MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: berttie21 on May 06, 2010, 10:38:54 pm
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I was just wondering how much difference to acceleration turing off the traction control makes? Obviously it depends how you apply the power but even when I am being progressive with the power with very little spin the light flashes, is this killing a lot of power or is this so quick that I would not even notice? I have a stage 2 remap with a TBE, Air Filter etc...and it can be quite a handful if not careful so I am not too keen on driving with the TC off but I am keen to understand the difference.
Cheers
Ben
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TC kicks in a lot imo, whether you actually see the light flash or not.
it feels much smoother and more race like off.
just turn it off and see for yourself.
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TC kicks in a lot imo, whether you actually see the light flash or not.
it feels much smoother and more race like off.
just turn it off and see for yourself.
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I hate the traction control, the first thing I do when I start the car is switch it off! :mad:
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although try it switched off on a dry day if i were you if youre not used to it :happy2:
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although try it switched off on a dry day if i were you if youre not used to it :happy2:
I second that, if you don't want poo to come out the first bend where you steam in too fast............
Or that just me :chicken:
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although try it switched off on a dry day if i were you if youre not used to it :happy2:
R32 - (Haldex Fuse) - (ESP Fuse) = :driver:
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although try it switched off on a dry day if i were you if youre not used to it :happy2:
Why the caution????
In days of old, when drivers were bold - and drove rear-wheel drive heaps of shyte like V6 3 litre Capris or 2 litre BDA Escorts, or 2 litre Twin Cam Fiats (OK, the Fiats actually did handle very well) - without ANY electronic driver aids. The Mk5 Golf has a massively better balanced chassis - and is increadibly neutral - for any even reasonably competent driver, there is absolutely no need for said driver aids!
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although try it switched off on a dry day if i were you if youre not used to it :happy2:
Why the caution????
In days of old, when drivers were bold - and drove rear-wheel drive heaps of shyte like V6 3 litre Capris or 2 litre BDA Escorts, or 2 litre Twin Cam Fiats (OK, the Fiats actually did handle very well) - without ANY electronic driver aids. The Mk5 Golf has a massively better balanced chassis - and is increadibly neutral - for any even reasonably competent driver, there is absolutely no need for said driver aids!
yes, but the current generation of cars rely heavily on technology and take the raw out of the equation, so rather than evolving with a car newer drivers have been birthed into cars with electronic assistance.
nothing about being bold, nothing to do with capri's, nothing about being a better neutral chassis etc etc :smiley:
more to do with alien environment/experience and reliance on what a person has become used to. not saying they cant cope with it, more that they should dip there toe in the pool before swimming in, absolutely the right advice to give someone!
a chance to learn what the car does and doesnt do on your behalf first. a drier day is safer than a wet day with the traction off if someone has never tried it. that is fact. particularly if they try to drive the car hard identically to the way they do with the traction on
unless you potentially want someone sliding off a roundabout or finishing in a hedge on a B road?
this isnt a dick measuring contest dude :happy2:
(this reads harsh, not meant to be TT :happy2:)
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although try it switched off on a dry day if i were you if youre not used to it :happy2:
Why the caution????
In days of old, when drivers were bold - and drove rear-wheel drive heaps of shyte like V6 3 litre Capris or 2 litre BDA Escorts, or 2 litre Twin Cam Fiats (OK, the Fiats actually did handle very well) - without ANY electronic driver aids. The Mk5 Golf has a massively better balanced chassis - and is increadibly neutral - for any even reasonably competent driver, there is absolutely no need for said driver aids!
yes, but the current generation of cars rely heavily on technology and take the raw out of the equation, so rather than evolving with a car newer drivers have been birthed into cars with electronic assistance.
That is very misleading. Take the VWAG A4 chassis - as used on Mk4 Golf, original Audi TT, original Audi A3, original Skoda Octavia, etc - this categorically was NOT designed to use ESP. All those examples did NOT have ESP when first launched, yet many (the TT being the most prominent example) gained ESP as the years progressed - yet the suspension geometery remained the same.
Now I fully conceed that all A5 platform users (Mk5 Golf, TT2, etc) have nigh-on all mainly been available with only ESP (actually, some early poverty spec Mk5 Golfs didn't get ESP) - the chassis is still fundamentally designed to cope without any ESP. Try and get hold of a Mk5 1.9 SDI Golf, with OEM-spec banana-skin Matador tyres, turn off the ESP, and you will soon realise just how neutral the Mk5 chassis is
nothing about being bold, nothing to do with capri's, nothing about being a better neutral chassis etc etc :smiley:
Of course it does. ESP can NOT change the fundamental laws of physics. The Mk5 is a superb chassis, and definately does not need ESP. Yet other modern equivalents, say the current Astra chassis (which is fundamentally a 20+ year old design), and is generally quite poor, does actually benefit from ESP.
more to do with alien environment/experience and reliance on what a person has become used to.
You are right there.
not saying they cant cope with it, more that they should dip there toe in the pool before swimming in, absolutely the right advice to give someone!
a chance to learn what the car does and doesnt do on your behalf first. a drier day is safer than a wet day with the traction off if someone has never tried it. that is fact. particularly if they try to drive the car hard identically to the way they do with the traction on
But that has more to do with the general trend for a very low 'base level' of driving. How many drivers who passed their test in say the last 20 years know how to cadence brake, or heel and toe, or even how to give a hand signal for slowing down. You only have to see just how much 'numptieness' occurs when the white stuff falls on our roads.
unless you potentially want someone sliding off a roundabout or finishing in a hedge on a B road?
If someone is enough of a tw@t to slide off a roundabout or find a hedge, ESP won't stop them - all ESP will do is make it happen at a higher speed.
this isnt a dick measuring contest dude :happy2:
I know - I agree.
(this reads harsh, not meant to be TT :happy2:)
No worries, I'm sure I've been in that particular scenario! :ashamed:
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Stupid i know, but i always feel having ESP off uses more petrol.... i guess in a way it does, as i keep my foot down lol