MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Performance Modifications => Topic started by: Tfsi_Mike on May 12, 2010, 08:52:20 pm
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Dismiss this as a retarded question but I just dont know...
The Cupra isnt available with DSG but other models of leon are.
Is it possible to retro fit Dsg to a non Dsg car??? I assume it would be costly if so
Hit me :happy2:
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spek to monk. i think he retro fitted DSG into his when he swapped the ko3 engine for a k04
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Yes it is possible i believe. :happy2: Has Monk still not got a Ko 4 + Dsg engine knocking about for sale. :happy2:
Probably cheaper to do the whole transplant if he has. :smiley:
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oooooh :evilgrin: lol
I must stop forgetting my wedding! :laugh:
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Monk doesn't have the DSG gearbox with the Quaife diff in anymore :innocent: :wink:
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Think Im going to test drive a Dsg car and if i likee it will be the big mod with savings after next op tour. Was going to be a carbon frenzy but I'll have 6months in the sand pit to decide :party:
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Think Im going to test drive a Dsg car and if i likee it will be the big mod with savings after next op tour. Was going to be a carbon frenzy but I'll have 6months in the sand pit to decide :party:
think about it mte, cameron said he would be doubling our Op allowance :jumping: :jumping: :jumping: hopefully he'll be true to his word
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Think Im going to test drive a Dsg car and if i likee it will be the big mod with savings after next op tour. Was going to be a carbon frenzy but I'll have 6months in the sand pit to decide :party:
think about it mte, cameron said he would be doubling our Op allowance :jumping: :jumping: :jumping: hopefully he'll be true to his word
Okay. DSG transplant AND Carbon frenzy :party: :party: :party:
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Just for info guys, the Seat Leon Cupra cup car has DSG box in, so must be a goer, they also run standard blocks etc.
There are race teams all over europe and the uk with these cars, may be worth trying to get hold of them for info, i also believe the DSG boxes they run are with a map giving stronger launch control function and pit limiter mode as well. :party:
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It will depend on the loom they use in the Cupra. If the loom doesn't have the functional capacity for the DSG built in then it would mean a new loom = costly. I'll look into this tomorrow for you Mike. :happy2:
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What makes up the system?
ECUs? Looms? Is it heavily intergrated with the engine ecu? Best to buy engine box & wiring complete from a tfsi dsg car?
Quick search brought this up
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/GOLF-GTI-30TH-2-0T-TURBO-GEARBOX-KPV-AUDI-DSG-TFSI-2009-/170472533867?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item27b0f46f6b#ht_2305wt_1165
I estimate id get £1500 for my Tfsi That should buy a dsg ready motor (if needed) and £800 for a box. Alot of cost I think would be extra electronics, programming, labour & associated parts (gearstick & centre console, steering wheel, flappy paddles etc etc)
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http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/23874/SEAT_Leon_Supercopa_new_or_used_cars_available.html
All mods done for you! :signLOL:
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Get an ED30 DSG Mike, part ex the Cupra and swap all the kit onto it :happy2:
I guess then it wouldn't be unique though :sad1:
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Get an ED30 DSG Mike, part ex the Cupra and swap all the kit onto it :happy2:
I guess then it wouldn't be unique though :sad1:
x2 .. but a Pirelli maybe if you want to be a 'little' different if that bothers you... :happy2:
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I cant imagine they will have a different wiring loom from the FR to the Cupra, so would imagine a TFSI and DSG should slot in nicely.
Do Audi do a 7 speed transverse DSG that can handle some decent power? That would be an interesting car if you were doing the change.
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You are wrong Rich.
I've spoken to Steve at Statllers and you will need a new loom. Also the MFD will need changing to a DSG version. The Wheel will obviously need altering if you want paddle control (could use an FR Leon version), plus several other mods that you don't think of, like changing the bulkhead from a 3 pedal to 2 pedal arrangement etc.
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You are wrong Rich.
I've spoken to Steve at Statllers and you will need a new loom. Also the MFD will need changing to a DSG version. The Wheel will obviously need altering if you want paddle control (could use an FR Leon version), plus several other mods that you don't think of, like changing the bulkhead from a 3 pedal to 2 pedal arrangement etc.
This happens alot Hurdy :ashamed: wrongly assumed that they would be the same to keep things standard, and so cheap to have a single part. :notworthy:
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Yep, all noted. I was on the phone to Steve when you pulled in at Statlers John. Checking on the hybridisation? :party:
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Yep, all noted. I was on the phone to Steve when you pulled in at Statlers John. Checking on the hybridisation? :party:
Oh definitely looking into the Hybrid K04 now. Statllers are going to be doing a policy of fitting on exchange, so they will always have 1 made up hybrid K04 in stock to put on a customer car. Turned up there today as Steve got me a group buy deal on the R1R's :driver:
I asked him about the DSG and he'd literally just finished his conversation with you :laugh:
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Yep, all noted. I was on the phone to Steve when you pulled in at Statlers John. Checking on the hybridisation? :party:
Oh definitely looking into the Hybrid K04 now. Statllers are going to be doing a policy of fitting on exchange, so they will always have 1 made up hybrid K04 in stock to put on a customer car. Turned up there today as Steve got me a group buy deal on the R1R's :driver:
I asked him about the DSG and he'd literally just finished his conversation with you :laugh:
Does the exchange basis bring the cost down at all? :party:
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just means a quicker service id bet. rather than having to leave your car there for a few days whilst the turbo gets sent a away. more people would be interested in the conversion if its a quick job
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Think Im going to test drive a Dsg car and if i likee it will be the big mod with savings after next op tour. Was going to be a carbon frenzy but I'll have 6months in the sand pit to decide :party:
:notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
Is it really worth all that ££ and effort for DSG?
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Think Im going to test drive a Dsg car and if i likee it will be the big mod with savings after next op tour. Was going to be a carbon frenzy but I'll have 6months in the sand pit to decide :party:
:notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
Is it really worth all that ££ and effort for DSG?
Im going to drive a couple of Dsg Cars at the weekend, its apealing but im starting to think perhaps not...
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if i were in the market for a new car or even a second hand car id 100% try to get one with DSG. however the conversion wouldnt really be cost effective. dont forget you could always strip the parts off your mike, flog it and order another cupra tax free when you get back to the father land. Plus the newer ones are coming with DSG and that XDS diff now arnt they??
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if i were in the market for a new car or even a second hand car id 100% try to get one with DSG. however the conversion wouldnt really be cost effective. dont forget you could always strip the parts off your mike, flog it and order another cupra tax free when you get back to the father land. Plus the newer ones are coming with DSG and that XDS diff now arnt they??
Dont give me ideas... (plus ive sold the suspension, wheels & anti roll bars like a nob)
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come again????? you have sold your suspension etc
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come again????? you have sold your suspension etc
Space was an issue :sad1: :sad1: :sad1:
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ah you mean you have sold the standard suspension. i thought you had decided to swap the KWs :scared: .. just me being thick :laugh:
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Do Audi do a 7 speed transverse DSG that can handle some decent power? That would be an interesting car if you were doing the change.
The Audi 7 speed DSG is indeed a handy tool - I think it can handle 600Nm! But if you want one, you'll have to turn you engine 90 degrees under the bonnet - because the Audi box is for longitudinal fitments, not transverse like our Golfs and Golf relatives. :booty:
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You are wrong Rich.
I've spoken to Steve at Statllers and you will need a new loom. Also the MFD will need changing to a DSG version. The Wheel will obviously need altering if you want paddle control (could use an FR Leon version), plus several other mods that you don't think of, like changing the bulkhead from a 3 pedal to 2 pedal arrangement etc.
Bulkheads are identical. It is just a bolt-in pedal box which is different.
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the newer ones are coming with DSG and that XDS diff now arnt they??
You've been baffled by marketing bollox. There is no such thing as an XDS 'diff'. The diff is just a bog-standard open planetary diff, and the XDS is merely an enhancement of the existing EDL - basically a 2 pfennig tweak of the ESP software
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You are wrong Rich.
I've spoken to Steve at Statllers and you will need a new loom. Also the MFD will need changing to a DSG version. The Wheel will obviously need altering if you want paddle control (could use an FR Leon version), plus several other mods that you don't think of, like changing the bulkhead from a 3 pedal to 2 pedal arrangement etc.
Bulkheads are identical. It is just a bolt-in pedal box which is different.
You sure Sean?
I was told that the bulkhead was different for the pedal and to accomodate the DSG as opposed to the manual box :confused:
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You are wrong Rich.
I've spoken to Steve at Statllers and you will need a new loom. Also the MFD will need changing to a DSG version. The Wheel will obviously need altering if you want paddle control (could use an FR Leon version), plus several other mods that you don't think of, like changing the bulkhead from a 3 pedal to 2 pedal arrangement etc.
Bulkheads are identical. It is just a bolt-in pedal box which is different.
You sure Sean?
Part numbers are identical, from the individual 'firewall' bulkead, to the entire 'body in white' bodyshell. The actual pedals (be they two or three - and exluding the go pedal which is floor mounted) are mounted in a 'pedal box' - and it is this pedal box which differs.
I was told that the bulkhead was different for the pedal and to accomodate the DSG as opposed to the manual box :confused:
Someone told you porkies. :wink:
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Get an ED30 DSG Mike, part ex the Cupra and swap all the kit onto it :happy2:
I guess then it wouldn't be unique though :sad1:
I would do that. Hold on, I just did :jumpmove: