MK5 Golf GTI

All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Sat Nav and Car Audio => Topic started by: turbo t on May 30, 2010, 08:09:34 am

Title: focal 165
Post by: turbo t on May 30, 2010, 08:09:34 am

hi, has anyone fitted Focal 165 speakers.............? if so what is your verdict on them??

Title: Re: focal 165
Post by: Smudgster on May 30, 2010, 04:56:40 pm

I have these in my front doors and are fooking awesome

http://caraudiosecurity.com/shop/product/products_id/8734.html

I may be stripping mine so keep a look out  :happy2:

Title: Re: focal 165
Post by: Norbreck21a on June 01, 2010, 03:49:30 pm

Agree with Smugster, bloody awesome compared to the stock units and that's without any any additional amplification.

Can only image what they must sound like with a proper amp behind them !

Not cheap but worth it  :happy2:

Title: Re: focal 165
Post by: edd666999 on June 01, 2010, 03:53:51 pm

http://caraudiosecurity.com/shop/product/products_id/6658.html


these are also awesome.

Title: Re: focal 165
Post by: Smudgster on June 01, 2010, 07:22:03 pm

Edd

I had them in my previous Golf and believe me they are no match the Focals!!!

I am very very impressed with the Focals

Title: Re: focal 165
Post by: stealthwolf on June 01, 2010, 10:53:47 pm

Any baffles etc required when fitting?

Title: Re: focal 165
Post by: Smudgster on June 02, 2010, 08:20:32 am

Only thing you need is the speaker adapters for the woofers. dead easy to fit!!

Title: Re: focal 165
Post by: fuscobal on June 02, 2010, 04:23:11 pm

There are many nice speakers around but unfortunately the mk5 Golf has a major issue with the location of the mid-bass drivers. I have tried the most expensive and exotic drivers in my doors (including the Focal Utopia top of the range) and none of them sounds right because the position of the drivers is on the back of the front doors wich makes them collinear with the listener's ears. This is never a good thing since the sound coming from speakers collinear with your ears would always be out of phase. The only way to solve the problem is by rebuilding the door carboards from scratch and relocate the drivers in the front. Second thing to take into account is that a mediocre mid-bass driver that has a very rigid mounting to the door and very good insonorisation will always sound better than an outstanding driver with no insonorisation and bad mounting. The expensive drivers are generally the ones that need  a lot of care to give their best. Third thing is that the signal coming out of the OEM head-unit is in all cases crap (even in higher-range OEM units). When I say crap, I'm reffering to both digital-to-analog conversion and amplification. A good amplifier will give you better dynamics having a good damping factor but will also amplify the errors in the conversion made by the DAC found in the OEM source. This being said, among the 2 sets of speakers reffered above, my personal tastes always go towards Focal. Hertz left me the impression of a sterile and dead sound. Focal makes excellent mid-bass drivers but their tweeters (including the old Utopia) are very aggressive and sibilant. The new topia beryllium tweeters are much better for those who have the budget. Other good drivers would be : DLS, Dynaudio, Peerless & Scan-Speak (home drivers at their origin), Brax and Micro Precision (these are the best in the world in my opinion and I've listened to quite a few) !

Title: Re: focal 165
Post by: edd666999 on June 02, 2010, 09:59:39 pm

this very true and in a perfect world id have tweeters + 4" in my A pillars and the mid bass relocated too but for an OEM swap you have to make do some times!

The head unit point is very true and at the front of my mind every time i go to buy speakers, if you put rubbish into your amp your guna get it out  :grin:

Do you have some pics of your install FUSCOBAL?

Title: Re: focal 165
Post by: fuscobal on June 02, 2010, 10:46:49 pm

Sure, here you go :

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Title: Re: focal 165
Post by: edd666999 on June 03, 2010, 04:51:06 am

did you win anything with it?

what kit is that? not seen anything with that finish on the cone before

Title: Re: focal 165
Post by: fuscobal on June 03, 2010, 07:03:24 am

The car took 3rd place in EMMA Eurofinals in 2006 and 2007 with a system that was much weaker than this one. I will compete again this year or the next. The midbass drivers you see in the pics are the Brax Matrix but they have also been replaced by the Micro-Precision 7 series. Sometime this summer I will also try the Micro-Precision Z-studio mid-bass drivers but those cost like 1000Euro/pair and as you can see I need 2 pairs :) !

Title: Re: focal 165
Post by: edd666999 on June 03, 2010, 07:14:15 am

are you in the uk? where abouts? would love to have a listen

Title: Re: focal 165
Post by: Smudgster on June 03, 2010, 08:14:37 am

Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: focal 165
Post by: fuscobal on June 03, 2010, 10:32:16 pm

Nope, Romania. If you ever come by, I'd be happy to let you listen to my system !