MK5 Golf GTI

All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Performance Modifications => Topic started by: djhorace on June 05, 2010, 10:39:44 am

Title: If you were installing WMI, where would you make the tie in?
Post by: djhorace on June 05, 2010, 10:39:44 am

Owen and I have WMI kits coming, but I am just trying to pick the best place for the tie in. Any suggestions, links, photos, pictures etc welcome  :happy2:

Title: Re: If you were installing WMI, where would you make the tie in?
Post by: Janner_Sy on June 05, 2010, 05:48:24 pm

i gotcha thinking there then DJ :grin:..  when speaking to BSH reference WMI they said fitting a nozzle at the bottom of the TB/IC pipe and another 1 6-7" below the throttle body.  to allow full atomisation of the water into the air prior to reaching the MAP sensor.

they were planning on releasing a specially built pipie with bungs already esigned into them for the nozzles at the optimum positon and angle to get the best atomisation.  have a search of the us golf forum.  this was before xmas and here was vids of it in development phase, si id guess it must be nearly finished.  the yanks are mad on W/M over there, and were pestering him like crazy for it

Title: Re: If you were installing WMI, where would you make the tie in?
Post by: djhorace on June 05, 2010, 06:30:42 pm

This kit has its own built in MAP sensor though. The only ties we will need are a tap to an injector signal, boost and power as wel as a position for the tank and the nozzle.

Getting a signal for boost will be a wee challenge as I did away with the factory PCV. I guess I will need a BOV spacer for that.

Do you have links/pictures for the WMI? I am not sure which forum you are speaking about to be honest.

Title: Re: If you were installing WMI, where would you make the tie in?
Post by: Janner_Sy on June 05, 2010, 06:45:24 pm

no idea about your tap in tbh, but the tap ins for the nozzles are as i said in  post#2.

www.golfmkv.com  there are alot of WMI threads. with builds and pics etc.

post #1190 is the new BSH pipe just released. looks the business http://golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87187&page=55

http://golfmkv.com/forums/search.php?searchid=4734438

Title: Re: If you were installing WMI, where would you make the tie in?
Post by: KRL on June 05, 2010, 07:11:15 pm

Here are the pics.

Agree this looks like a good product from BSH.

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bshspeedshop.com%2Fimages%2Ftbpipe1.jpg&hash=306376535b75a8c970a3890e208ed67cfa96373f)

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bshspeedshop.com%2Ftbpipebung1.jpg&hash=8b1a0344bbe703a3e4e5ce4eb860f2403e73993f)

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bshspeedshop.com%2Fimages%2Ftbpipebung2.JPG&hash=8c282897992f46673452d3a0375e5a87c86382d5)

Title: Re: If you were installing WMI, where would you make the tie in?
Post by: djhorace on June 05, 2010, 09:22:15 pm

So this pipe is a pre prepared pipe to work with WMI then? Is there a fitting guide somewhere? I could not find one.

Title: Re: If you were installing WMI, where would you make the tie in?
Post by: Janner_Sy on June 05, 2010, 09:26:52 pm

yeah, as said before and if you read those threads, they seem to have put alot of R&D on their own car as a test mule to get the angles of spray pattern correct.  something was said that if the angle or position is incorrect you could get droplets form and build up at the lowest point which is the IC.

cant imagine it being hard to fit.  one for one swap with a few jubilees thrown in.  all the WMI holes ome with bungs i think as well so you dont have to use both o them.  send hima PM on there. very helpful guy, and dubtek on here should be able to get hold of them

Title: Re: If you were installing WMI, where would you make the tie in?
Post by: Hurdy on June 05, 2010, 09:39:06 pm

I'm sure there's a guy on VWVortex who ported straight into the intake manifold (filed vanes down) with 4 separate injectors. He had good results with it.

Title: Re: If you were installing WMI, where would you make the tie in?
Post by: Janner_Sy on June 05, 2010, 09:40:15 pm

i have pics of that somewhere, h=think his name is little red east or something like that. 

Title: Re: If you were installing WMI, where would you make the tie in?
Post by: Janner_Sy on June 05, 2010, 11:41:27 pm

his name was little_red_fast.  he'susually one of the irst guys to try all this new stuff.  think he does all the work himself.  he has aload of mini build threads on there whic is handy if you use his name for a refined search.

here is how he has wired his methanol in
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi461.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fqq340%2Fryan_barrus%2FWater%2520Meth%2FDSC_0085.jpg&hash=2a45d61899c47af683401b7a42e695ade2f6019f)

hres his build thread
http://golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98645&highlight=water+meth

Title: Re: If you were installing WMI, where would you make the tie in?
Post by: Hurdy on June 05, 2010, 11:45:31 pm

That's the one :happy2:

Title: Re: If you were installing WMI, where would you make the tie in?
Post by: Janner_Sy on June 05, 2010, 11:51:41 pm

cant find his thread on vortex?? tied finding it.

Title: Re: If you were installing WMI, where would you make the tie in?
Post by: Hurdy on June 05, 2010, 11:53:32 pm

It was quite a while ago!

Title: Re: If you were installing WMI, where would you make the tie in?
Post by: Poppa Dom on June 06, 2010, 12:06:44 am

You will be lucky finding it on vortex at the moment, since moving to their new forum software all the old posts are somewhat foobared.  :sad1:

Title: Re: If you were installing WMI, where would you make the tie in?
Post by: Janner_Sy on June 06, 2010, 12:13:00 am

reading his build thread i do see and agree with a problem plumbing it in as he has.  in total he has 5 injectors.  one into each leg of the manifold into each cylinder post IAT sensor, and one going into the TB/IC pipe pre IAT sensor.

So only 1/5 of the W/M is cooling the air before it reaches the sensor.  which means he might only be able to advance timing a small amount considering how much he's pumping in.   


so what are the extra benefits of pumping straight into the manifold.  is it octane based then??