MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Performance Modifications => Topic started by: cmdrfire on May 16, 2010, 12:45:17 am
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Was at JKM the other day, top service by them getting my Bilsteins and WALK fitted :happy2:
I mentioned about looking into getting the R32 brake upgrade, and Katie (I think) told me about this Brembo kit that JKM are selling:
http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/tfsibrakes.htm
:drool: :drool: I'm seriously thinking of going for them... apparently a 15kg weight saving over the R32 brake setup! And that's all unsprung mass!
Anyone got any experience with their performance? R32 is a tried-and-tested upgrade which brings good stopping power, I imagine these Brembos will be pretty good as well even if they're not quite as big as the .:R setup. In any case, I imagine they'll be superior over stock!
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he has posted them up for sale on here i think...
ahh its PDT not JKM:
http://95.172.13.58/forum/index.php/topic,14323.0.html
also:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300425109335&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_562wt_1165
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JKM do have 2 sets for sale, SteveP posted the original thread. http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/tfsibrakes.htm (http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/tfsibrakes.htm)
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i believe these are the 232mm 4 pot upgrade that the leon guys could have as an optional extra. shamem they never offered this upgrade across the whole range. i reckon they would be very good indeed. Think about it like this, DaveB has been sorting a 4 pot brembo kit to go on 312s which from the ealry reports is very good, youwill have brembo 4 pots on bigger 323mm Oem discs so they would be even better.
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I've heard mixed reports of the oem Brembo setup, was very tempted to get some for mine a few months back when the Seat dealers were clearing the stocks of these at £599...
Did a little research on the net and seatcupra etc and it seems the oem 323 solid disc is a weak link as it were and also that Seat UK had them on evaluation tests to determine whether they would form part of the UK Cupra standard spec and dropped them due to overheating issues and little to no actual improvement anyway over the oem 345's :confused:
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Is there anything to bear in mind in terms of maintaining these brakes over the OEM setup?
Also, does the OEM setup on a GTi/ED30 have brake wear indicators that alert the driver when the pads are worn? And would this facility not be available with this Brembo brake kit? The reason i ask is the big brake kit on JKM specifically mentions a brake wear indicator and this is not mentioned for the Brembo kit.
Hope someone can help. :rolleye:
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The OEM GTI/Ed30 setup does include a brake wear indicator sensor. It's essentially a wire that's embedded in the pads; when the wear is sufficiently high, the wire is worn through and goes open-circuit, thus activating the wear indicator.
I was actually wondering if the Brembo setup has them, but even if it doesn't... that's what your right foot is for :chicken: When I worked at Porsche one of the senior chaps there said to me that you shouldn't really be letting the pads wear down to that point (and there really isn't anything left by then).
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Good point. :ashamed:
And what about maintenance? Anything different to standard brakes? :confused:
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Well, I presume that as they were offered as an OEM upgrade within VW group the consumables (discs, pads) will have VW part numbers so can be ordered/fitted/maintained through normal channels. Not sure about very long-term stuff.
In any case I can let everyone know in time enough as I've just pulled the trigger :chicken: I'm weak-willed I guess... held out for three days!
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Nice...so you've purchased a set from JKM? How many sets are left out of interest?
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Booked in to go get 'em fitted on the 2nd of June. I believe they had two sets of which I've just staked a claim on one...
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I drove a car with this kit on recently (Audi TT) and TBH I wasnt overly impressed. Better than originals, not as good as the R32 setup.
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What aspect(s) did you feel wasn't as impressive as the R32 brake kit?
Is the Big brake kit advertised on JKM basically the R32 brake kit?
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I drove a car with this kit on recently (Audi TT) and TBH I wasnt overly impressed. Better than originals, not as good as the R32 setup.
That seems to be the general impression; better than the stock 312s but not as good as the S3/R32 345s. However they are 15kg lighter than the 345s!
In any case they should be more than sufficient for my purposes!
@Mackit, the BBK that JKM advertise is the R32/S3 kit.
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:ashamed: I couldn't wait for the review so had to place my order for the 2nd set!!! At that price i thought someone else would snap them up.
Should be fitted on June 5th!! :jumpmove:
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thats some good profit in those for them :laugh:
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Just cant keep it in any longer, got some serious brakes coming through....
16 Pots total front and rear :innocent:
Italian Supercar ending in a vowel calipers seperate handbrake calipers required....
Watch this space..... :party:
6 weeks tops
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:ashamed: I couldn't wait for the review so had to place my order for the 2nd set!!! At that price i thought someone else would snap them up.
Should be fitted on June 5th!! :jumpmove:
LOL, I couldn't wait either!
@DaveB, all Italian supercar makers end in vowels! Ferrari, Lamborghini, Alfa Romeo (kinda), Lancia (not any more)... could be anyone!
16 pots fore and aft sounds meaty though :drool:
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Too right. 16 pots in total....that's going to be enough to rip your face off under braking!
Immense. :congrats:
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You want brakes = Dave Brown, end of, be it 4 pots or 16 :P
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I am running a stage2 pirelli so i needed some more stopping power so bought a new a set of the brembo four pots from a seat kit. They are far superior to the standard gti brakes, they are very progressive possibly 30-40% more stopping power and I have not managed to see much fade, they come with stainless braided lines and the sports fluid, which helps they also have the correct sensor being an oem upgrade. IMO they are lighter than the r32 and have four pots, they were an upgrade from the 350mm's. Should have been the standard ed30/pirelli brake.
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@Berttie221 - JKM told me they were around 15kg (!) lighter than the R32 brakes.
Can't wait to get 'em fitted! :pomppomp:
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presuming thats as a total combined weight and not per side??
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Yep, cumulative. Can't imagine losing 15kg per side!
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So today I was at JKM for part of the day...
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm5.static.flickr.com%2F4008%2F4663988309_cff2af74b7_b.jpg&hash=d6b61e521b91fa90f354ebbb14c6ba733baa89c8)
Initial thoughts: They stop the car. They stop the car very well. I didn't go hard on (so to speak) as I'm still bedding them in, but they are indeed a mighty stopping force for the Golf; certainly good enough for my purposes (not a track day fiend with the Golf, not anymore). They do haul in the speed with great aplomb. Dunno 'bout fade, but I imagine they're far superior over the tiny stock items.
I'm very happy with them. Takes a bit of recalibration with my foot, but the pedal is firmer and offers more feel (I think). They haul in the car very well, certainly well enough for my needs, and they look good under the arch. Can't ask for much more!
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm5.static.flickr.com%2F4021%2F4664613108_9ffc764af1_b.jpg&hash=16d4ea8347df3c4289d05609515cdcd86ac978bf)
Big thumbs up from me - definitely worth the money.
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Looking good. :drool:
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If you were at JKM did you see Carl?
Brakes look spot on. :happy2:
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If you were at JKM did you see Carl?
Brakes look spot on. :happy2:
Didn't spot him! Just some dude in a rear-engined caterwestfield thing and some other guy in a dropped Passat.
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Had my brakes fitted today....really pleased.
Thanks to all the folks at JKM for top class service. I hope to be back in the near future. :happy2:
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Very nice. What's the stoppin power like?
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Well...was told to take it easy so if i'm honest i've just feathered them so far. Will try and give an update, if anyone's interested that is, when they are bedded in.
I have noticed however that the braking does seem more progressive compared to standard.
And can someone confirm something for me because i don't know if this is just in my head. These brakes are a lot lighter than the standard brakes. On the way home under heavy turning the steering seemed a little lighter....a bit more responsive. Would the weight saving at the two corners affect this? I think so as lighter wheels are supposed to improve this aspect of the car. Is that right? :rolleye:
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Well...was told to take it easy so if i'm honest i've just feathered them so far. Will try and give an update, if anyone's interested that is, when they are bedded in.
I have noticed however that the braking does seem more progressive compared to standard.
And can someone confirm something for me because i don't know if this is just in my head. These brakes are a lot lighter than the standard brakes. On the way home under heavy turning the steering seemed a little lighter....a bit more responsive. Would the weight saving at the two corners affect this? I think so as lighter wheels are supposed to improve this aspect of the car. Is that right? :rolleye:
x2 because there is significantly less unsprung mass you'll notice an improvement in handling. That's why I went for the Brembo setup as opposed to the more common R32 setup.
I've done a leetle bit of heavy braking over the last couple of days and am very satisifed with these anchors. The pedal does feel better (might be psychological I guess) and the car really does stop well. The difference between these and the OEM brakes? As big as going from the crappy brakes in the Karmann Ghia to the OEM GTI brakes. They're that good, and I'm incredibly happy with them. I get the occasional squeak, but it's not regular and definitely not too bad.
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Mackit, did you have to use spacers to fit your Brembos with the Pescaras? I had a set of Brembos put on my car yesterday, and the caliper seemed way too wide. Im trying to work out if the caliper is wrong.
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And can someone confirm something for me because i don't know if this is just in my head. These brakes are a lot lighter than the standard brakes. On the way home under heavy turning the steering seemed a little lighter....a bit more responsive. Would the weight saving at the two corners affect this? I think so as lighter wheels are supposed to improve this aspect of the car. Is that right? :rolleye:
....Correctomundo, as the Commander Of Fire alonso confirms.
Each brake assembly is built into the wheel of course and so its weight influences behaviour and feedback to the driver. Change to lighter weight wheels and you'll notice an even bigger difference. I'm saving about 9kg per corner (18kg total) on mine compared with OEM.
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Mackit, did you have to use spacers to fit your Brembos with the Pescaras? I had a set of Brembos put on my car yesterday, and the caliper seemed way too wide. Im trying to work out if the caliper is wrong.
Hi,
No spacers on mine. The Brembos fit fine with a little space to spare under the Pescara's. I did read some people advised that these wouldn't but no issues.
Chris.
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And can someone confirm something for me because i don't know if this is just in my head. These brakes are a lot lighter than the standard brakes. On the way home under heavy turning the steering seemed a little lighter....a bit more responsive. Would the weight saving at the two corners affect this? I think so as lighter wheels are supposed to improve this aspect of the car. Is that right? :rolleye:
....Correctomundo, as the Commander Of Fire alonso confirms.
Each brake assembly is built into the wheel of course and so its weight influences behaviour and feedback to the driver. Change to lighter weight wheels and you'll notice an even bigger difference. I'm saving about 9kg per corner (18kg total) on mine compared with OEM.
Good to hear.
I wanted to go for the same wheels as you, Robin, but i can't justify the price. I want the Michellin Pilot Sport 3s on so given their price i think i may go for the TD Pro Race 1.2s in anthracite. Would like to run them over the winter and save the Pescara's for the summer months.
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Thanks Chris. at the minute with the caliper on there is at least a 30mm gap when trying to put on the alloy and the alloy contacts the caliper. and a 30mm spacer is never going to work. The caliper cant be right. What diameter is your disc? mine is 328mm
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I think it may be 323mm but can't remember now.
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i have the same kit as this and need to know where to get replacement pads from ?
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Part number & price for these is:
6L6071457 – They are £178.50 inc VAT
I got mine straight from JKM and got my normal dealer to fit them.
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Oh dear that's not cheap haha I will have to get my pads of and double check as awesome said there are a few kits that look the same but different pads ? Not sure if that's right it's a kit bought for the mk5 and look identical to yours
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Think it was the SEAT BBK upgrade that JKM bought a bunch of. Fit straight onto my Golf... I actually have a manual for them somewhere, I'll see if I can find it and if I can pull any part numbers out of it.
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Cheers let me know if u find any manuals :)
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i have the same kit as this and need to know where to get replacement pads from ?
You can get pads for these from many places.
The pads are the same as a Leon Cupra R 2004 model
Also the same as a Ferarri 360 rear.