MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: robokn on May 04, 2010, 07:54:42 pm
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I am in contact with a small tuning company who can supply the new RS6 V10 front brake set up at £1800 delivered that is a
390mm x 36mm disc with a SIX pot Brembo caliper, will need s small 4mm spacer included to space out the disc to center on the caliper, just bolt on better braking anyone interested, not a group buy just a very good deal
No money in it for me just passing on the info as I am replacing the ALCONS with these
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that disc will not fit behind your wheels i dont think
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Huh, do you mean you are taking off the standard OEM steel brakes, and fitting the Alcon ceramics?
Also, don't forget to advise that 19" alloys will be needed for 390mm discs!
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No I removed the steel brakes last year and replaced the with six pot Alcons which are shaking the car every time
I brake and they will fit behind the wheels as I have 19" Sportecs which are designed for big brakes and I should have
mentioned that you will need 19" wheels but with the general knowledge on here people would know that anyway
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had problems with my old alcons shaking...I had them skimmed whick solved the problem..They shook from new :stupid:
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Mine have too, and the money I paid I didn't expect such hassle so back they go and bigger ones on
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are you returning the brakes to alcon then for a refund ???
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Yes I am
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No I removed the steel brakes last year and replaced the with six pot Alcons which are shaking the car every time
I brake and they will fit behind the wheels as I have 19" Sportecs which are designed for big brakes and I should have
mentioned that you will need 19" wheels but with the general knowledge on here people would know that anyway
If its better brakes you want on the V10 RS6, then ceramics must be the obvious choice. For what its worth, when I spent a day spanking testing the new RS6 Avant, I thought the standard steel brakes with the Brembo calipers to be woefully inadequate - to the point of them catching fire! :rolleye:
Re the 19" comment - yes, agree that most peeps should know, but it can be slightly foolhardy to assume that everyone would know. :wink:
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:happy2: who did you deal with at alcon
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Thats as much as I can say sorry
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are u saying your alcons are "warped" ??
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Sean
Long time no squeak, good to get you back on here.
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No I removed the steel brakes last year and replaced the with six pot Alcons which are shaking the car every time
I brake and they will fit behind the wheels as I have 19" Sportecs which are designed for big brakes and I should have
mentioned that you will need 19" wheels but with the general knowledge on here people would know that anyway
If its better brakes you want on the V10 RS6, then ceramics must be the obvious choice. For what its worth, when I spent a day spanking testing the new RS6 Avant, I thought the standard steel brakes with the Brembo calipers to be woefully inadequate - to the point of them catching fire! :rolleye:
Re the 19" comment - yes, agree that most peeps should know, but it can be slightly foolhardy to assume that everyone would know. :wink:
Perhaps this will make it clearer I have a MK II TTR 3.2V6 which I took off the stock brakes and replaced them with the Alcons
I am now replacing them with the RS6 V10 brakes.
So NO to ceramics ans steel OEM brakes
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I take it this is an aesthetic upgrade, why would you need the brakes from a 2 tonne + car?
Have you considered the piston sizes and the the fact that the TT Master cylinder is roughly 20% less capable than a RS6 one?
You done the maths?
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What pads did you get with your Alcons?
I'm betting Ferodo DS Performance/2500s?
I'm then betting you've got them hot, they've melted and they've smeared themselves all over the discs, causing loads of high spots and they're now juddering like hell?
Mine did the same thing.
They're utter, utter sh*te pads. They can't sell you a road kit with a non-Emarked pad... thing is, Emarked pads suck ass. You will not have warped the discs, I guarantee it - I've had zero problems since changing mine and had them glowing, they're not so much as glazed.
Going back to the original problem, I had the discs re-polished (not skimmed) and junked the pads in favour of Carbotech XP8s. I also use Carbonne Lorraine RC6s on my other rotors, basically you just need to choose your compound wisely as you've got hugely powerful brakes capable of generating a lot of heat. Speaking to Alcon may well see them sort the discs and pads for you as a means of goodwill.
The Audi set up? Waste of money IMO. They're for a 600kg+ heavier car, won't be running the right sort of piston sizes to suit your M/C (i.e you'll get a crap, long pedal and on/off brakes) and you'll never get enough heat into such a big disc to get them working well... heat in brakes is good.
You've a good set up, I'd think about what I've said and talk to Alcon before jumping out of them, as you'll regret it.
EDIT: I'd say the same thing if they were APs, VWR's, Brembos....... it's all down to the crap pad.
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Sean
Long time no squeak, good to get you back on here.
Thanks mate, regards to you too. :happy2:
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Tony I have been speaking to Alcon since August last year and they think it may be the piston seals and not the pads
as I suggested that to them, they asked me to come up and get it sorted and when I asked for some compo as I am
a contractor so would be taking time off to fix their problem they offered me the money back so that is one of the reasons
The Audi ones are actually the same kit as Brembo sell for the TT and the TaT Shop have already fitted a set to their RS
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Hi, i just thought id post a site i was on a bit back if you did really want these and they are a 405mm disc rather than 390mm.
http://www.dcperformance.co.uk/cheap/374422/audi/brembo-gt-drilled-big-brake-kits/101-9501a.html
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I take it this is an aesthetic upgrade, why would you need the brakes from a 2 tonne + car?
....Exactly my thoughts too.
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Bit of both really and I have done the math as has Brembo I guess as it is their kit in another guise for the TT as an
upgrade, and the price is lot better i.e. £1800 as opposed to 4k + just for a two piece disc
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Tony I have been speaking to Alcon since August last year and they think it may be the piston seals and not the pads
as I suggested that to them, they asked me to come up and get it sorted and when I asked for some compo as I am
a contractor so would be taking time off to fix their problem they offered me the money back so that is one of the reasons
The Audi ones are actually the same kit as Brembo sell for the TT and the TaT Shop have already fitted a set to their RS
OK, I can only go on what happened with mine I suppose, but I'd still say 99% pads.
Oddly enough, the same has happened with a fair few of my mate's cars running various types of brakes - as soon as you overcook Ferodo pads, they cover the discs in crap and cause epic judder. You can clean them up with garnet paper if you don't want them reground (about £30 a rotor).
If it helps, speak to the lads at EARS.co.uk in Macclesfield and they might have a set of worn non-ferodo pads you can have. They use them on their rally cars and they're really helpful, I use them a lot. Clean up the discs, use the pads and see if they still judder?
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Here are some images on another car
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi715.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fww160%2Fjakethemoss%2FIMG_0361.jpg&hash=2cb253123847136567aa7007179b4639be1706f0)
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Bit of both really and I have done the math as has Brembo I guess as it is their kit in another guise for the TT as an
upgrade, and the price is lot better i.e. £1800 as opposed to 4k + just for a two piece disc
Can you let me have the piston sizes...
Not being a smart ass just v.curious
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This may help stifle your curiosity
http://www.racepads.co.uk/downloads/GT_Techinfo.pdf
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Yep mate thats the GT Kit....
OEM's specify their own specs piston wise, I wouldn't assume they're the same. Got a pair in my hand here that look like the ones in the brochure with 28/30mm pistons they're 36/40 on the GT kit for the Mk4 and Ferrari run them at 38/42.
I was hoping we might be able to find out the RS6 sizes - not to worry if you've got them on
Cheers
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Here are some images on another car
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi715.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fww160%2Fjakethemoss%2FIMG_0361.jpg&hash=2cb253123847136567aa7007179b4639be1706f0)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi715.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fww160%2Fjakethemoss%2FIMG_0368.jpg&hash=b01f17c23cd4edf2cc1b61410980b3a077e1c9c5)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi715.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fww160%2Fjakethemoss%2FIMG_0367.jpg&hash=9a968c5177afedd2c0e3ec10f4ab4c141729919d)
That's Mule's TT-RS, i've taken and posted those pictures :grin: Very massive discs and calipers, i was considering buying his original TT-RS brakes, they look very much like the R8 rears, what do you say Dave?? Could i use the R8 rear on the r32 discs?? :notworthy:
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So I take it they work fine then???
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So I take it they work fine then???
They are so much better than the 8 pots audi he had on his RS6 :happy2:
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Will someone please educate me on this, but unless you are actually track racing a medium weight car such as the Golf, isn't there a point where bigger is not better and where it becomes braking overkill?
Surely people don't go for big brakes just for their looks? :stupid: Oh, hang on, they go for slamming their suspension, so why not brakes.
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Yes Robin, you're right - big is not best. For many, many reasons.
Rotating mass, weight, inability to get up to ideal working temps, potential for incorrect piston sizing, F-R balance.... loads.
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Yes Robin, you're right - big is not best. For many, many reasons.
Rotating mass, weight, inability to get up to ideal working temps, potential for incorrect piston sizing, F-R balance.... loads.
....Phew! That makes a change - Me being right :wink:
I've obviously learnt something from reading all the brake related posts on this forum. :drinking:
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something i always say to people considering brake upgrades, is think about the cost of the consumables like discs and pads. A big part of the cost of the kit is the discs and pads so come a years time you may be spending over £200 for a set of front pads. Ive just replaced my front pads for about the 4th time in 4 years and had to splash out £230 for the pleasure of some pagids. the DS2500's had gone up to £260!
When I changed my rotors, I got some copies made up from hispec as they are local, they wernt too bad at £330 but theyre only 330x28mm.
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The cost of replacing the OEM stuff is considerably lower than the Alcon stuff and yes I am looking at those as an ascetic
point of view and anything must be better than brakes that cost kkkk's and shake the car every time you press the brake
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The cost of replacing the OEM stuff is considerably lower than the Alcon stuff and yes I am looking at those as an ascetic
point of view and anything must be better than brakes that cost kkkk's and shake the car every time you press the brake
....Effective big brake kits don't usually shake the car. Some may squeeel but that's kinda nice. Improved pedal response and stopping power can only be good.
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Will someone please educate me on this, but unless you are actually track racing a medium weight car such as the Golf, isn't there a point where bigger is not better and where it becomes braking overkill?
I sense a bit of pot and black kettle! :P
Surely people don't go for big brakes just for their looks? :stupid: Oh, hang on, they go for slamming their suspension, so why not brakes.
Cooking utensils again . . . :evilgrin:
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Will someone please educate me on this, but unless you are actually track racing a medium weight car such as the Golf, isn't there a point where bigger is not better and where it becomes braking overkill?
I sense a bit of pot and black kettle! :P
Surely people don't go for big brakes just for their looks? :stupid: Oh, hang on, they go for slamming their suspension, so why not brakes.
Cooking utensils again . . . :evilgrin:
....How do work that out, T_T? My AP's are just the right size and spec for fast road use and occasional trackdays. And my KW-V3 suspension is similarly setup. :P