MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Members Rides => Topic started by: fastismycopilot on January 17, 2009, 03:48:33 pm
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Ordered the day after the Edition 30 was announced but not delivered until late March 2007 (had to tie in with a lease car being returned). It's a 5 door, steel grey with rear tints and DSG. Some other extra bits specified but not a lot of note.
It's had a couple of tweaks, the first being when answered an advert on the Milltek website for an Edition 30 to use to develop the exhaust on. Gave them the car for a week, in return got a full Milltek system for £400 and the (virtually pristine) original exhaust couriered back to me.
Second tweak was the fitting of a Forge DV by those nice chaps at AmDtechnik in Thurrock.
Rolling road reading puts it at 270bhp which is all I need for now. Maybe in a year or so I'll look at a Revo, but I'm happy for now. :smiley:
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Photo taken at Herstmonceux Observatory
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Doing a rather chilly Goodwood Breakfast Run
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After a damn good 'Portering'
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Nice car! 8) 8)
Was that the Goodwood Breakfast run in April of 2008 by any chance!!????
Has the car only got a Milly and the Forge DV and achieved 270hp?!
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Nice car! 8) 8)
Was that the Goodwood Breakfast run in April of 2008 by any chance!!????
Has the car only got a Milly and the Forge DV and achieved 270hp?!
Yes it was, here's a photo of the mini I was following - oddly enough we never got to Goodwood!
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And oddly enough yes, that's just with the Milltek & the Forge. RR done before & after Milltek and after Forge.
Vanilla RR showed 240 bhp
post-Milltek RR showed 262bhp
post-Forge DV showed 270bhp
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Nice car, where was it RR'd
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Lol! Yes I remember that morning very well indeed...
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My Lotus was on display on the track (one of the cars that Goodwood chose to be on display, had a plaque infront of it too), and I let my father drive it down, while I followed about 15mins later in the GTI!
He got to Goodwood ok, but I caught the blizzard and got stuck in Farnham!!
They are very very high figures considering your modifications. I'm sure others will have something to say about that also!
Hopefully catch you at a few of the Breakfast Clubs this season, they have released the dates, but not the themes! Always worth the journey down!
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All figures are from AmD in Thurrock, with the pre & post Milltek figures verified by Supachips when they were trying it out with a Bluefin. The only anomoly from the figures quoted on my car was when it went on the rollers at Awesome who said that they couldn't get an accurate reading because of the DSG. As a result they only got around 252bhp pre Forge installation.
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Looks very nice.
270 bhp on an ED30 without a remap?!?!? :jumping:
Wonder would I could expect with stage 2+
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Stealth, we know that just an exhaust on a standard ed30 wont give 270bhp, its the roller lottery all over again.
It will be around the 240bhp at best for a stock car.
Stage2+ is in the lofty heights of 320ish with full mods to Zorst, Fuel pump, intercooler, intake and Remap.
Ready to call in the bank manager then stealth?
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looking great mate
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No not yet, just sizing things up for the mo.
Spent £400 on an exam and if I fail it, I have to spend another £400 to resit! It's things like these that stop me spending any money on the car.
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Vry nice :happy2: :happy2:
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Stealth, we know that just an exhaust on a standard ed30 wont give 270bhp, its the roller lottery all over again.
It will be around the 240bhp at best for a stock car.
I'd have to disagree. The stock car was listed at 230bhp by VW, for a full exhaust replacement to only give a nominal 4% uplift in power on stock figures is a low calculation. Particularly given the power on almost every Ed30 taken in by Superchips when they were looking at re-maps was 240ish stock - bear in mind these are figures that it would be in their interest to 'underquote' in order to boost their own results. They didn't, they just provided the facts verified on 2 different Rolling Roads.
So if we take a complete Exhaust system which has been built from scratch to maximise the performance of the car (this is the Milltek prototype exhaust we're talking about) and look at the fact it's added 9% to the stock power it's not unreasonable. The power uplift on the Forge DV is what puzzles me more than anything.
240bhp 'at best' from a stock car when that's what it's putting out at stock? Nah, sorry but how did people tune their cars before the ECU was invented?. I'm not interested in how much power my car puts out, I'm interested in the 'feel' of it, hence why I decided against the Bluefin on mine.
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You must have a car thats made from some kind of criptonite!. Youve missed some rolling road days in which several Standard Ed30 cars were put on Dyno Dynamics rollers, one of the cars was tested on a set on rollers as stock and produced 260bhp, then went on these and produced along with 4 other stock cars, stock hoursepower. why do you think your engine/turbo will produce more then thousands of others?.
All im saying is you are not gonna get 40 bhp increase from a full milltek!!!.15-20 at the most.
Have a look at these to see where im coming from and see why this has been covered over and over and over and over and over again......
http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/GalleryGTI041008.htm.
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now now Phil play nice with the new members :wink:
fastismycopilot : this as Phil says has been a hot topic of debate. Id suggest looking more at the relative increase than absolute figures
JKM (DD) rollingroad typically shows 'matching' OE figures (230 ish for a std ED30) (doesnt mean they are right though!)
Awesome/Proport etc tend to show larger numbers than this. (up to 255 for a std ED30)
As long as runs are repeatable then you can prove a % increase for a mod :happy2:, irrespective of the tuner you frequent.
imho adding a DV aint gonna add any bhp (unless you had a previous fault) more likely to be a run variation (temp etc)
If it runs great and pulls strong then as you say thats all that matters. besides with DSG its gonna fly...............
Anyway nice contraversial first post, welcome to the forum I look forward to your input.
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You must have a car thats made from some kind of criptonite!.
I take it you mean kryptonite? Geekish point I know.....
Youve missed some rolling road days in which several Standard Ed30 cars were put on Dyno Dynamics rollers, one of the cars was tested on a set on rollers as stock and produced 260bhp, then went on these and produced along with 4 other stock cars, stock hoursepower. why do you think your engine/turbo will produce more then thousands of others???.
If you'd like to stop frothing at the mouth and use grammar and coherent sentence structure I might be able to answer you. At present it's like trying to decode the forum drunk. Is hoursepower(sic) measured over a period of time as well? By the way, one question mark works just as well as three unless your keyboard is doing a 'type two get one free deal', in which case, well done.
All im saying is you are not gonna get 40 bhp increase from a full milltek!!!.15-20 at the most.
Hmmm, try reading my post. At no point do I claim 40bhp from a full Milltek. Let's make it simple for you:
.1. Car tests at a 'stock' 240bhp (using this as the base figure as the further measures are on the same RR)
.2. Addition of Milltek takes it to a smidge over 260bhp (approx 21bhp, equating to 8.7% increase)
.3. Addition of Forge DV takes it to 270bhp which I stated that I found puzzling.
So, a 30 bhp addition, equating to an increase on the base measure of 12.5%, 3.8% of which I'm not stating is due to the exhaust and that I'm questioning myself.
Apart from the words, well done, an excellent post. There may be a career for you working for the Daily Mail, they seem to take the same approach to factual accuracy as you.
Have a look at these to see where im coming from and see why this has been covered over and over and over and over and over again......
Thank you for that condescending advice, I will do. Why don't you try reading my posts again and if there's any words you struggle with just post up. If the words are 'and' or 'it' I wouldn'd bother. You may end up looking even sillier.
http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/GalleryGTI041008.htm.
I trust I've addressed your issues above, even if I did struggle to understand some of the punctuation and spelling.
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now now Phil play nice with the new members :wink:
fastismycopilot : this as Phil says has been a hot topic of debate. Id suggest looking more at the relative increase than absolute figures
JKM (DD) rollingroad typically shows 'matching' OE figures (230 ish for a std ED30) (doesnt mean they are right though!)
Awesome/Proport etc tend to show larger numbers than this. (up to 255 for a std ED30)
As long as runs are repeatable then you can prove a % increase for a mod :happy2:, irrespective of the tuner you frequent.
imho adding a DV aint gonna add any bhp (unless you had a previous fault) more likely to be a run variation (temp etc)
If it runs great and pulls strong then as you say thats all that matters. besides with DSG its gonna fly...............
Anyway nice contraversial first post, welcome to the forum I look forward to your input.
Thank you for your concerns, I trust I've indicated in my previous post that I'm capable of dealing with any 'questions' which are put to me..... :wink:
Look forward to using the forum, it looks like a good 'un.
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I knew this topic may get messy!! :signLOL:
To return to topic.............What are your future plans for the car fastismycopilot? (aside from the possibility of a Revo in the future)
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Guys although this thread has turned very funny :grin: It will only end in tinternet tears with more peeps getting involved, running over the same old ground ( ooh it turned into a Pink Floyd song then :laugh:)
Lets keep it friendly there is no point in either of you guys getting flustered over opinion's. Although both of you are capable of looking out for yourselves can you please chat to each other via PM please :chicken:
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Guys although this thread has turned very funny :grin: It will only end in tinternet tears with more peeps getting involved, running over the same old ground ( ooh it turned into a Pink Floyd song then :laugh:)
Lets keep it friendly there is no point in either of you guys getting flustered over opinion's. Although both of you are capable of looking out for yourselves can you please chat to each other via PM please :chicken:
Just as I was starting to have some fun too....... :innocent:
Don't worry, I'll be silent on the matter now, think I've made my point! (wouldn't want you to have the same old fears..... :wink:)
In answer to WHITEGTI nothing at present! The missus gets her new MINI Cooper S Cabrio this March which is drinking this year's car allowance for her and my Land Rover 130 is getting a few thou spent on it which drinks up any left over pennies. Maybe next year.......
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ok sorry for my poor spelling copilot, id be first to admit, my spelling has never been strong .
But can you explain to me, how a forge dump valve is going to give extra HORSEPOWER... (Spelt correct this time)?? i hope :scared:
I like to know why your opinion is that a stock vehical produces more then VW Claims it does?. or is the 2.0 tfsi unit notorious for giving what it feels like??
Isnt that mis-selling a product on Vw??
If a set of rollers says your car is producing more the book, surely accuracy is in question is it not? or do we just pluck a figure from the air and say its right???
Now stop me from looking "silly" as you put it ,and answer the above :happy2:
And now realising your from Uk-mkiv's website, we tend to get along well in here and not rip each other to shreds at the 1st oppotunity as tends to happen and well known amungst GTi forum users.
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Sorry Tc for replying to this , but had to be said.
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To be fair Steve I think it has been proven on many occasions that alot of standard Ed30 are more than the stated 230bhp. I dont know why but it is true. So the addition of a full Milltek TBE could see an increase of 25+ bhp
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You must have a car thats made from some kind of criptonite!.
I take it you mean kryptonite? Geekish point I know.....
Youve missed some rolling road days in which several Standard Ed30 cars were put on Dyno Dynamics rollers, one of the cars was tested on a set on rollers as stock and produced 260bhp, then went on these and produced along with 4 other stock cars, stock hoursepower. why do you think your engine/turbo will produce more then thousands of others???.
If you'd like to stop frothing at the mouth and use grammar and coherent sentence structure I might be able to answer you. At present it's like trying to decode the forum drunk. Is hoursepower(sic) measured over a period of time as well? By the way, one question mark works just as well as three unless your keyboard is doing a 'type two get one free deal', in which case, well done.
All im saying is you are not gonna get 40 bhp increase from a full milltek!!!.15-20 at the most.
Hmmm, try reading my post. At no point do I claim 40bhp from a full Milltek. Let's make it simple for you:
.1. Car tests at a 'stock' 240bhp (using this as the base figure as the further measures are on the same RR)
.2. Addition of Milltek takes it to a smidge over 260bhp (approx 21bhp, equating to 8.7% increase)
.3. Addition of Forge DV takes it to 270bhp which I stated that I found puzzling.
So, a 30 bhp addition, equating to an increase on the base measure of 12.5%, 3.8% of which I'm not stating is due to the exhaust and that I'm questioning myself.
Apart from the words, well done, an excellent post. There may be a career for you working for the Daily Mail, they seem to take the same approach to factual accuracy as you.
Have a look at these to see where im coming from and see why this has been covered over and over and over and over and over again......
Thank you for that condescending advice, I will do. Why don't you try reading my posts again and if there's any words you struggle with just post up. If the words are 'and' or 'it' I wouldn'd bother. You may end up looking even sillier.
http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/GalleryGTI041008.htm.
I trust I've addressed your issues above, even if I did struggle to understand some of the punctuation and spelling.
obviously you did or you couldnt of worked out what to write
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Mark, your missing this aswell!!! how can one engine bolted together with the same parts, same ecu, same coding, same exhaust, same intake produce more then one from the other!!!.
Point im making purely that one engine doesnt produce more then the one on the production line!.
Rolling road results are the ones that give some time inacurate results.
Vw arent going to sell a product that they state is 227 bhp when in fact not that figure at all!.same goes for a normal GTi, 197bhp etc.
They are what they are if the engine is healthly give or take a couple of bhp of course, or could slightly differ with the fuel its run on and air temperature has a factor aswell.
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Mark, your missing this aswell!!! how can one engine bolted together with the same parts, same ecu, same coding, same exhaust, same intake produce more then one from the other!!!
Steve I dont know the answer to that one, I was just stating that I have heard of alot of standard Ed30 getting greater BHP figures than what VW claim. It doesnt make sense to me either, but isnt that the same with the Nissan GT-R they get differing BHP figures but they are all made the same with the same parts? I know the GT-R is a bad example as the engine is hand built but even so.
Im not looking to upset anyone just stating what I know to be true. :happy2:
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Hand built agree'd is different mark , quite correct, but an engine of the production line isnt gonna be better then the next unless its been mis-assembled.
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maybe we should move a rr discussion to a new thread rather than keep going here on a new members post guys ?
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maybe we should move a rr discussion to a new thread rather than keep going here on a new members post guys ?
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ok sorry for my poor spelling copilot, id be first to admit, my spelling has never been strong .
But can you explain to me, how a forge dump valve is going to give extra HORSEPOWER... (Spelt correct this time)?? i hope :scared:
I like to know why your opinion is that a stock vehical produces more then VW Claims it does?. or is the 2.0 tfsi unit notorious for giving what it feels like??
Isnt that mis-selling a product on Vw??
If a set of rollers says your car is producing more the book, surely accuracy is in question is it not? or do we just pluck a figure from the air and say its right???
Now stop me from looking "silly" as you put it ,and answer the above :happy2:
:smiley:
Sorry Tc for replying to this , but had to be said.
He does admit in his previous posts that he is mystified by this occurence too, and therefore cannot explain it....
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agree'd chris, but making me look silly just cus my spelling is unacceptable, just pulls the wrong chain for me :mad:
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agree'd chris, but making me look silly just cus my spelling is unacceptable, just pulls the wrong chain for me :mad:
Oh 100%, that wasn't exactly the most mature of comebacks by the OP!
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I think all fastismycopilot was getting at is the proportional increase in power that he has gained - not the overall figures. I think that his proportional increases are optimistic, but still maybe achievable and maybe we should give his car the benefit of the doubt (obviously apart from the DV increase, which we all agree is unusal)! He can only go by what the RR has shown him, and that's exactly what he's done.
Different cars react to modifications in different ways. Take mine and Robin's cars for example...very similar modifications and remap settings, and we've seen a 8hp difference between the two. No two cars are the same. Maybe fastismycopilot got a great car, and his is putting out more than standard - lucky him!!! Mine plotted 201.2 as standard, I'd have been mighty happy if it had got 208-210!
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agree'd chris, best lay this one to bed :happy2:
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sometimes the way there run in has alot to do with it :happy2:
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agree'd chris, but making me look silly just cus my spelling is unacceptable, just pulls the wrong chain for me :mad:
Oh 100%, that wasn't exactly the most mature of comebacks by the OP!
I never claimed maturity as one of my virtues...... :P
Sorry for pulling your chain Phil, I get carried away sometimes! :wink:
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agree'd chris, but making me look silly just cus my spelling is unacceptable, just pulls the wrong chain for me :mad:
Oh 100%, that wasn't exactly the most mature of comebacks by the OP!
I never claimed maturity as one of my virtues...... :P
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