probably not that much more expensive to get yourself a set of braided hoses instead of R32 hoses.
probably not that much more expensive to get yourself a set of braided hoses instead of R32 hoses.
Braided hoses will serve absolutely NO purpose on any road car!
And the theory behind that is??????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :confused:Proven automobile engineering - and not sales targets like you are chasing.
They serve as a great cost effective improvement to any road car....They may provide a visual improvement, but they CATEGORICALLY do NOT provide any performance advantage.
Braided - Last a lifetime, all manufacturers offer a lifetime warranty anyway even if they didnt.And . . . . I strongly doubt that ANY owner would - be they use standard rubber hoses OR braided hoses - wear out a brake hose!
Made with stainlesss steel braided hose and fittings,Erm - many are NOT made with stainless steel fittings. Many are made with annodised aluminium - and these corrode terribly!
and dont expand under heat/pressure.And neither to OEM rubber hoses.
Improve pedal feel, and remove 'spongey' element.Again - pure BS. Any 'spongey' feel to a brake pedal is more likely to be down to flexing of single piston brake calipers - and has jack schit to do with OEM rubber hoses.
Made in the UK.What, like Leyland/Rover cars . . . sorry, but I'd rather have something produced in Germany, to TUV standards.
Rubber - Expand under heat/pressure causing less efficient braking,Sorry, but that is pure BS, and a categoric myth peddaled by sales peeps. Perhaps you would like to inform all those you are misleading that OEM rubber hoses are internally braided (usually with a kevlar or nylon mix) - and do NOT expand. (providing the rubber hoses have not suffered physical damage)/
corrode in 5-10 years without fail depending on usage/location,Really - and your facts are from where. I've worked on many 'ageing' fleets of vehicles - often parked up for many years, and then had to recomission them - and at no time, did I have to replace brake hoses within your 10 year timescale.
made with mild steel fittings.More BS. They are actually zinc plated. And they will categorically outlast braided hoses with annodised alloy fittings.
No warranty/guarentee against failure/corrosion whatsoever.Really - so why do new VAG cars have a three year warranty? And why do all genuine VAG parts have a two year warranty? And what about the Kia five year warranty, or the Vauxhall lifetime warranty? I really think you have overloaded the 'Bull-sh!t-ometer'.
Made in the Far East normally.Again, more BS. Your facts are . . . .
Oh, and as already said, braided replacements normally work out cheaper than OEM replacement rubber hoses!Comma engine oils are cheaper than OEM, Halfrauds engine oils are cheaper than OEM, CarPlan engine oils are cheaper than OEM, Champion spark plugs are cheaper than OEM. They are all cheaper than OEM because they are INFERIOR to OEM.
Other than that, yes, braided hoses serve no purpose at all on a road car.... :happy2:The ONLY purpose braided hoses serve on a road car is simply aesthetics.
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Foook me TT that was some response :surprised:.
Im getting the :popcornsoda: :popcornsoda: for this one.
We have supplied many of the top riders and teams on the islands and have taken results with Dunlop, McGuinness, Laverty, Martin, Hutchinson, Donald, Amor, Farquhar, Lougher and are very fortunate to have both Maria Costello MBE and Jenny Tinmouth - both amazingly talented riders and mixing it at the front of the field. This year, just like 2009, was a great year for HEL Performance on the Island and included:
Senior TT | two podiums | eight top ten | fourteen top twenty | 65% of the field
Superbike TT | two podiums | nine top ten | fifteen top twenty | 66% of the field
Superstock Race | two podiums | eight top ten | thirteen top twenty | 63% of the field
Supersport Race 1 | two podiums | six top ten | thirteen top twenty | 56% of the field
Supersport Race 2 | two podiums | six top ten | twelve top twenty | 55% of the field
Five Fastest Lap | Fastest Female | Ten Podiums | Most Successful Brake Line On The Island
SeanDave, I'm not gonna deny HEL supply some race bikes - but they categorically do NOT supply MotoGP teams (OK, I'll be pedantic - HEL braided steel brake lines are not FITTED to MotoGP bikes).
In the interests of balance and only so thats not exactly the case. HEL actually fit a lot of lines to race bikes. Theres loads of race teams they supply from MotoGP through to the triumph triple challenge,
I've recently come away from goodridge to HEL for a number of reasons. HEL ONLY supply lines with stainless fittings,Fairy-nuff on the full stainless issue. BSR are also full stainless steel (and BSR have the advantage of 'two-part' end fittings - meaning you can align the hoses much more accurately).
all the lines are teflon lined and not PTFE like the vast majority of OEM lines.You plonker - you have just made a right blooper. Teflon and PTFE are identical - Teflon is just the trademarked common consumer name for poly-tetra-flouro-ethylene - or PTFE! :P
On their own they wont make as much difference as say a pad upgrade but not doing them when spending hundreds of pounds on brakes always seems like buying a ticket to Lime Street and getting off at Edge Hill.I don't agree. I have the factory upgraded ceramics on my RS4 - and they have the rubber hoses. And the R8 V10 with ceramics has rubber hoses, as does the V10 twin-turbo RS6 with ceramics, and the V10 S8 ceramics . . . . seems to be a pattern - even with some of the most technically advanced brakes - ie ceramics - there is categorically no need for externally steel braided hoses.
In addition sometimes we dont have a choice, if you are for example looking for a Mk5 suitable hose to say fit some porsche calipers then the only OEM hose that might fit might be the ones from the RS6 or R8 they're too long and would more than likely be more expensive.Ahhhhh - that is a very different issue. And yes, I'd fully back you up there on that particular point. :happy2:
I'm with you though generally - you see a load of lads on the Mk4 forum who think nothing of spending 50 quid on some braided hoses and then not bother changing the fluid on schedule, sometimes the way they talk they imagine like theirs an egg shaped bubble in the line when they press the pedal :stupid:So the same sort of bull$hit which dubtek was trying to peddle! :stupid:
from the website regarding the IOM TT: if you go to HEL performance website and then MEDIA there's loads more instances...QuoteWe have supplied many of the top riders and teams on the islands and have taken results with Dunlop, McGuinness, Laverty, Martin, Hutchinson, Donald, Amor, Farquhar, Lougher and are very fortunate to have both Maria Costello MBE and Jenny Tinmouth - both amazingly talented riders and mixing it at the front of the field. This year, just like 2009, was a great year for HEL Performance on the Island and included:
Senior TT | two podiums | eight top ten | fourteen top twenty | 65% of the field
Superbike TT | two podiums | nine top ten | fifteen top twenty | 66% of the field
Superstock Race | two podiums | eight top ten | thirteen top twenty | 63% of the field
Supersport Race 1 | two podiums | six top ten | thirteen top twenty | 56% of the field
Supersport Race 2 | two podiums | six top ten | twelve top twenty | 55% of the field
Five Fastest Lap | Fastest Female | Ten Podiums | Most Successful Brake Line On The Island
We have been very fortunate to have been connected to some of the teams in Moto GP, Moto 2 and the 125cc championships but due to confidentiality agreements we are unable to list all of those on our pages. Great result for the Mark VDS Team in Moto 2 at Indianapolis with Scott Redding on the podium with third place - and with HEL Performance lines.
Inmotec - Moto GP
Mark VDS - Moto 2
Maxtra - 125cc
Hi SeanWe're all guilty of that! :happy2: :grin:
Sorry had to bite :signLOL:
From the HEL website (admittedly)WHO ????QuoteWe have been very fortunate to have been connected to some of the teams in Moto GP, Moto 2 and the 125cc championships but due to confidentiality agreements we are unable to list all of those on our pages. Great result for the Mark VDS Team in Moto 2 at Indianapolis with Scott Redding on the podium with third place - and with HEL Performance lines.
Inmotec - Moto GP
Mark VDS - Moto 2OK, Moto 2, and 125GP are two very different classes of bikes to the big boys MotoGP bikes. MotoGP are like Formula 1 on two wheels - the absolute ultimate in prototype technologies. But 125GP, due to their diminutive power outputs, are not demanding on brakes - high corner speeds, and maintaining gained speed at all costs - is key to 125 riding style. Moto 2 bikes basically have a standard 600cc Honda 'control' engine, with emphasis on custom chassis development - sort of going back to the old school ethos of building a bike out the back of a transit van - though granted things have moved on.
Maxtra - 125cc
But anyway.....Never been a fan of Goodridge, so cant comment on on them. But HEL, just like BSR, along with OEM rubber hoses - are
Good catch on the teflon - im an idiot no surprise - Goodridge used to use the convoluted lines on their brake kits - HEL use the smooth bore stuff. Terminology aside
But getting back to the practicalities of brake upgrades as mentioned above if you need a 90 degree M10x1 ended hose then the only ones I can think of are of an R8 or an RS6 hose from an OEM source, which not having the lengths published makes buying OEM at £50 per corner a bit of a gamble.......Im sure you wouldnt advocate hoses either too long or too short, on custom hoses as well its possible to specify a mid line fitting which fits into the bracketry on the upright just as the OEM GOLF hoses do increasing safety. Rather that than an OEM R8 line tie wrapped to the ABS sensor wire
So in many ways theres no other option upgrade or not