MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Technical Workshop => Topic started by: rdfcpete on May 30, 2010, 06:19:08 pm
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My air con seems to have stopped producing any chilled or cold air. On the 'low' setting (the one down from 16 degrees celsius) with the cabin direction selected (the one that faces at the driver/passenger) it still blows out hot/warm air. 'Econ' is off and even on 'Auto' at 16degrees, at best, it blows it mildly warm air.
The ultimate test comes when I turn it off, open the passenger window and it's such a relief to have some non stuffy air! :ashamed:
This stopped in the last 3 weeks or so. I haven't really used it until temperatures hit the 20's in the UK, so very recently.
This morning at Kwik Fit I had 2 air con recharges done, although it made no difference.
Does this mean the compressor has gone or is it likely to be a leak in the piping?
Literally a week after my VW Used car warranty has expired too. Sods law :fighting: (Presuming it would be covered that is...)
Any ideas - Any 'checks' or tests I can do?
Thanks - Pete.
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I just had another recharge on mine and although it's producing cold air again - it's very noisy and loads of air sounds like gas pumping around but very noisy - I have warranty via warranty direct and the AC is covered except for recharges so I will at some point (when work allows time) put it in for diagnosis and repair.
I do think it's fecked
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So you don't get cold/cool air at all either?
This is my only problem. It seems to function fine in terms of display and noise, just no cold air comes out on the 'coolest' setting which is worrying. Not really sure where to take it? Might take it to my nearest Skoda for a cheap analysis :chicken:
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new air con pump, sorry mate :sad1:
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Do the radiator fans come on when you turn the climate on? When the compressor failed on my Mk5 GTI, the rad fans didnt come on.
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Well I think mine has some sort of gas leak or something because it's very noisy (like I said in earlier post) and will eventually stop making that noise and revert to the same as yours.. completely normal in sounds etc but yet it pumps out only poor-mans air!
Would mine be a pump problem?
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new air con pump, sorry mate :sad1:
Hmm. How much are they £ Danish? :sad1:
Do the radiator fans come on when you turn the climate on? When the compressor failed on my Mk5 GTI, the rad fans didnt come on.
Seems to Deako. I haven't noticed anything different other than no cold air, literally. It's the only difference in noise/actions/feel.
Well I think mine has some sort of gas leak or something because it's very noisy (like I said in earlier post) and will eventually stop making that noise and revert to the same as yours.. completely normal in sounds etc but yet it pumps out only poor-mans air!
Would mine be a pump problem?
Not sure dude, sounds like we possibly have the same cause but slightly different results. I can't cope without AC generated air in these heats :fighting:
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new air con pump, sorry mate :sad1:
Hmm. How much are they £ Danish? :sad1:
Do the radiator fans come on when you turn the climate on? When the compressor failed on my Mk5 GTI, the rad fans didnt come on.
Seems to Deako. I haven't noticed anything different other than no cold air, literally. It's the only difference in noise/actions/feel.
Well I think mine has some sort of gas leak or something because it's very noisy (like I said in earlier post) and will eventually stop making that noise and revert to the same as yours.. completely normal in sounds etc but yet it pumps out only poor-mans air!
Would mine be a pump problem?
Not sure dude, sounds like we possibly have the same cause but slightly different results. I can't cope without AC generated air in these heats :fighting:
I found my second new one one ebay.de and it was about 280£
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When it was re-charged, they would have noticed a leak as you get a big cloud of smoke and (in my case) green dye showing you where it is..
Stone right through the condenser rad - bah!
So, all noise and no leaks would make me think pump.
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How long to replace do you think? and is it likely a dealer would have pumps in stock?
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How long to replace do you think? and is it likely a dealer would have pumps in stock?
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And would the used car warranty have covered it?
I've got the VW warranty itinerary here and it doesn't really specify if air con components will or won't be covered :indifferent:
Although they're not in the perishable/wear and tear category so I suppose legally they are required to with a warranty in place? Only pipes/hoses are in the NOT covered section.
Lean, I don't know about you fella but I can't believe somethings already failed a two weeks after my warranty is up. £400 to renew it is a large sum for a lot of ifs and buts... :sad1:
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DIn denmark there's a TSB on the problem, there's and old tread about this, but the cheapest will be to buy this, new not a refurbed one
http://cgi.ebay.de/Klimakompressor-VW-Golf-V-2-0-TDI-SDI-GTI-GTD-/220393068749?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Autoteile_Zubeh%C3%B6r&hash=item33507358cd
And remember to tell the workshop to clean the whole system for metal splinters, i costed me a new pump plus ac cooler and other bits and bobs that the first workshop didn't do it on mine :sad:
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Hi Danish,
I see a seller in UK supplies Sanden compressors too:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270260725086
Any idea what the part number is? Are all mk5 gti's the same regardless of age or edtion 30 / Pirelli etc?
Thanks
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How long to replace do you think? and is it likely a dealer would have pumps in stock?
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And would the used car warranty have covered it?
I've got the VW warranty itinerary here and it doesn't really specify if air con components will or won't be covered :indifferent:
Although they're not in the perishable/wear and tear category so I suppose legally they are required to with a warranty in place? Only pipes/hoses are in the NOT covered section.
Lean, I don't know about you fella but I can't believe somethings already failed a two weeks after my warranty is up. £400 to renew it is a large sum for a lot of ifs and buts... :sad1:
It's so typical man :( I have a sony vaio one week out of warranty and the power adapter failed.. took to shop they smiled and said oh it out of warranty - then I remembered I extended to 3 for free by registering with sony online..
haha staff at shop looked well fecked off!
Anyway back on topic - my warranty is with warranty direct now and I'm covered. I have their luxury care policy - which basically covers everything apart from a list of items in the booklet. I also talked to them about it and they said the a/c is covered entirely the only thing on a/c that isn't covered is re-gassing. I've done that now so I will be covered.
I think the techs at dealers will listen to my car and take it in on the back of that. - it's like I have a big snake in there it's hissing so much! - or grot-bags from the emu show! :grin:
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Hahahha I remember that fat ugly green b!tch.
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My Aunty Anne is a spit of her. She did not like this being mentioned when we were kids.
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^ :grin: :laugh:
Lean, mind PM'ing me details of the warranty please fella? Might go with that if it's more reasonable than the VW policy.
And yeah, it is a pure case of sods law. Never mind, hopefully it can be addressed for a fair price.
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PM on it's way mate
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Hahahha I remember that fat ugly green b!tch.
LOL nice one showing your age now! :p
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My Aunty Anne is a spit of her. She did not like this being mentioned when we were kids.
Oh gawd... well we all love our Auntie's whatever they look or dribble like :)
I love mine dearly :happy2:
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PM on it's way mate
Thanks mate. Had a skim read earlier, will take a look properly this eve and reply then.
I'm in two minds about this. Buy the part and replace it at my regular Porsche/VW servicer', assuming it's that of course, OR, buy a warranty (for probably a bit more) and get it all done under that.
There's a margin of about £150 between it all. Hmm... :indifferent:
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I enquired into extended warranty with VW. They inspect the car thorouhly before you take it out.
Not sure about likes of Warranty Direct (i was quoted £400) or others but they may have a period after taking out policy you can't make any claims.
Interested to hear how you get on.
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I enquired into extended warranty with VW. They inspect the car thorouhly before you take it out.
Really?
How bizarre. My vehicle had changed OEM spec since I bought it anyway and in the 8 different pieces of warranty work they did in the last 12 months, they didn't question anything. An inspection suggests they're likely to do so if I renewed? Puts me off the VW a bit more but at least its hassle free and you get a courtesy car. I suspect third party ones, you wouldn't? :chicken:
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I pay £286.00 a year for my warranty and with warranty direct. I don't think they have a waiting period if you sign up for when your VW warranty expires it only applies if you are out of warranty (I'm pretty sure about that)
My air con actually today (a week after a re-gas) started blowing hot-air so all in all I know it's fooked! I'm popping in tomorrow to have it looked at and I will be sorting it through W. Direct
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When it was re-charged, they would have noticed a leak as you get a big cloud of smoke and (in my case) green dye showing you where it is..
Indeed TD, although there was no negative feedback on both re-charge runs. It simply did fack all to the temperature.
Would VCDS not pick a fault of this nature up? If it's worth a diag run, I'll do it...
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Was at dealers today - they checked the car and said the a/c was faulty and had a leak (can't remember the name of the item!).
They called warranty direct to authorise the work they said they need prove more investigation of how it's broken?!
So it's booked in for Tuesday they said it will cost me £178.00 (2 hours labour) to check it and if it's proved that I broke it?! I woudl have to pay - but I know I cannot break an a/c so I've agreed for the work to come with the 'risk' on me.. hardly though because I'd be off to the solicitor's if they thought I'd broken it!
Will update once I have more info
.. damn I wish I could remember what part is broken/leaking - they didn't say pump I'm sure
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There isn't that much really to leak, as most of it is solid pipework and it's take a lot to burst it. The condenser behind the grill is the usual point of failure, as it's prone to stones etc going through it.
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Oh, just a thought - if it is the condenser and they won't play ball for a new one, I'll have my old one off on Monday/Tuesday (bought a 2nd hand one) and it has 1 row with a hole in...
With it off the car, it could easily be fixed and may be of some use? I don't think 1 less row would make much difference.
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Oh, just a thought - if it is the condenser and they won't play ball for a new one, I'll have my old one off on Monday/Tuesday (bought a 2nd hand one) and it has 1 row with a hole in...
With it off the car, it could easily be fixed and may be of some use? I don't think 1 less row would make much difference.
Cool. I'm not sure if it's off use to Lean but I haven't even had mine looked at yet.
Any more progress Lean? I'm in proper limbo. Whatever I do, either way it won't be till next month cause of HR springs, tyres and colour coding this month.
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Well it's going to be no use to me, so Lean's got first chop, otherwise I'll sling it up for sale for a few beer tokens.
Let me know how yours gets on.
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Thanks Mike - I had an interesting conversation with warranty direct on Saturday. - I explained to the engineer the dealership cost of £178.00 for more investigation.
He was pretty miffed with them charging that! Basically he told me that the dealer has quoted them £302.00 to replace the condenser inc all fitting, and that the £178.00 is half the job done - so asked me to call them to confirm with them that if it's 'my' fault (stones etc) - that the £178.00 is not charged on top of the £302.00.
He also suggested I try a different garage as well hmmz I have so little time off work I'm not sure the best thing to do.
ps. Mike have you replaced yours then? If so do you want to do mine?! :happy2: I'll happily give moola to you mate than the dealers!
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Found a cheaper one now: £77.95+vat (£91.59)
http://www.autoairconparts.co.uk/Car-Air-Conditioning-Condenser-Radiator-for-Volkswagen-GOLF-MK5-2.0-FSi-Petrol-Manual-or-Automatic-Oct-03-to-Oct-08-Part-16-1054.html
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Found a new one (first initial look) for £101.79
http://www.automotive-air-conditioning-vehicle-parts.com/air-conditioning-condensers-results.aspx?models-for=VOLKSWAGON&Model=GOLF%20MK5&part=Condensers
Hmm seriously thinking of cancelling the dealer trip on Tuesday now - and taking to local garage - any thoughts in the Leeds area?
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I'm not touching mine, can't find the time to do anything these days! It's going to Votex tomorrow.
As far as I know though, it's just a case of popping the bumper off and swapping it. I'll ask how long it took them and how easy/hard it was and let you know tomorrow night.
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Thanks mate :happy2:
I'm going to cancel the dealers I think, and try for something in a couple of weeks time (whilst I'm at Glastonbury) :surprised:
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I have the same air con problem as the OP on my 07 plate leon cupra, everything seems to be working as it should except no chilled air! I have had it regassed with no improvement, if it's got no leaks I'm leaning towards a sensor or maybe pressure switch faulty? Should any sensor fault show up with vagcom??
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if it's got no leaks I'm leaning towards a sensor or maybe pressure switch faulty? Should any sensor fault show up with vagcom??
+1 :smiley: ?
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I'd imagine a sensor or switch not doing its job should come up in VCDS, as it is a measurable factor.
How do you know it isn't leaking though? Have they compared PSI since re gas??
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^ Haven't run a VCDS diag yet Mike but based on that info, I will do. Seems logical.
I have however had 2 recharge runs at Kwik-fit and it produced no errors or negative results in the feedback it gave. I understand a re-charge unit will tell you if you have any splits or leaks?
I don't know exactly was was checked, I can only assume they base it on the before and after PSI?...
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Mine too regassed without a fault on the machine they use, since looking again today I can see green dye (which they put into the gas) around and below what i think is the pressure sensor (you can see a small cable loom going to part of the air con pipe down opposite the alternator and compressor sort of area), if I pull up on that sensor you can hear a hiss of the gas escaping, and the compressor won't engage if there is any chance of a leak, I'll be taking it for a check later in the week but the guy I spoke to today at the place I'll be using said he'd bet his bottom dollar it would be a leak somewhere causing the problem. :sad1:
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Mine is going in tomorrow now - It will cost me £302.00 if it's a stone or similar that caused the problem - if not Warranty Direct will cover it.
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Best to hope it ain't a stone!!
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Mine is now fixed it turned out to be a leaking pressure switch, about £40 for the part, £55 for the re-gas all done by a local mobile air con specialist, spot on!!
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Mine is now fixed it turned out to be a leaking pressure switch, about £40 for the part, £55 for the re-gas all done by a local mobile air con specialist, spot on!!
Top effort Daz :happy2:
How did you/they diagnose it was a pressure switch? :smiley:
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When it gets regassed they add a green dye and I spotted that around the top of the pressure switch, it pays to get someone who specialises in air con not just a garage that can have a 'go' at most things, so I picked up the local yellow pages and a chap came out within the hour and fixed it. A proper air con specialist would actually pressure test with nitrogen first and I guess this would show any leak, when he removed the switch under the multiplug (3 wires) was soaked with green dye and he knew this was the problem as he said he'd seen tons of them.
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£428.00 total cost
But good news all round as it was a mechanical problem and not the fault of stone chips.. so warranty direct are picking up the cost - phew! (Less my £50.00 excess) :congrats:
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Yours all sorted now mate ^?
Got mine assessed today. The guys who usually service mine reckon its the compressor :sad1:
If I can find my own compressor, he'll fit it for £130 all in.
The problem is that he said the compressor is over £400 and £530odd from VW. The one for £400 odd is from the company that supplies VW but directly to him without the extra cost.
...So I really don't want to spend £530 to repair the A/C at this stage. Going to get looking at compressors on ebay... :indifferent
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Try the company in the first link from post 31 in this thread mate, their compressors were very cheap!!http://www.autoairconparts.co.uk/Car-Air-Conditioning-Condenser-Radiator-for-Volkswagen-GOLF-MK5-2.0-FSi-Petrol-Manual-or-Automatic-Oct-03-to-Oct-08-Part-16-1054.html
http://www.autoairconparts.co.uk/Volkswagen-GOLF-MK5-2.0-FSi-Petrol-Manual/Auto-Oct-03-to-Oct-08-car-air-conditioning-compressors-pumps-condensers-aircon-radiators-and-more/
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Yeah, I used the link for the condensers Daz and looked for an air compressor for a mk5 2.0T Golf, but they don't list that engine. Only list the 2.0FSI and the TDIs etc... Not the GTI engine?
Cheers.
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Yes mate all sorted now. Hope you can get yours sorted out for a decent price.. I reversed into a bloody granite block in Manchester this week!.. :(
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^ :confused: That's no bloody good fella! :chicken: What's the damage?
Can anyone confirm if an air conditioning compressor from a 2008 GT TDI would fit a 2006 GTI?
If they're universally the same, then I know I'm safe. I've asked the seller for the VW part number but I'm yet to gauge the competence levels... :indifferent:
Thanks :happy2:
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^ :confused: That's no bloody good fella! :chicken: What's the damage?
Can anyone confirm if an air conditioning compressor from a 2008 GT TDI would fit a 2006 GTI?
If they're universally the same, then I know I'm safe. I've asked the seller for the VW part number but I'm yet to gauge the competence levels... :indifferent:
Thanks :happy2:
LOL tell me about it! :smiley:
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,15956.0.html
I've posted in ukmkiv.net as well and looking like a few hundred to get it sorted
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Some good info from www.honestjohn.co.uk & the Telegraph Motoring pages under known faults on Golf V:
Failure of Zexel or Valeo a/c compressors is common, usually a year or two out of warranty and dealers can quote £1,304 for new compressor, condensor and expansion valve. Sometimes goodwill of about £300 offered. But cheaper to buy a new Sanden compressor for £287 and have it fitted by an independent a/c specialist for about £150. Internet forums, particularly in USA are full of postings concerning failures of Zexel and Valeo compressors, seems a case of "when not if".
Seems like this little issue is well known.....
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^ Yeah, seems its famous for them Loucyffer :ashamed:
The one I bought turned out to be shat anyway as it was the wrong part number and the electric connection clip had broken off, so a full refund is being organised and sorted. I knew it was a gamble and it just shows that used mechanical parts from ebay are high risk buys usually speaking. Not to worry...
So I'm back to square 1B really.
What's the difference between these two compressors?
http://www.autoairconparts.co.uk/Car-Air-Conditioning-Compressor-Pump-for-Volkswagen-GOLF-MK5-2.0-FSi-Petrol-Manual-or-Automatic-Oct-03-to-Oct-08-Part-14-9698.html
http://www.autoairconparts.co.uk/Car-Air-Conditioning-Compressor-Pump-for-Volkswagen-GOLF-MK5-2.0-FSi-Petrol-Manual-or-Automatic-Oct-03-to-Oct-08-Part-14-9698P.html
Why is there £45 in it?
Is one a Zexel and one a copy?
Thanks.
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There's £45 in it because the first link states 'Pattern Part' in the title, & the second one says 'Original Equipment Unit' I'd think. So the first one is, I guess, a copy of the original.
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Just been reading through this topic !
Your indy dealer will be getting his parts from eurocarparts !
just go on there website @ www.eurocarparts.co.uk
enter your reg number !
hey presto £350 brand new compressor
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I have a info for a cheap compressor from neilm on this forum if u need it mate.
It's in Milton Keynes too!
Didn't need it in the end
martin.
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There's £45 in it because the first link states 'Pattern Part' in the title, & the second one says 'Original Equipment Unit' I'd think. So the first one is, I guess, a copy of the original.
Thanks Lou.
Just been reading through this topic !
Your indy dealer will be getting his parts from eurocarparts !
just go on there website @ www.eurocarparts.co.uk
enter your reg number !
hey presto £350 brand new compressor
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That's cool BL but it's £100 more than the one I've posted and I'm confident thats the one I need. They're all much of a muchness - the mistake I made before was I purchased one from a diesel.
Cheers.
I have a info for a cheap compressor from neilm on this forum if u need it mate.
It's in Milton Keynes too!
Didn't need it in the end
martin.
Is it brand new Martin? If so, I'd certainly be interested. Thanks fella.
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Welcome mate. :happy2:
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http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320363806446
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Sadly not brand new but came out of an 07 ed30.
It's neilms on this site, was fitted & working till last week bit he is going down the weight saving route :happy2:
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If he wants to save more wieght, there's a lot of folk on here wanting an Ed30 rear bumper :laugh:
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Well used the magic search button and found this thread...
Is it normal for the rad fans to sound like a jet about to take off when running the A/C? Mine did up until last week and now it's doing the same as others on here...blowing air but not cooling even on 16c or Lo.
Presume I've read right that it's fecked? And if so, how the he'll can one small part of the far be worth £500 upwards to sort and also be a known failure?!? Surely these should be recalls if so many are failing within 5 years?
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Here's a couple of links for you to have a look at, which may help:
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/askhj/answer/16139/aired-grievance
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=16298
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/faq/air-conditioning/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/caradvice/honestjohn/7746077/Golf-Mark-IV-air-con-problem-Honest-John.html
Hope that gives you some info/ammo.
If your car has a full VW Dealer service hisoty, get on the phone to VW and moan.
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Use the search feature and found this thread.
My compressor has seized and requires replacing, is it a necessity to replace the condenser at the same time, or is flushing the system enough?
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Just done a search and found this post,
I've recently made a new post about a grease/ oil like substance building up on lower part of the honeycomb grill. I was originally expecting the inter-cooler although now I'm not so sure.
My aircon doesn't blow cold and possibly links to re gassing or maybe a aircon leak. If I have a leak could the fluid on the honeycomb grill be a product of the escaping gas from the aircon radiator as it leaves the 'sealed' system?
I've noticed the above today after a long drive back from footy last night and having the aircon on in an attempt to cool down- might be one of those things but seems to add up-or maybe that's just me!!
Cheers.
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Hi,
I recently met up with a mate who had my car on vagcom.
It turns out that a fault with the aircon will be identified when running diagnostics ( well mine was at least). Basically the ecu said that the air con had exceeded its lower limit. As a safety measure my air con condenser doesn't even try to kick in anymore.
So the result is a trip down to a specialist to have the leak identified in order to confirm its the condenser. It's just a bloody pain that most places insists on you paying for a re gas in order for the leak to be identified; basically throwing £50 + down the drain!
I'll update on total costs and parts used just in case it helps anyone.
Cheers.
Thanks.
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Hi,
I recently met up with a mate who had my car on vagcom.
It turns out that a fault with the aircon will be identified when running diagnostics ( well mine was at least). Basically the ecu said that the air con had exceeded its lower limit. As a safety measure my air con condenser doesn't even try to kick in anymore.
So the result is a trip down to a specialist to have the leak identified in order to confirm its the condenser. It's just a bloody pain that most places insists on you paying for a re gas in order for the leak to be identified; basically throwing £50 + down the drain!
I'll update on total costs and parts used just in case it helps anyone.
Cheers.
Thanks.
Any update on this as mine has stopped working today, I may have the same problem?
thanks
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Sorry to revive an old thred but I'm having exactly the same issues - leak now identified but cant test the compressor untill the leak is fixed? The money pit begins!
Did anyone ever have any success/ progress with this?