibDems have said they oppose nuclear.
11a. Things like "bigotgate" are to be ignored; we already know they're all liars/idiots and tbh Gordon was just caught unlucky with the mic. The decision should be made on policy rather than who is the frontman, because as we know, the frontman in UK politics is essentially interchangeable.
11b. With all that said: a re-elected monobloc Labour government would be bad (I'm fed up with them, as I'm sure many are), but they would be reassuringly incompetent and unable to perform their basic functions at the very least. An outright Conservative victory would be frankly terrifying in my opinion, and would stand to gut the country's industry and manufacturing sectors which is only just getting back on its feet.
12. The best option therefore, is a Labour-LibDem coalition; the LibDems would hopefully stop some of the imbecilic Labour policies, Labour would stop the worst of the LibDem policies, and some useful stuff (like electoral reform) would get through. Together they would also have some 50-60% of the vote; far greater than a monobloc government which would have received some 30-40% of the vote.
Who will I be voting for? Well, in my case it's essentially irrelevant because I live in a staunch Conservative stronghold, and under first-past-the-post that's unlikely to change (more call for electoral reform!); but it will go to the Liberal Democrats even if they are a bunch of Guardian-reading hippies.
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Ill vote labour, even though Gordon Brown is 90% spazmoid. I think if DC gets in, this country will be ruined.
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anyone but labour or cons. Not sure lib dems are ready i think there is genuinely a MASSIVE void and flaw in our government. Its not ran by a prime minister its ran by a whole team of advisors and spin doctors, the likes of which probably dont change from each election. So there really begs the question once this amazing, all singing all dancing, candidate gets in it wont be long till its business as usual. And with things like that doctor (his name evades me) who was found dead at the bottom of his garden all to do with mi5 and iraq evidence surely another indication of serious goings ons which we will only ever hear a tiny portion of evidence.
Europe is a joke. I saw quoted somewhere its costing us £60Billion....not a typo BILLION a year to be part of this magical club, for which average joe rarely sees a benefit. I dont disagree there are probly benefits to people somewhere but its not seen in our taxes or fuel duty or anything else. EU membership has seen a mass increase in population that has crippled our countries resources. We're become europe doormat and dumping ground.
In reality i think our once great much loved country is royally up a certain creek without a paddle. No industry. No money. No identity. And seemingly no one wants to jump up and down about it, people seem happy to let it happen.
I hasten to add the national party are NOT the answer, where many of their "policies" line up with my views on face value, i think its pretty obvious the PR machine is doing a good job of saying "Look we're british for british people" etc etc but they are still a racist, fascist etc etc nasty group of people. Not for me, never will be.
So come voting day i might simply close my eyes and tick a box!
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Crikey! That's some post, cmdrfire :congrats: :congrats: :congrats: :congrats:
I haven't voted for many decades but am thinking of doing so this time. But it's for the party whom I think will be the lesser of the three evils - Logic says Lib-Dem but heart says Conservative. Based on overall ethos rather than detailed policies.
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i think your right, really is lesser of the three evils as in reality its a two horse race with an outside chance of lib dems...time for a change for definate tho!
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Europe is a joke. I saw quoted somewhere its costing us £60Billion....not a typo BILLION a year to be part of this magical club, for which average joe rarely sees a benefit. I dont disagree there are probly benefits to people somewhere but its not seen in our taxes or fuel duty or anything else. EU membership has seen a mass increase in population that has crippled our countries resources. We're become europe doormat and dumping ground.
Ah, to the contrary! We haven't had a war in Central or Western Europe for over sixty years now! I'd say that means the EU is fulfilling its basic function!
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Crikey! That's some post, cmdrfire :congrats: :congrats: :congrats: :congrats:
I haven't voted for many decades but am thinking of doing so this time. But it's for the party whom I think will be the lesser of the three evils - Logic says Lib-Dem but heart says Conservative. Based on overall ethos rather than detailed policies.
Do it! Cast the ballot! Exercise your sovereign franchise!
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Oh i agree keeping peace etc fantastic. Good news all round. But doesnt that what being a member of the UN is all about? we dont reeeeally need to throw £60billion or whatever at something we dont need to be in. and we dont need to be in europe. We dont have the euro as it is so why do we have to have laws made for our country for us by none UK residents. Its wrong. and we still get bent over.
Example Fishing. Our fishermen have their waters and quoters forever cut or capped. Spain on the other hand simply expand into the areas our guys used to go. Where our guys have to under EU law stay out spain do what they want.
....on spain i was told that they take more money out of the european piggy bank than anyone else and put the least in. Greece are stuffed and as france and germany are bailing them out they think the euro will take a huge hit, imagine if blair had got us signed up to the euro as per the plan?!
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Can't let this one pass, even though I ought to head to bed.
The UN has its foundations in the Allied Powers which were victorious during WW2. Its main drive is as a place for dialogue between different states; action (that is, sanctions, peacekeeping, or armed intervention) can only be brought about from the Security Council, whose five permanent members were the aforesaid Allied Powers.
The EU had its roots in removing the possibility for war in Europe by building up strong economical, industrial, and manufacturing links across the Central/Western European states such that it would be impossible for any one of them to war upon any of the others. This role has been accomplished admirably.
Being a member of the UN definitely does not preclude ties with our nearest neighbours.
So. What does the EU do for you? Some simple examples from my own line of work: although the plugs may be different, the voltage/current range across the EU is harmonised now (220-240V, 50-60Hz), so you don't need to carry bulky transformers any longer. Mobile phones all interoperate across the same frequency bands across the entire EU (case in point: in the US, there are a number of incompatible networks, so if you buy a phone for one network, you're stuck and can't swap). Forthcoming EU regulations will limit the charges operators can charge you for data so you can't get gouged for downloading emails on your phone whilst in the EU.
Safety! Almost all electrical equipment sold across the EU needs to be "CE" marked meaning that it won't kill you and conforms to a number of standards (anyone old enough to remember when cars drove by teevees and caused all sorts of interference? Probably only Robin!), and don't emit excessive unwanted electromagnetic radiation (and in turn can reject it), meaning more reliable devices and gadgets. Your microwave is unlikely to kill you, and your washing machine is safer than ever.
Cars! Lots of EU stuff about cars, making them safer and more reliable. All equipment for cars needs to be "e-marked" meaning it has been stringently tested to a number of standards which are common across the EU. Your mobile phone won't break your car, and vice versa. All our cars drink the same fuel! No more fear of driving to France and putting watered-down fuel in your car! Emissions standards! There is no longer a brown cloud of smog around our cities because of common European emissions standards!
Air travel! The price of air travel has dropped considerably - I heard an advert for £29 return flight to Spain today - largely because of the Common Market.
Intelligence! At work we have a very good Hungarian engineer and a very good Polish engineer. These guys couldn't be here (putting their money into UK PLC!) if it weren't for the EU. Likewise, the CEO of Lotus cars is an Italian. Ross Braun at Mercedes F1 is British. Visa requirements for this kind of operation were difficult and expensive in the 70s and 80s.
Travel generally! I can hope on a train at St Pancras and travel on high speed rail all the way to Warsaw (changing at Brussels and Berlin). I can buy the entire ticket now! No border checks! I kind of like the ability to drive all the way from Budapest to Lisbon without a single passport stop.
The free movement of people, ideas, and products is at the core of the EU. Some electronics I design and which conform to the CE standards can be sold all across Europe! Good for me, it means I don't need to conform to a million different market standards and test to each one and sell the product with a trillion different labels. One little CE mark does it all.
If you work just about any industry there are EU grants and soft loans available to support your business. If you work in academia undoubtedly some of the funding for your institution comes from the EU. Considerable amounts of funding for research comes from the EU. Building infrastructure? You can get EU money for that too. Oh hey! Harmonised standards for infrastructure! That means that I can build a high speed train in France and drive it all over Europe where they have standardised High Speed Rail lines and overhead power cables! Using common security and safety protocols which means I won't crash into any other trains!
For sure, the bureaucracy is nightmarish and there are far too many people involved and all sorts of quasi-dictatorial characters and there's far too much red tape. And some countries do take the piss (looking squarely at Spain and French farmers here). There have been some idiotic decisions (the banana wars, anyone? and fishing as you say has been exceptionally poorly managed). But generally, somehow, it stumbles along. The whole idea behind the Lisbon treaty was to streamline things considerably, make decision making quicker and more transparent, and more reliant on elected representatives. Hopefully it will succeed in those goals. In the meantime, we certainly receive more benefits than many are aware of or are popularised.
/enough long posts for the day
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Major Respect to you, Neo! Really! BIG Respect :congrats: :congrats: :congrats: :congrats: :congrats:
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But, for me.........
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none of the parties actually listen to the general public and as much as i dislike the french their politicians do as they are bid because they vote with their feet and all hell lets loose with blockades etc if they dont.
when will the british people realise that by voting and protesting we can ensure the people in power whoever it may be this time do have to listen to us... its our country!
i,ll vote forthe party that makes real decisions against the real problems this country is facing.
these 3 for example.....
immigration- financial tourists coming here to sponge off of our good nature(read softness)-this is actually our problem not theirs-if i was in their shoes i would do the same- so lets stop giving money away to people who have not contributed to this country.if they want to come and work and be part of this country and our rules our beliefs our culture then they are welcome
crime- plasma screens in prison, FFS- people that commit crime should have their rights taken away not be pampered and rewarded
europe- keep the pound and stop contributing to the Eu. we are much better off independent and in control of our own destiny i would go as far as saying tax the foreign imported stuff more to encourage people to buy british!
ok i,m gonna go back to work while someone sets my post on fire with their flaming lol :booty:
matsu
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europe- keep the pound and stop contributing to the Eu. we are much better off independent and in control of our own destiny i would go as far as saying tax the foreign imported stuff more to encourage people to buy british!
See my long post 'bout Europe. Also, there are many things we can no longer get as made in the UK due to the Conservative's destruction of British manufacturing and engineering sectors when they were last in power (see my long post 'bout the parties).
Hey, wait, don't you drive a German car?! If you had to buy a British car you're now stuck with Morgan more or less... Where's your mobile phone made? Because I'll bet money it wasn't made in the UK. What brand tyres do you have? They're almost certainly not British. Got a digital camera? I've got a couple, and they're either German or Japanese. Got a watch? Unless it's made by Bell & Ross, it's unlikely to be made in the UK. Et cetera, et cetera.
I agree with your points on immigration and crime though (not that the rights should be taken away, but prisoners in for jail time should sure as hell be made to work). WRT immigration the LibDems are the only ones who have a semi-sensible policy; not sure if anyone's saying anything substantial about crime.
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theres too much to even reply to there :notworthy:....who are you running for in parliment? ha
I agree with your points but equally would have counter points towards some of them. Where i whole heartedly agree there are benefits for having close ties with europe I cant see how such an incredible figure of money can warrant standardised plugs and better summer holidays. I think if we did pull out tomorrow there would be little change to our lives. We would still import and export products manufactured to a certain quality stantard CE or otherwise as its in a companies interest to do so. Car manufacturers like-wise. As for forgein labour (you refer to engineers at your work place) i dont disagree there are many many men and women that contribute to our country...and many more that dont. And how are they paying into a uk plc if they work for one? But anyhow i am not simply saying. No. The EU is wrong. I just can see how or what we get for that obscene amount of money.
Immigration is another massive issue one i dont think has been handled well or has any forsight to get better. I saw printed in a newspaper the other day there are over 1million illegal immigrants we dont know there whereabouts. Thats not good. If we went abroad and did the same there would be serious repercussions. It seems the UK bow down to EU law and many others dont.
On a similar note this open boarders means that skilled labour and resourceful people can travel it also means that criminals, terrorists and generally unsavoury people.
Jipo's are another issue (or travellers if we're being PC). I live in the east of our country and we have a fair few of them around and they get away with everything. The police seem scared and unwilling to act. Iv heard too many stories of them stealing, fighting, assaulting, taking land that isnt theres and building without permission. Living on intimidation.
The most concerning was an incident that occured locally and i only wish i could give you details but due to its severity and it is on going i simply cant. BUT they dont pay taxes or put anything back into society other than their rubbish and they have some of the nicest newest cars around.
Benefits. We shell out taxes (and my road tax alone is eye watering) for it to be spent of people who have no intention of getting a job or bettering themselves. and why would they? Members of my family have benefitted from carers benefits but these are essential and worth while. Paying someone money to look for a job when they dont have any inclination to get one, give them a house, cos they have no job, give them dissability money when theres chuff all wrong with them is hurrendous. I agree help people but again government gets it wrong and all this human rights comes in but we give too much, we're a soft touch. Wheres our rights? Someone breaks into my house and i hit them, THEY CAN SUE ME!! America you shoot him and get a handshake from your local bobby! Go figure.
Again i hasten to add that there are people, genuine people, that recieve and deserve these cash injections from the government. And im sure some that dont recieve it, why, because theres bogus claims. Why arent we saying "right, you cant find a job, havnt had one in 6 years, right to earn your benefits you have to report to this depot where you will be out picking litter up from the roadside, or cleaning the streets" or another worth while task that benefits the community and ultimately the country. and make them do drugs and sobriety tests to ensure that the benefits arent being spent on luxuries. Because if i lost my job i wouldnt be able to afford such luxuries. (although drugs are bad kids! ha)
I think theres so so much wrong and whilst there are some rights the wrongs way out way them. And yeah another well constructed counter arguement could be put forward, but the facts are this happens. its undeniable. I wish i could sit and write all the things im happy with (and im happy enough! and i couldnt be prime minister) but im just giving my opinion from where i sit and what i want to see done.
Im not disagreeing with what people say or looking for arguements. Everyone has their opinion but im always eager to hear feedback and others ideas.
MATSU is spot on :congrats:
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Jimlad, Respect to you too - You and cmdrfire offer lots of very valid points.
However, I'm far too comfortable and apathetic/lazy to apply my brain to any of it. I know..... It's my loss :smiley:
It all makes very balanced and intelligent reading though.
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i work in a salon where 3/18 staff dont vote. not only do tjhey not vote they dont know who gordon brown is. who the chancellor of the exchequer is...... or even what that is!
go figure!
i see the benefits of europe and i know we dont have industry atr the moment but fact is we should have!
as RR has said. there are some very good points made and i respect all of your opinions....
i,m fcuking off to australia lol!............... if only :fighting:
if there are 1 million immigrants here that we cant find. how are they surviving?
can they poss be on benefits? or is it we are giving so much to their cousins/brothers sisters etc that they can all afford to eat buy new nikes and drink in my bloody local costa all day? i can find them theyre all bleeding sitting on the leather sofas drinking expressos!!
oooh rant over!
matsu
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i,m fcuking off to australia lol!............... if only :fighting:
if there are 1 million immigrants here that we cant find. how are they surviving?
can they poss be on benefits? or is it we are giving so much to their cousins/brothers sisters etc that they can all afford to eat buy new nikes and drink in my bloody local costa all day? i can find them theyre all bleeding sitting on the leather sofas drinking expressos!!
oooh rant over!
matsu
....In Australia you are forced to vote and if you don't you get fined. Unless there is an option to tick a "None of the above" box, that sucks big time!
I don't doubt that some immigrants are on the scam (it's in human nature) but it's easy to forget that most 'English' people simply won't do the jobs which immigrant workers are willing to do. Go figure.
Also, election day should be made a public holiday :evilgrin:
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There seems to have been a lot of good stuff i've read lately about a coalition government - make them work together. TBH having listened to a lot of what they all propose, no single party has my total agreement, but a combination of the big three seems to be the best solution.
What they need to get their head around is that this isnt some kind of power trip and stop wanting to be the big i am, they need to put the people of this country first, not their own political careers!
A hung parliament could be the best thing for this country - just so long as they can actually work together and not just carry on with the petty arguing like school children trying to gain dominance over the other 2.
Thread Revival :popcornsoda:
4 years on - what did you think back then and what do you think now ?
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Don't trust Cameron and his party for the working people
Can't see Clegg getting enough seats to run the country
so better the devil you know
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There seems to have been a lot of good stuff i've read lately about a coalition government - make them work together. TBH having listened to a lot of what they all propose, no single party has my total agreement, but a combination of the big three seems to be the best solution.
What they need to get their head around is that this isnt some kind of power trip and stop wanting to be the big i am, they need to put the people of this country first, not their own political careers!
A hung parliament could be the best thing for this country - just so long as they can actually work together and not just carry on with the petty arguing like school children trying to gain dominance over the other 2.
Thread Revival :popcornsoda:
4 years on - what did you think back then and what do you think now ?
A load of hot air back then and a load of hot air now. I don't believe a word any of them say. Will most likely not vote in the next elections or spoil my paper.
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A load of hot air back then and a load of hot air now. I don't believe a word any of them say. Will most likely not vote in the next elections or spoil my paper.
....If we're talking about the forthcoming Euro elections, or whatever they are called, then I can't be arsed - especially as I'll be away most of that day.
As a youngster I voted Conservative of course due to my family and peer group. Then, much to my father's annoyance I didn't vote at all for decades and think it absolutely right that people can decide not to vote without risking alienation or a criminal record.
In recent times however, I proudly vote Conservative again - Not because of any naive belief that Tories are beyond criticism etc but because in my opinion they are the best of a bad lot and my vote counters someone else's vote for the rest of the loonies. Hopefully the word "loony" isn't now considered racist!
I'd love to see Boris as PM and if Jeremy Clarkson loses his job he'd be great fun in politics too. People take life far too seriously.
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The game hasnt changed in hunderds of years and it'll go on in one direction only and never ever change.
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Why OH Why this Government borrows money, at interest, when It can simply print its own money.....I dont know. JFK done it though..... :wink: