MK5 Golf GTI
General => Product Reviews => Topic started by: Teutonic_Tamer on May 04, 2010, 07:15:51 pm
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Anyone done a review on them yet? :drinking:
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i had these fitted exactly a week ago, had them put all round for a reasonible price aswell
previously i had pirelli p zero, nero's on and the difference is huge, i personally would highly recommend them in both the dry and the wet and would have them again
i just searched on the net before purchasing to look at reviews
google is your friend
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For the love of god please dont mention any other brand of tyres in this particular thread. :grin:
Ducks for cover in the nuclear bunker. :signLOL:
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i had these fitted exactly a week ago, had them put all round for a reasonible price aswell
previously i had pirelli p zero, nero's on and the difference is huge, i personally would highly recommend them in both the dry and the wet and would have them again
i just searched on the net before purchasing to look at reviews
google is your friend
Im just about to put these on mine and still have the neros on for 20k! despite what T_T says i have actually really enjoyed these tyres but am hoping for more from the PS3's, im hoping there is a difference as you say but ialso th they last well too when the best price i can find is £551.20 fully fitted on mytyres.co.uk
was hoping they would be on offer at costco by now but im very close to the limit so need to get them done ASAP
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i had these fitted exactly a week ago, had them put all round for a reasonible price aswell
previously i had pirelli p zero, nero's on and the difference is huge, i personally would highly recommend them in both the dry and the wet and would have them again
i just searched on the net before purchasing to look at reviews
google is your friend
Im just about to put these on mine and still have the neros on for 20k! despite what T_T says i have actually really enjoyed these tyres but am hoping for more from the PS3's, im hoping there is a difference as you say but ialso th they last well too when the best price i can find is £551.20 fully fitted on mytyres.co.uk
was hoping they would be on offer at costco by now but im very close to the limit so need to get them done ASAP
i got mine fitted at costco for £559.81 i think something around that figure. Not sure about durability but like yourself im hoping thesy are good, i may have noticed a big difference due to running slicks on the front without noticing
let us know what you think about them
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booked for fitting tomorrow, the guy is coming to my work place to do it for 544 all in :happy2:
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i had these fitted exactly a week ago, had them put all round for a reasonible price aswell
previously i had pirelli p zero, nero's on and the difference is huge, i personally would highly recommend them in both the dry and the wet and would have them again
i just searched on the net before purchasing to look at reviews
google is your friend
Im just about to put these on mine and still have the neros on for 20k! despite what T_T says i have actually really enjoyed these tyres but am hoping for more from the PS3's,
I've never doubted the grip of Rossos (can't speak for Neros tho) - particularly in hard slow speed cornerning. My real concern with Pirellis in general is that they have a much weaker carcass than their competators. Now, the crux of this seems to be that the heavier the car - the worse they behave; and by the same ethos - on much lighter cars (say Polo, Saxo, Festa, Corsa, etc), this doesn't seem to be an issue at all. The Golf GTI - being somewhat 'middling' in terms of weight - seems to fall in the middle of the spectrum of load issues. However, on my heavyweight RS4 - the Rossos were truely shyte, and many other RS4 owners (particularly those who actually drive the car as <cough> intended) also reported similar issues and problems - including complete blowouts from total sidewall failure. As direct comparison - the Pirellies lasted just 4k on my RS4 - and the PS2s have gone 10k.
But the PS3s are a nice if subtle improvment over the PS2s.
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Am I right in thinking that the PS3's are asymmetric whereas the PS2's are directional? In which case, being asymmetric they are bound to perform better whether in the wet or dry.
Michelin also have recently launched what is promising to be an excellent road-legal trackday tyre which is asymmetric and dual compound - :party: :party: :party: :party:
Link: http://www.tyres-pneus-online.co.uk/car-tyres-MICHELIN/PILOT,SPORT,CUP/235,40,R18,91,Y,%28FSL%29.html
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PS2s are asymms, Robin. PS1s were directional.
Word on the street is PS3s are better in the wet, just as good in the dry.
PSCups have been out for donkeys years too... :grin:
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Nick,
I hope these mobile fitters dont mark your rims.
I'd also ask them to take all the tacky matter of the back from the old wheel weights cos they always leave some....grrrh
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Nick,
I hope these mobile fitters dont mark your rims.
I'd also ask them to take all the tacky matter of the back from the old wheel weights cos they always leave some....grrrh
thanks for the tips nathan, had a phone call this evening saying they cant get them! i have had a nightmare trying to get hold of these this week as Michelin wont have any for atleast a month but luckily a dealer near work sourced single tyres for me from across London! getting them done in the afternoon tomorrow fingers crossed bit more money though
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so they will be well and truly bedded in by time the weekend is up :wink:
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:laugh:
i will post my initial findings next week :happy2:
i know steveP has been running on these for a little while and he seems to rate them, id be interested if they are still doing the buisness for him :smiley:
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They sure are doing the business and will be getting a very good test this weekend :driver: :driver:
I will post my thoughts upon my return :popcornsoda:
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They sure are doing the business and will be getting a very good test this weekend :driver: :driver:
I will post my thoughts upon my return :popcornsoda:
Yes they will! cant wait!
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i have them on my car for about 1 month. Before them i had PS2. They are awesome, i like the grip, i like the fact that they are good even when it's raining. With the PS2 i have some problems when it was wet outside. My next car will also have the PS3 :drinking:
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Am I right in thinking that the PS3's are asymmetric whereas the PS2's are directional?
As TonyD correctly stated - the original PS1s from the 1990s were directional - the PS2s (along with even Michelins 'poverty spec' Energy) from the early 2000s were both directional - long before Goodyear dipped their toe in the asymmetric water! :P
In which case, being asymmetric they are bound to perform better whether in the wet or dry.
Do you know the real reasons why tyres are made in either symmetrical, directional, or asymmetrical? :wink:
Michelin also have recently launched what is promising to be an excellent road-legal trackday tyre which is asymmetric and dual compound - :party: :party: :party: :party:
Again, TonyD is correct.
But you failed to realise that the PS2 (as well as the latest PS3) road tyres are also dual compound - again, at least 10 years ahead of Goodyear - whos F1 Asymmetrics are still just a single compound!
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OK, own up time - I've had an axle set of PS3s for about four months now, with PS2s on 'tother axle. The PS3s are as good as the best attributes of the PS2s, but the PS3s improve noticeably in a crucial area, namely stability. With the PS2s, I could take a certain bend at 9mph, but with the 3s, same bend at 12mph. :wink: They now not only stick to the road like sh!t to a blanket, they also have the granite-like stability of Conti Sport Contacts. :star:
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Here we go :grin:
Something tells me I don't know the real reasons why tyre treads are made in symmetrical, directional, asymmetrical. Unless it's something to do with consumers preferring pretty looking treads.
All I know is that I have found the GY F1 rubber to be more confidence inspiring in the asymmetric format than the directional.
Do tell, and put me out of my misery. :happy2:
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Ignoring all differences, the main reason I avoid directional stuff is because I like to rotate my wheels - thus getting even wear and replacing 4 in one shot. I don't like mixing types/depths/makes.
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I've had PS3's since March and can confirm that they are great in the wet. I can 'feel' the road more with them as well (compared to my old potenzas), also on long drives on the motorway the difference in noise levels is incredible waaaaaay quieter!
All round very happy I just hope they last a while in terms of tread!
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I can say the PS3's are an awesome tyres for a average driver like me around the ring.
Two laps down this afternoon and the felt so much better than the PS2's last time out :happy2:
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Good to hear, Steve :happy2:
Are they dual compound do you know? What tyres did you have before?
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im yet to try them in the wet but initial feedback is excellent! even from brand new they have been very grippy, im very careful with new tyres as they normally need to be scrubbed in but i've struggled to get any wheel spin from these which is a revelation :happy2:
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Got some of these on order :jumpmove:
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Something tells me I don't know the real reasons why tyre treads are made in symmetrical, directional, asymmetrical.
Symmetrical tyres generally are for just peeps who want something 'black and round'. :chicken: Generally they are at the very bottom of the 'performance' attribute scales, and generally at the cheaper end of the spectrum. Often fitted to small cars like Matiz, Yaris, Fox, Colt, Fabia, etc - and are generally never lower than an 80 profile (though no doubt someone will find some 60 series symmetrical tyre :P).
Directionals, THE main reason why directionals were developed was tyre noise. Most directionals will be able to maintain a continuous contact of one 'section' of rubber from the centre of the tread to the shoulder. This means that the tyre carcass can be made slightly weaker. However, this then has a distinct disadvantage when the tread depth wears down - the tyres then become very unstable, especially over white lines/cats eyes/overbanding/ironworks, and even truck ruts. Aside the reduction in road noise, directionals generally perform very well in straight lines - so all you drag-strip tarts might like them. Big disadvantages with directionals are the shocking tendancy to aquaplane, especially when tread depths wear to even modest levels. And directionals are NOT particularly good at cornering - despite what any die-hard GSD3 or Yokohama AVS Sport fan boys addicts may try and claim!
Asymmetrics are simply the the ultimate answer for cornering. They don't suffer from aquaplaning in anywhere near like directionals are prone to. Asymmetrics do generally need a slightly stiffer carcass across the tread area compared to directionals (and those who fail to use a sturdy enough carcass are generally shown up when the tyres have maximum tread > ie Pirelli). Asymmetrics are generally much more consistent throughout their tread wear lifespan, and tyre manufacturers can elect to use two (or more) differing rubber compounds on the same asymmetric tyre (though the current fan-boy choice - the Goodyear F1 Asymm still does NOT use dual compounds).
Unless it's something to do with consumers preferring pretty looking treads.
Sadly, that is a well known issue. I bet 99% of motorists think that if the tread pattern 'looks' good, then it will perform good. This is probably the main reason why peeps still seem to think that directionals can out-perform asymmetrics. :sad1:
All I know is that I have found the GY F1 rubber to be more confidence inspiring in the asymmetric format than the directional.
Exactly - I think that if you can get rid of any perceived prejudices over directional tread patterns - then asymmetrics (from any tyre manufacturer) will (or should, if they've done their homework properly) always win over their comparitorive <sp?> directional offering.
Do tell, and put me out of my misery. :happy2:
Any help? :smiley:
EDIT: fixed some spelling and incorrect wording.
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Had these on for about 2 weeks now and they are leagues ahead of the Vredesteins I had on.
Dry performance is equal if not better. But in the wet these come into their own. As already mentioned they are a lot quieter on road noise
Best tyres I've had by far
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Ignoring all differences, the main reason I avoid directional stuff is because I like to rotate my wheels - thus getting even wear and replacing 4 in one shot.
OK, I won't disagree at all with wanting to even out tyre wear. However, just to clarify, do you 'diagonally rotate'? The reason I ask, is simply that for modern radial tyres (irrespective of symmetrical, directional or asymmetrical) - once fitted and 'scrubbed in', should not have its direction of rotation changed (except for spare tyre emergency use). So the current advice from all the tyre manufacturers is simply to swap the front left with the rear left, etc, etc.
I don't like mixing types/depths/makes.
There isn't any real problems with having different makes/types/depths on differing axles. But it is very important to keep axle sets matched.
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Good to hear, Steve :happy2:
Are they dual compound do you know? What tyres did you have before?
Did you miss my reply in post #16? :P
The PS2s were dual compound, and have been since their introduction (which was many years before the Goodyear F1 Asymmetics - which are NOT dual compound). The latest PS3s are still dual compound. :happy2:
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Fitted these yesterday, they are awesome! Miles better than the vredesteins and straight line grip is on par with my Hankooks, although cornering I can feel a big difference between the two but the side walls are very stiff on the Hankooks... Very pleased with them and will be getting another 2 when the vreds expire :happy2:
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Thanks for all your info, T_T :drinking: :happy2:
Methinks that PS3's are for me when I eventually use up all my GY and Dunlop asymmetric rubber. Should be nicely in time for Autumn>Winter.
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Sounds like an excellent road tyre. I'm running R1R's and am wondering what the comparison would be between these two tyres?
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Sounds like an excellent road tyre. I'm running R1R's and am wondering what the comparison would be between these two tyres?
....There's only one proper way to find out, but I don't think you can discount the fact that the PS3 is a road tyre and the R1R is a road-legal track tyre. Surely the PS3's will be much better on the road in Winter and the wet?
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what is the going rate for these pilot sport 3s then
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Depends where you get them from Sy.
I paid £420 for 4 225/45/17 but as you have 18's you will prob be around the £460-500 mark.
ATS Euromaster would be the place to go in Cheriton. They have an offer on with Michelin at the moment where you buy 4 Tyres but pay for 3. Also you get £40 of fuel vouchers if you send your receipt to them. Offer runs to end of May.
On Avergae though your looking at around £120-150 per tyre. Unles you go to sh!tfit and they wanted £186 a tyre :fighting:
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thats bnot too bad to be fair, i was expecting more. got anoter few months left in the vreds before i change. think i might just get the kumho V70s in the hard compound though, track day season is back upon us
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cheapest i could find was 137 each fitted. most places its a lot more and currently they are quiet hard to get hold of because Michelin have run out of stock until mid to late June
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I've discovered that my VW dealer doesn't charge me for fitting tyres if I buy from them, and they always match the cheapest price I can find such as Camskill online. Don't I make you sick!
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to be fair im more than happy with the price i paid for the grip they give, this afternoon was chucking it down and im normally quiet cautious in the wet but as already mentioned they perform brilliantly in the wet. Feels strange having so much grip when its tipping it. Just have to wait and see if they last well, im sure they will, Michelins have a very good reputation :happy2:
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That's where asymmetric tyre treads score, Nick - Great in wet or dry.
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I got mine at Costco - cost £140 each 'all in' balance/fitting etc
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Have had these on the fronts for about 3 weeks now and can say these tyres are a vast improvement over previous. They were Dunlop Sport Maxx so not that hard to achieve!
I have Revo stage 1 at the moment and they would wheel spin in 1st 2nd and 3rd. Now extremely difficult even in 1st. Dry handling is excellent. Haven't had much of a chance in wet yet as its been quite nice round my way recently.
Def recommend not to be disappointed so far. :happy2:
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Have had these on the fronts for about 3 weeks now and can say these tyres are a vast improvement over previous. They were Dunlop Sport Maxx so not that hard to achieve!
....So does that mean you have the PS3's on the front and Sport Maxx TT's on the rear?
And no ESP interference?
I ask because I'm currently running with asymmetric GY F1's on the front and the TT's on the rear but want to try out a pair of PS3's next. Then subsequently all 4 tyres would be PS3.
A Warm Welcome to the forum, btw :drinking:
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I have 225 40 18 PS3's on the front and 235 40 18 vredesteins on the rear, I have no esp issues.. I swutch it off anyway if that makes a difference although I know you can't switch it off completely :rolleye:
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i have vredesteins on the front toyo T1Rs on the rear and have done for bout 5000miles including alot of laps on the ring and on woodbridge airfield track day. no |ESP issues at all
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@ Aparoon and Sy:
Thanks for the tyre mix info - Aparoon has ESP switched off so, of course, it won't kick in (unless extreme circumstances). How about you, Sy, ESP on or off on the road?
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depends RR. if im just driving around i just keep it on, its only when im making 'progress' that i take it off. i dont use ESP on track days though, although i did at the ring, just as a precaution, and had no noticable esp interference apart from a bit of traction control exiting corners
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I've switched ESP from On to Off while driving (Nordschleife to GP circuit) but not yet tried returning to On in the same driving session. I guess it works to toggle between On and Off.
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Just had a pair fitted on the rear of my Ed30 due to a nail in the old exaltos.
They certainly look the part and the water channels are huge.
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i have had these on a 'roc as well as PS2...
the PS3 are notably better than PS2 in the wet, not much in it in the dry tbh
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I'm getting 2 of these on the front axle leave ing two gyf1s on the rear....I'm fed up with the f1's seeming eagerness to side wall bulge. I think I have replaced 3 from the front in the past 2 years, hence why I am leaving the f1's on the rear......I just don't trust them not to go within a short time. I avoid potholes with an obsessive passion, so I am not sure that this damage was ever caused by pothole damage. In 2 years I haven't had to replace any from the rear......
Anyhoo, back on topic....ps3's will be fitted today I'm buying 2 today from Costco at £140 a corner. Then hopefully the other two when the f1s give up on the rear. :star:
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Costco refused to put the new ones on the front....it's policy apparently and they showed me a video of what can happen if they don't :jumping: so for now I've got me ps3's on the rear axle and two gy f1's on the front with bags of tread....there is something different with the car I can notice it but not sure that I have the words/ experience to describe it. It is quieter I think and more assured.
Hopefully the f1's on the front won't sidde wall bulge for a while but if they do i have a good replacement in my garage ready to go. Costs =£282.
Sooo theres me tootling back to work, post Costco....BONG! yes youve guessed it tyre sensor....
fronts at 21 and 34, one rear at 39...one rear at 35. WHAT DO YOU PAY THESE MUPPETS FOR!!!! GRRRRssss
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What's stopping you from jacking up the car and swapping them round?
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^^^Nothing really.... may do so at the weekend.
I think that the approach from Costco is the preferred one (having seen that video)...however I think that more relates to tyres that are heavily worn, the theory is that if you all of a sudden have more grip on the front than the rear...your car handles differently to the way you'd expect and the back end can tail out...(or something).
In my case my rears have loads of tread on, so I dont think that this is any danger.
Having inflated all round now to 36, I am delighted to report that the ps3's seem to be providing a more assured ride (that said, how much it is to do with the newer assymetrics now on the front, I don't know).....
Hopefully the mich's will last a little bit longer than the GY's.....
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Have had these on the fronts for about 3 weeks now and can say these tyres are a vast improvement over previous. They were Dunlop Sport Maxx so not that hard to achieve!
....So does that mean you have the PS3's on the front and Sport Maxx TT's on the rear?
It is likely the Dunflops were the original Sport Maxx (directionals) - and not the Sport Maxx TT.
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I'm currently running Dunlop Sport Maxx TT on the rear axle and GY F1 Asymmetrics on the front with no problems and I've just this afternoon driven about 100 miles of twisty B-roads (actually A-roads but hardly so) at high speeds including taking off over a hump.
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4 new 225/40/18 PS3's fitted today so will see how it goes.
they replace 2 front PS2's and 2 rear Exaltos.
PS2's had done 19k miles (a record for me the last set did just 13k), exaltos have been on from new (so 44500 miles :surprised: and still had 3mm tread (Ive kept them))
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have to say that i have noticed mine have worn really quickly. fronts are just about gone after 5k. has anyone noticed how bad these are in the cold as well? obviously i know they are summer tyres but of all the tyres ive used before these feel the most dangerous on cold roads. going round roundabouts the back end steps out more and the front scrabbles even at low speeds! they were brilliand in the summer but now im not so sure over all.
for the record i did over 20k with my pzero neros and they were good in cold weather and warm. not as good in the summer but maybe a better overall tyre..
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suprised they have worn so much. the treadware rating is alot higher than most other performance tyres. Are they evenly worn?
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yep even wear :happy2:
i was suprised too! its all motorway miles too i hardly ever give it stick! :confused:
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I am still evaluating the PS3 before I create the full review on here, BUT I would tend to agree, for me so far these are a step back from the PS2.
poor from cold and need a few miles to warm up.
in the snow noticeably worse than PS2's (which I had on during last years snow)
wet grip I havent found any difference.
It would be fair to say Im disappointed so far :surprised:, if they dont last a longer mileage either then Im going back to PS2s..........
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I had ps2s a few years back and they were so poor in the cold and snow I will never ever buy a Michelin tyre again. I remember driving in snow, it was the most frightening experience I've ever had. Car was all over the place at walking speed and any slight incline resulted in me stuck. I couldn't turn, brake or accelerate, I had to reverse down the hill near my house, put the car on the drive and get a lift to work. F1 assymetrics were better, vreds sessantas are unbelievably good. Missus has bridgestone re50's on her mini, not sure if the LSD helps but it's not been stopped by anything thrown at it so far and is so easy to control when a little out of shape
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Disappointing updates about the PS3's - Many folks on here were ecstatic about them to the extent that I was seriously considering them next but now, as I'm totally happy with them, I'll stick to my Dunlop-GY Asymmetric's.
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now, I know its a slightly different drive train, but I've had none of the above issues and no real signs of excessive wear, including 60 laps of Anglesey on a trackday, very odd
and to wear a set of tyres out in 5K?????
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I've been running PS3's for 8K both on the road and 2 trips to a certain toll road and remain impressed with them in all areas, certainly no worse than the GY Assymetric F1s i had previously and probably slightly better in the wet imo.. Still got 5mm on the fronts so definitely better than the F1s in that respect :happy2:
Perhaps the slightly disappointing performance of the PS3's that some people coming from PS2s are finding is down to the fact that the PS3 is and never was intended as a replacement for the PS2 but as a replacement for the Pilot Exalto and actually under performs the PS2! , Michelin themselves have admitted to this and the replacement for the PS2 came out officially a couple of days ago...
'Michelin Pilot Super Sport' :happy2:
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/The-Michelin-Pilot-Super-Sport-has-arrived.htm
http://www.michelin.com/corporate/news/products/article?articleID=DP_Michelin_Pilot_SuperSport
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I need to get some 18's and get a set of them :party: :party:
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I need to get some 18's and get a set of them :party: :party:
Me too! :drool: :drool:
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the replacement for the PS2 came out officially a couple of days ago...
'Michelin Pilot Super Sport' :happy2:
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/The-Michelin-Pilot-Super-Sport-has-arrived.htm
http://www.michelin.com/corporate/news/products/article?articleID=DP_Michelin_Pilot_SuperSport
Are you sure, i thought these would be a replacement for the Pilot Sport Cup tyres
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I need to get some 18's and get a set of them :party: :party:
Me too! :drool: :drool:
Best make them 19's, chaps, looking at the sizes available!
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the replacement for the PS2 came out officially a couple of days ago...
'Michelin Pilot Super Sport' :happy2:
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/The-Michelin-Pilot-Super-Sport-has-arrived.htm
http://www.michelin.com/corporate/news/products/article?articleID=DP_Michelin_Pilot_SuperSport
Are you sure, i thought these would be a replacement for the Pilot Sport Cup tyres
The Michelin website refers to it's predecessor as the ps2's so seems that way!
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the replacement for the PS2 came out officially a couple of days ago...
'Michelin Pilot Super Sport' :happy2:
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/The-Michelin-Pilot-Super-Sport-has-arrived.htm
http://www.michelin.com/corporate/news/products/article?articleID=DP_Michelin_Pilot_SuperSport
Are you sure, i thought these would be a replacement for the Pilot Sport Cup tyres
You only have to look at the tread pattern to see it's not a replacement for the PS Cup
Pilot Sport Cup
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tyrereviews.co.uk%2Fimages%2Ftyres%2FPilotSportCup.jpg&hash=70beaa85fac1358bfc6aa262d80338f13412563a)
Pilot Super Sport
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As a result, the new MICHELIN tire has key advantages that enable it to rise to the challenge posed by its predecessor, the MICHELIN Pilot Sport PS2, which was certified as original equipment on more than 200 vehicles.
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needless to say if Id known they were successors to the Exaltos and not the PS2, I wouldnt have bought them!!!!
The Exaltos I had from new were utter sh1t3 (unless you want huge mileage as the primary reason)
Michelin have hoodwinked us all, Im not impressed :sad1:
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I went from Vred Sessanta to PS3 and i haven't had any problems. I have found the tyres in the past 7k miles to be brilliant and definately the best i have ever had ( i have used GY F1, Avon ZZ3, Vred Sessanta )
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Good review of then here on a nice variety of cars
http://www.porscheblogs.co.uk/tested-the-new-michelin-pilot-super-sport/ (http://www.porscheblogs.co.uk/tested-the-new-michelin-pilot-super-sport/)
Also mentions that there will be 18s available :happy2:
Need some new rubber for the cayman but gonna try and hold off for these, 5secs a lap quicker than a ps2 and lasts longer
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Any ideas on pricing?
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i should say in the interests of fairness, I do believe the F1 asym and other top runners are about the same as PS3, its just that in my opinion so far the ps3 is a step back from ps2
Its all relative and we all have a different 'wear profile' so its very difficult to compare
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that doesnt explain michelins website images though
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Have a look at the comparison with PS2 and PSS though
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All info taken from here
http://www.michelin.com:80/corporate/content/newsAndPress/products_and_services/presskit_MICHELIN_pilotsupersport_EN.pdf
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These sound good then!!
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Yup.
Hopefully they will go to 17's so i can get both cars shod in these :party: :party:
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Video here for anybody who is interested in the Super Sport:-
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http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/Search-Results/First-drives/Michelin-Supersport-2010-tyre-review/
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shame its not out until april! might have to just get another set of PS3's until then!
http://www.michelinman.com/pilotsupersport/
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I'd get PS2's over the PS3's, oh I just have :happy2:
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Super Sport it is then... :santa:
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Fella's - just about to get a full set of tyres, so if I understand correctly; the gernal concencus is that the vred ultrac sesanta's are a good value all rounder but the michelin's are worth paying the extra, with opinion divided between ps2 and ps3? Not had vred's before just PS2's. Thanks :happy2:
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well knowing how good the PS3's were in the summer i bit the bullet and choose to stick with them despite my grievances noted above :happy2:
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How are you finding them in all this Winter weather Nick?
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they are ok at the minute as its not too cold now been about 12-15 all week but ive got a spare set of pescaras that im going to put winter tyres on and just swap em as and when. if it doesnt freeze again then i might not bother taking them off we shall see :smiley:
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Ive also found my PS3's to be poorer than I expectd these last few months in the sh*te weather. (Having been very impressed in the 1st couple of months on the car)
What psi is everyone running?
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Ive also found my PS3's to be poorer than I expectd these last few months in the sh*te weather. (Having been very impressed in the 1st couple of months on the car)
What psi is everyone running?
I'm running 34 PSI all round, no issues and very happy with the results
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36 psi for me on 18's
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Found the PS3's to be a good tyre but wear far too quickly for my liking!
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Found the PS3's to be a good tyre but wear far too quickly for my liking!
That's never been a problem with Michelins before...surprised!!! :confused:
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i googled the pilot sport 3, and if you ignore the tyre group tests, and instead read the forum reviews from peoples experiences, lots mention very poor wear
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Mine have done nearly 12k miles and they still have just under 5mm left on them at the front and 6mm at the rear so not doing too bad :happy2:
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That sounds about right...I have always got over 15K from my michies...and I have been through at least 4 separate sets across various cars.
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it also seems at odds with the treadwear value changing,the PS3 is a harder compound tyre
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great tyre
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not a winter tyre though so not gonna be good over winter months
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anyone swap over to winters? vred wintrac xtreme excellent
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With PS3s all round, I run 44psi front, 35psi rear.
Final report in the end is that I was dispointed in the PS3s - wet weather performance being quite poor, worse than the PS2. The PS3 is still a good tyre, and doesn't have any 'nasty' traits - but I personally feel they are a small step backwards from the PS2.
So I bit the bullet and went for something different - Conti Sport Contact 5P . . . . . OH DEAR - what a mistake. Best I start another thread.
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It's a shame that they named them the 'PS3' as they were never meant as the proper replacement for the 'PS2'!
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It's a shame that they named them the 'PS3' as they were never meant as the proper replacement for the 'PS2'!
Exactly they were Exalto replacements which were standard fit on my Ed30. :happy2:
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So what's the replacements for PS2, given that PSS don't come in 225/40/R18 sizes.
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I run PS2's on the CK's and PS3's on the TD's, bought the PS3's when they were being marketed as the PS2 replacement. True they aren't as good as the PS2's particularly in the wet, but they are still a good allround predictable tyre. I've done plenty of road miles and 4 trackdays on them and they have never really bit me on the arse, apart from last Wednesday night when I span a full 360 on the motorway slip road :driver: , but that was more down to ice and my stupidity :smiley:
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So what's the replacements for PS2, given that PSS don't come in 225/40/R18 sizes.
That I can't answer! I was just told by someone at Michelin that the PSS was the proper replacement for the PS2. I haven't had the tyre size issue, so i guess in your case the PS3 must be!
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So what's the replacements for PS2, given that PSS don't come in 225/40/R18 sizes.
The PS2 and the PSS are 'hyper-sports' tyres. With the greatest respect, and as much as we love 'em, a Golf GTI is not a hyper-sports car! :P
I honestly don't think Michelin 'intended' for hyper-sports tyres be used on hot hatches - which is why they've restricted sizes of PSS to more 'exotica' and genuine high performance cars, and left the PS3 to fill the void left by their previous 'hot hatch' tyre - the Pilot Exalto. :smiley:
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So what's the replacements for PS2, given that PSS don't come in 225/40/R18 sizes.
Someone posted the other day that michelin confirmed 225/40/r18 will be available in none XL by March. The suggestion is that XL will follow shortly after
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Yes, I know: http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action;topic=42340.0
That was three days after my post! :P
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So what's the replacements for PS2, given that PSS don't come in 225/40/R18 sizes.
The PS2 and the PSS are 'hyper-sports' tyres. With the greatest respect, and as much as we love 'em, a Golf GTI is not a hyper-sports car! :P
I honestly don't think Michelin 'intended' for hyper-sports tyres be used on hot hatches - which is why they've restricted sizes of PSS to more 'exotica' and genuine high performance cars, and left the PS3 to fill the void left by their previous 'hot hatch' tyre - the Pilot Exalto. :smiley:
supersports is perfect for hothatches. The tyre was developed on porsches, ferrari and the audi TT to help rid understeer particularly in the porsches and the audi, and it does so well!
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To be fair, it doesn't rid anything of understeer - it simply moves the point of adhesion. It'll still understeer if you push it...
It's exactly the opposite of putting chinlealong ditchfinders on which will build in more understeer.
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whatever it is, the car feels so much more neutral now!
Cant wait to see what its going to be like with some track baised coilover setup
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Deffo. I remember sticking the PSCups on mine and doing a few laps of my local back lanes - I thought I had a different car!!
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Deffo. I remember sticking the PSCups on mine and doing a few laps of my local back lanes - I thought I had a different car!!
Amazing how much of a difference the rubber really does make!