MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Sunglasses Ron on May 12, 2010, 12:32:56 pm
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Very interesting against VW's claims. :surprised: Especially as Steve Sutcliffe is the boy at these tests and knows how to get the best out of a manual car..
Or can be a good comparison for the Mk5 I suppose. Only other comparisons i've seen are these ones (which we've all seen)..
Not sure if this is on the Mk6 Forum yet, but thought you boys who are thinking of changing may be interested ( + don't think it's a repost :ashamed:).
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Yay...DSG. :congrats:
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The only thing that worries me with DSG, is that they occasional some cars get syncromesh issues, and obviously if the car is modded, and the stealers look hard enough they might just blame it on the mods.
DSG is amazing stuff though
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You see, this is what all us DSG fanboi's have been banging on about for aaaaaaggggggeeesssss!!
Also the Manual would be knackered after slipping the clutch constantly and flatshifting to try and achieve what the DSG does naturally :P
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DSG rulez! :congrats:
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The gamble of a broken DSG not getting repaired is only the same as the clutch upgrade cost when you've reached a certain BHP modding it... swings and roundabouts.
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Oh dear!!!. Im gonna sit on my "old Mans" hands on this one :signLOL:
Great Find Ben :happy2:
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Not point going the pod though in a DSG. :laugh:
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Test is a big fail anyway, looks like it was tested on a very wet road with a poor surface. as a comparison between the 2 transmission options its a valid test but for 0-60 timings its not.
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^^^^ Same conditions for both cars??? No doubt same tyres, age and mileage.
I think a very good comparision personally......
But there again, i collect my Bus pass and Heating allowance next week :wink:
Dam quick us old buggers
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Very true. Where i live the roads are pretty poor generally speaking and lets face it in this country....blummin wet roads most days!!
I guess what it possibly shows is the DSG is easier to get the full performance out of the car from standstill as well as being more consistent.
I well rehearsed, competent manual driver may well be able to achieve consistent times. Having said that, Steve Sutcliffe is a pretty competent driver so contradicts that argument. :rolleye:
Anyhow...I'm a hand fisted so and so, so DSG makes life easier for me. :happy2:
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Test is a big fail anyway, looks like it was tested on a very wet road with a poor surface. as a comparison between the 2 transmission options its a valid test but for 0-60 timings its not.
Same car, same conditions, but more importantly they're both 4WD.. If it the same test with the Rocco R then I could undersatnd. But I don't think the wet would make any odds with regards the difference in times.
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i can see what PDT means its the fact the 0-60 times are not valid due to the surface. everyone knows DSG is faster :happy2:
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i can see what PDT means its the fact the 0-60 times are not valid due to the surface. everyone knows DSG is faster :happy2:
Yeah hairy muff. Didn't read his post properly to be fair.. Still don't think it'd make up 6-7/10ths on a dry road though..
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Manual was a more-door lard arse, probably had a sunroof too.... *whistles whilst walking away.
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Not point going the pod though in a DSG. :laugh:
Please explain :confused: :grin:
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Manual was a more-door lard arse, probably had a sunroof too.... *whistles whilst walking away.
You know you want one Mike :wink:
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Manual was a more-door lard arse, probably had a sunroof too.... *whistles whilst walking away.
You know you want one Mike :wink:
Ha ha!
I was going more along the lines of VW supplying different press cars to stack the cards in one's favour, to make more people buy DSG.
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What is the weight difference between a 3 and 5 door variant?
One thing to perhas balance the cards is that the DSG gearbox is 20-30kg heavier than the manual isn it not?
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I don't know, t'was more tongue in cheek and you're right about the box.
Stands to reason more doors and a big lump of toughened glass with the mechanisms etc weigh more than 1mm steel though.
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My comment regarding the times being invalid is based on the presenter having a whinge that the times he achieved werent anywhere near VW's claimed times.
Fair point, but I bet VW didnt get their times on a soaking wet road with what looks like a bad surface. A bit like me dyno testing a car with a claimed 200bhp and it only achieving 180bhp because I dyno'd it with wet tyres that causes slip.
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Fair point, but I bet VW didnt get their times on a soaking wet road with what looks like a bad surface. A bit like me dyno testing a car with a claimed 200bhp and it only achieving 180bhp because I dyno'd it with wet tyres that causes slip.
Very true. :happy2:
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^^^^ Same conditions for both cars??? No doubt same tyres, age and mileage.
I think a very good comparision personally......
]But there again, i collect my Bus pass and Heating allowance next week :wink:
Dam quick us old buggers
That can't be right, I thought I was the oldest Gti driver in Southampton!! :jumpmove:
TonyZ
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Another fellow Southamptoner :happy2:
Welcome again Tony :happy2:
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The gamble of a broken DSG not getting repaired is only the same as the clutch upgrade cost when you've reached a certain BHP modding it... swings and roundabouts.
£300-400 for an extended third party warranty is well worth it IMHO - I will be sure I take one out. More than pays for it's self if/when the MCU gives up.
It's somewhat ironic that some 90% or so of the problems with DSG are actually design faults (faulty MCU) rather than people blowing them up by exceeding the mythical torque limit of the box due to sending too much power through it, which is what everyone seemed to be worried about in the early days. Mechanically they seem to be pretty robust - its the mechatronics that are the weak link.
Despite VW UK's attitude to the DSG problems, I can confirm that VW are very very aware of the problems that exist. Just like they are VERY aware of the issues with FSI engines gunking up their inlet valves.
EDIT: I'm from Soton orginally too... And my R was registed at Peter Cooper as well :happy2:
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until they bring the premium of the DSG option down a bit...i won't be speccing it (however good it is)
well unless i start earning mega bucks then the £2k won't bother me :signLOL:
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until they bring the premium of the DSG option down a bit...i won't be speccing it (however good it is)
well unless i start earning mega bucks then the £2k won't bother me :signLOL:
it is a £1350 option. :happy2:
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still needs to come down a bit more :grin:
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The gamble of a broken DSG not getting repaired is only the same as the clutch upgrade cost when you've reached a certain BHP modding it... swings and roundabouts.
£300-400 for an extended third party warranty is well worth it IMHO - I will be sure I take one out. More than pays for it's self if/when the MCU gives up.
It's somewhat ironic that some 90% or so of the problems with DSG are actually design faults (faulty MCU) rather than people blowing them up by exceeding the mythical torque limit of the box due to sending too much power through it, which is what everyone seemed to be worried about in the early days. Mechanically they seem to be pretty robust - its the mechatronics that are the weak link.
Despite VW UK's attitude to the DSG problems, I can confirm that VW are very very aware of the problems that exist. Just like they are VERY aware of the issues with FSI engines gunking up their inlet valves.
EDIT: I'm from Soton orginally too... And my R was registed at Peter Cooper as well :happy2:
yeah they seem to handle the power fine, just seems that some people, especially on the TT forums keep having reoccuring issues with the dsg
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The gamble of a broken DSG not getting repaired is only the same as the clutch upgrade cost when you've reached a certain BHP modding it... swings and roundabouts.
Last I heard VAG wont repair dsg boxes, but just fit replacements? Can people work on the DSG unit yet?
The clutch of the DSG doesnt worry me, its just the mechatronic units which can be troublesome,
New manual box is 2k, and they will want the old one aswell, new DSG box must be about 3-4k?
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The gamble of a broken DSG not getting repaired is only the same as the clutch upgrade cost when you've reached a certain BHP modding it... swings and roundabouts.
Last I heard VAG wont repair dsg boxes, but just fit replacements? Can people work on the DSG unit yet?
The clutch of the DSG doesnt worry me, its just the mechatronic units which can be troublesome,
New manual box is 2k, and they will want the old one aswell, new DSG box must be about 3-4k?
MCU is £1600 on it's own and is normally what they replace first. I know of one instance on an R32 where VW stumped up £1000 even though the car was out of warranty. In the US I think there was a formal recall and the replacement MCU is warranted for 10yrs! Shame we don't have the Class Action Law Suit over here otherwise we might get a similar result!
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Nice find Ben ;)
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6 or 7 tenths of a second!!!!!! , how could you live with that :laugh: you speed freaks make me laugh :grin:
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Nice find Ben ;)
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Tell you what mate, if I wasn't on the ball... :signLOL:
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6 or 7 tenths of a second!!!!!! , how could you live with that :laugh: you speed freaks make me laugh :grin:
Believe it or not Ian, that would be fairly noticeable on the road, especially if the difference also continued to get greater as the speed rises and more changes were involved.
It depends which way you look at it I suppose. I would class say 4 car lengths between 2 cars to 100mph for instance, as being a fair bit quicker. Where as some people who can still see the other car a mile up the road class that as being "not a lot in it".. :signLOL:
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Tell you what mate, if I wasn't on the ball... :signLOL:
:happy2:
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my mates s3 dsg used to nearly make up for the fact that mine was revod and his wasnt. Awesome stuff.
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DSG is the way forward...
They didn't even do the new Ferrari Italia in Manual - only DSG :innocent:
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Wish I got dsg :( stupid mrs didn't like the sound of not habit a clutch!!! Lol.
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my mates s3 dsg used to nearly make up for the fact that mine was revod and his wasnt. Awesome stuff.
Same when my two mates had a side by side blast at Brunters. One had a Revo Stage 2+ S3 3dr, the other had a Revo Stage 1 S3 Sportback S-Tronic (DSG) and upto about 120-30 there was less than a car length between them.. :surprised: The Stage 2+ was clearly the quicker car in gear and noticably made ground. But as soon as he changed gear, the ground he made was near enough completely cancelled out and he wasn't slow on the stick either (bloody quick in fact). :surprised:
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DSG is the way forward...
They didn't even do the new Ferrari Italia in Manual - only DSG :innocent:
DSG is the way forward, but the 458 Italia has a single-clutch sequential manual 'box. The Ferrari California has a twin-clutch unit similar to BMW's DSC as it was more in line with the character of that car.
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my mates s3 dsg used to nearly make up for the fact that mine was revod and his wasnt. Awesome stuff.
Same when my two mates had a side by side blast at Brunters. One had a Revo Stage 2+ S3 3dr, the other had a Revo Stage 1 S3 Sportback S-Tronic (DSG) and upto about 120-30 there was less than a car length between them.. :surprised: The Stage 2+ was clearly the quicker car in gear and noticably made ground. But as soon as he changed gear, the ground he made was near enough completely cancelled out and he wasn't slow on the stick either (bloody quick in fact). :surprised:
Stage 2+ S3 S-Tronic is blindingly quick.............................................when the turbo works :scared: :scared:
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DSG is the way forward, but the 458 Italia has a single-clutch sequential manual 'box. The Ferrari California has a twin-clutch unit similar to BMW's DSC as it was more in line with the character of that car.
458 Italia uses a 7 speed dual-clutch gearbox developed by Getrag.. :happy2:
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DSG is the way forward, but the 458 Italia has a single-clutch sequential manual 'box. The Ferrari California has a twin-clutch unit similar to BMW's DSC as it was more in line with the character of that car.
458 Italia uses a 7 speed dual-clutch gearbox developed by Getrag.. :happy2:
Crap, you're absolutely right, my mistake. I was thinking of the 599GTO.
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my mates s3 dsg used to nearly make up for the fact that mine was revod and his wasnt. Awesome stuff.
Same when my two mates had a side by side blast at Brunters. One had a Revo Stage 2+ S3 3dr, the other had a Revo Stage 1 S3 Sportback S-Tronic (DSG) and upto about 120-30 there was less than a car length between them.. :surprised: The Stage 2+ was clearly the quicker car in gear and noticably made ground. But as soon as he changed gear, the ground he made was near enough completely cancelled out and he wasn't slow on the stick either (bloody quick in fact). :surprised:
Stage 2+ S3 S-Tronic is blindingly quick.............................................when the turbo works :scared: :scared:
Can't wait to test mine now.. :jumping:
What's up with your blower Tom??? :confused:
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Crap, you're absolutely right, my mistake. I was thinking of the 599GTO.
Ha no worries.. That 458 is just beautiful.. Absolute master piece!
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The gamble of a broken DSG not getting repaired is only the same as the clutch upgrade cost when you've reached a certain BHP modding it... swings and roundabouts.
Last I heard VAG wont repair dsg boxes, but just fit replacements? Can people work on the DSG unit yet?
The clutch of the DSG doesnt worry me, its just the mechatronic units which can be troublesome,
New manual box is 2k, and they will want the old one aswell, new DSG box must be about 3-4k?
Yes
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my mates s3 dsg used to nearly make up for the fact that mine was revod and his wasnt. Awesome stuff.
Same when my two mates had a side by side blast at Brunters. One had a Revo Stage 2+ S3 3dr, the other had a Revo Stage 1 S3 Sportback S-Tronic (DSG) and upto about 120-30 there was less than a car length between them.. :surprised: The Stage 2+ was clearly the quicker car in gear and noticably made ground. But as soon as he changed gear, the ground he made was near enough completely cancelled out and he wasn't slow on the stick either (bloody quick in fact). :surprised:
Stage 2+ S3 S-Tronic is blindingly quick.............................................when the turbo works :scared: :scared:
Can't wait to test mine now.. :jumping:
What's up with your blower Tom??? :confused:
It's fooked I think :scared: :scared:
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Bits off and back to Audi then? :wink:
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Bits off and back to Audi then? :wink:
Indeed :wink: