MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Janner_Sy on June 11, 2010, 06:45:10 pm
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if any of you guys with ITG intakes have logged your cars could you please post up your intake mass air flow readings.
Im trying to get a base comparison to see what they can achieve.
USERNAME===STAGE/TUNER===TURBO AND INTAKE===G/S
K04 Cars
TFSI_mike===stage 2+ APR===ITG===248g/s
gazbutS3=== stage 2+ REVO===ITG===255g/s
cupra_k1===stage 2+ REVO===ITG===261g/s
KRL===Stage 1 REVO===Twintake===249g/s
DJhorice===stage 2+ revo===Evoms===275g/s
Hedge===Stage 3 Superchips===stock intake===259g/s
DomT===Revo Stage 2+/Stage 2 DSG===Evoms===277g/s
PDT===Revo stg2+===Dbils intake with open cone inplace of airbox===256g/s
GTiJames== Revo Stage 2+ == ITG == 251.1g/s
K03 Cars
vRSCarl===stage 2+ REVO===Evoms===234g/s
vRSy===stage 1 shark performance===stock intake===200g/s
muckipup===stage 2+ shark performance test map===ITG===204g/s
RedRobin===Revo stage 2===Forge Twintake===???g/s [to be added]
in fact i other guys could post uo your intake air mass in the above style with diferent intakes to get an idea what they are flowing. (obviously all cars run differently but they should all be i the same regionish, for similar specced cars
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if any o you guys with ITG intakes have logged your cars could you post up your intake air flow readings. im trying to get a base comparison to see what they can achieve.
TFSI_mike===stage 2+ APR===k04===248g/s
gazbutS3=== stage 2+ REVO===k04===255g/s
in fact i other guys could post uo your intake air mass in the above style with diferent intakes to get an idea what they are flowing. (obviously all cars run differently but they should all be i the same regionish, for similar specced cars
useful. ta sy :happy2:
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Great idea mate, would be good to see comparisons.
cupra_k1===stage 2+ REVO===k04===261g/s (ITG)
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damn i wish i was at home so that i could see what i pull with the VF 3" on GIAC
good thread Sy
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USERNAME===STAGE/TUNER===TURNO AND INTAKE===G/S
TFSI_mike===stage 2+ APR===k04 ===248g/s
gazbutS3=== stage 2+ REVO===k04 ITG===255g/s
vRSy===stage 1 shark performance===k03stock intake===200g/s
cupra_k1===stage 2+ REVO===k04 ITG===261g/s
vRSCarl===stage 2+ REVO===k03 Evoms===234g/s
KRL===Stage 1 REVO===K04 Twintake===249g/s
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USERNAME===STAGE/TUNER===TURBO AND INTAKE===G/S
TFSI_mike===stage 2+ APR===k04 ITG===248g/s
gazbutS3=== stage 2+ REVO===k04 ITG===255g/s
vRSy===stage 1 shark performance===k03stock intake===200g/s
cupra_k1===stage 2+ REVO===k04 ITG===261g/s
vRSCarl===stage 2+ REVO===k03 Evoms===234g/s
KRL===Stage 1 REVO===K04 Twintake===249g/s
DJhorice===stage 2+ revo===k04 Evoms===275g/s
Any k03 guys able to add to this??
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USERNAME===STAGE/TUNER===TURBO AND INTAKE===G/S
TFSI_mike===stage 2+ APR===k04 ITG===248g/s
gazbutS3=== stage 2+ REVO===k04 ITG===255g/s
vRSy===stage 1 shark performance===k03stock intake===200g/s
cupra_k1===stage 2+ REVO===k04 ITG===261g/s
vRSCarl===stage 2+ REVO===k03 Evoms===234g/s
KRL===Stage 1 REVO===K04 Twintake===249g/s
DJhorice===stage 2+ revo===k04 Evoms===275g/s
Hedge===Stage 3 Superchips===stock intake===259g/s
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USERNAME===STAGE/TUNER===INTAKE===G/S
K04 Cars
TFSI_mike===stage 2+ APR===ITG===248g/s
gazbutS3=== stage 2+ REVO===ITG===255g/s
cupra_k1===stage 2+ REVO===ITG===261g/s
KRL===Stage 1 REVO===Twintake===249g/s
DJhorice===stage 2+ revo===Evoms===275g/s
Hedge===Stage 3 Superchips===stock intake===259g/s
K03 Cars
vRSCarl===stage 2+ REVO===Evoms===234g/s
vRSy===stage 1 shark performance===stock intake===200g/s
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USERNAME===STAGE/TUNER===INTAKE===G/S
K04 Cars
TFSI_mike===stage 2+ APR===ITG===248g/s
gazbutS3=== stage 2+ REVO===ITG===255g/s
cupra_k1===stage 2+ REVO===ITG===261g/s
KRL===Stage 1 REVO===Twintake===249g/s
DJhorice===stage 2+ revo===Evoms===275g/s
Hedge===Stage 3 Superchips===stock intake===259g/s
K03 Cars
vRSCarl===stage 2+ REVO===Evoms===234g/s
vRSy===stage 1 shark performance===stock intake===200g/s
muckipup===stage 2+ shark performance test map===ITG===204g/s :sad1:
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USERNAME===STAGE/TUNER===INTAKE===G/S
K04 Cars
TFSI_mike===stage 2+ APR===ITG===248g/s
gazbutS3=== stage 2+ REVO===ITG===255g/s
cupra_k1===stage 2+ REVO===ITG===261g/s
KRL===Stage 1 REVO===Twintake===249g/s
DJhorice===stage 2+ revo===Evoms===275g/s
Hedge===Stage 3 Superchips===stock intake===259g/s
DomT===Revo Stage 2+/Stage 2 DSG===Evoms===277g/s
K03 Cars
vRSCarl===stage 2+ REVO===Evoms===234g/s
vRSy===stage 1 shark performance===stock intake===200g/s
muckipup===stage 2+ shark performance test map===ITG===204g/s :sad1:
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USERNAME===STAGE/TUNER===INTAKE===G/S
K04 Cars
TFSI_mike===stage 2+ APR===ITG===248g/s
gazbutS3=== stage 2+ REVO===ITG===255g/s
cupra_k1===stage 2+ REVO===ITG===261g/s
KRL===Stage 1 REVO===Twintake===249g/s
DJhorice===stage 2+ revo===Evoms===275g/s
Hedge===Stage 3 Superchips===stock intake===259g/s
DomT===Revo Stage 2+/Stage 2 DSG===Evoms===277g/s
K03 Cars
vRSCarl===stage 2+ REVO===Evoms===234g/s
vRSy===stage 1 shark performance===stock intake===200g/s
muckipup===stage 2+ shark performance test map===ITG===204g/s :sad1:
PDT===Revo stg2+============Dbils intake with open cone inplace of airbox====256g/s
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PDT, isn't you car a k04 varient?
Just asking as you put your details under the k03 section.
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USERNAME===STAGE/TUNER===INTAKE===G/S
K04 Cars
TFSI_mike===stage 2+ APR===ITG===248g/s
gazbutS3=== stage 2+ REVO===ITG===255g/s
cupra_k1===stage 2+ REVO===ITG===261g/s
KRL===Stage 1 REVO===Twintake===249g/s
DJhorice===stage 2+ revo===Evoms===275g/s
Hedge===Stage 3 Superchips===stock intake===259g/s
DomT===Revo Stage 2+/Stage 2 DSG===Evoms===277g/s
K03 Cars
vRSCarl===stage 2+ REVO===Evoms===234g/s
vRSy===stage 1 shark performance===stock intake===200g/s
muckipup===stage 2+ shark performance test map===ITG===204g/s
PDT===Revo stg2+===Dbils intake with open cone inplace of airbox===256g/s
RedRobin===Revo stage 2===Forge Twintake===???g/s [to be added]
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USERNAME===STAGE/TUNER===INTAKE===G/S
K04 Cars
TFSI_mike===stage 2+ APR===ITG===248g/s
gazbutS3=== stage 2+ REVO===ITG===255g/s
cupra_k1===stage 2+ REVO===ITG===261g/s
KRL===Stage 1 REVO===Twintake===249g/s
DJhorice===stage 2+ revo===Evoms===275g/s
Hedge===Stage 3 Superchips===stock intake===259g/s
DomT===Revo Stage 2+/Stage 2 DSG===Evoms===277g/s
PDT===Revo stg2+===Dbils intake with open cone inplace of airbox===256g/s
K03 Cars
vRSCarl===stage 2+ REVO===Evoms===234g/s
vRSy===stage 1 shark performance===stock intake===200g/s
muckipup===stage 2+ shark performance test map===ITG===204g/s
RedRobin===Revo stage 2===Forge Twintake===???g/s [to be added]
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K04 Cars
TFSI_mike===stage 2+ APR===ITG===248g/s
gazbutS3=== stage 2+ REVO===ITG===255g/s
cupra_k1===stage 2+ REVO===ITG===261g/s
KRL===Stage 1 REVO===Twintake===249g/s
DJhorice===stage 2+ revo===Evoms===275g/s
Hedge===Stage 3 Superchips===stock intake===259g/s
DomT===Revo Stage 2+/Stage 2 DSG===Evoms===277g/s
PDT===Revo stg2+===Dbils intake with open cone inplace of airbox===256g/s
GTiJames== Revo Stage 2+ == ITG == 251.1g/s
K03 Cars
vRSCarl===stage 2+ REVO===Evoms===234g/s
vRSy===stage 1 shark performance===stock intake===200g/s
muckipup===stage 2+ shark performance test map===ITG===204g/s
RedRobin===Revo stage 2===Forge Twintake===???g/s [to be added]
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will evoms readins be accurate seeing as they have non std maf housing sizing?
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Is this g/s thingy value on the rolling road printout?
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^^^ Nope this comes from VCDS logging of the car. :happy2:
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Is this g/s thingy value on the rolling road printout?
No RR, you have to log it with vcds. :smiley:
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^^^Damn that SteveP with his keyboard skills... :laugh:
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SteveP 2 - Bacillus 0 :laugh:
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will evoms readins be accurate seeing as they have non std maf housing sizing?
This is a fair point as the size of the maf housing varies amongst different brands of intake, therefore one with a smaller diameter housing will naturally read higher than that of a larger housing.
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will evoms readins be accurate seeing as they have non std maf housing sizing?
This is a fair point as the size of the maf housing varies amongst different brands of intake, therefore one with a smaller diameter housing will naturally read higher than that of a larger housing.
I was of the ssumption that this would be the other way around?
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An intake with a 10% larger diameter intake at the MAF will read 10% lower for a given airspeed flow....unless the ECU can be scaled to accomodate the diameter difference and correct the reading.
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Am I wrong in thinking that this survey, though a great idea in principle, could in fact be fairly meaningless?
It's all very academic anyway.. My car drives beautifully, sounds awesome, looks cool, with its aftermarket intake and that's all that matters to me.
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^^^^^THREAD KILLER!!^^^^^
:signLOL:
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Robin does have a point. I am getting a lowly 204 g/s, not because of a carp intake, but because my map is not requesting the full fuel rail pressure thus fuel thus air needed to burn it. However, all other things being equal with cars running as they should, it should give some useful comparisons.
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^^^ Never heard of carp intakes before, all sounds a bit fishy to me :signLOL: :signLOL: :signLOL:
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of course it has a relevance. it shows what the intakes are able to flow at each stage of tune,s o when guys log their cars it is handy to see what others are producing for comparison. and to be fair it gives a good indication of what guys are producing power wise. as confirmed today on my RR. mine made pretty much what the maf/0.8 figure predicted.
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will evoms readins be accurate seeing as they have non std maf housing sizing?
None of the readings will be bang on accurate whether it is the ITG, EVOMS Twintake etc....
To get an idea of how accurate the reading is look at your long term fuel trims (LTFTs) this will tell you how much fuel the ECU is having to add or subtract to maitain AFR. To check your LTFTs look at block 32.
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Sorry folks but in the light of different MAF pipe sizes my question was genuine and not intended to kill the survey.
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it doesnt matter, MAF output is a very good guide for how well a car performs and how well the intake can flow. you'll have to speak to JKM for your logs if you want to know your MAF Robin :happy2:
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Cheers, Sy - I'll see if I can get my flow log from JKM for the sake of adding info to this survey.
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will evoms readins be accurate seeing as they have non std maf housing sizing?
None of the readings will be bang on accurate whether it is the ITG, EVOMS Twintake etc....
To get an idea of how accurate the reading is look at your long term fuel trims (LTFTs) this will tell you how much fuel the ECU is having to add or subtract to maitain AFR. To check your LTFTs look at block 31.
You really do know your way around vcds :happy2:
I know who I will be begging for help should I ever need it :signLOL:
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For what it's worth my ltft is -2 and my stft is generally between -3 to 0
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K04 Cars
TFSI_mike===stage 2+ APR===ITG===248g/s
gazbutS3=== stage 2+ REVO===ITG===255g/s
cupra_k1===stage 2+ REVO===ITG===261g/s
KRL===Stage 1 REVO===Twintake===249g/s
DJhorice===stage 2+ revo===Evoms===275g/s
Hedge===Stage 3 Superchips===stock intake===259g/s
DomT===Revo Stage 2+/Stage 2 DSG===Evoms===277g/s
PDT===Revo stg2+===Dbils intake with open cone inplace of airbox===256g/s
GTiJames== Revo Stage 2+ == ITG == 251.1g/s
Hurdy===Revo Stage 2+/stage 2 DSG===Evoms==277.67g/s
K03 Cars
vRSCarl===stage 2+ REVO===Evoms===234g/s
vRSy===stage 1 shark performance===stock intake===200g/s
muckipup===stage 2+ shark performance test map===ITG===204g/s
RedRobin===Revo stage 2===Forge Twintake===???g/s [to be added]
Hybrid K04
Steve Jr at Statllers===GIAC hybrid map==Evoms/VF combo===306g/s
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Lol@ Hurdy with 277.67g/s. Guess you wanted to get one up on DomT's 277g/s value. :laugh:
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Lol@ Hurdy with 277.67g/s. Guess you wanted to get one up on DomT's 277g/s value. :laugh:
:signLOL:
Was just about to write the same thing ..
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think DomT was running 277.68 but didint want to boast :grin:
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Did Hurdy post 277.67? I think that 7 was meant to be a 9, so 277.69 :evilgrin:
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:P
I did some logs earlier today with this in mind. 3 runs in total with 2 over 277g/s in 4th gear and one at 274g/s in 3rd gear - private road obviously :wink:
Steve Jr has texted me to say that they have some logs with peak flows over 308g/s now :surprised: i think he's aiming for 310g/s and the car goes on Noble's dyno tomorrow afternoon :jumping: , so we should see some good figures with a bit of luck :happy2:
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For what it's worth my ltft is -2 and my stft is generally between -3 to 0
You got anything for your cylinder timings. All mine are zero apart from cylinder 2 and 3 on one run which ran at around -2 between 2.6k and 3.4krpm. My LTFT's are zero, but don't see why they should be different to yours :confused:
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My LTFT's are zero, but don't see why they should be different to yours :confused:
Very unlikely that your LTFT is 0 mate. Are you sure you looked at the right block? Engine block 32 with the ignition turned on is all you need to see it.
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Cheers, Sy - I'll see if I can get my flow log from JKM for the sake of adding info to this survey.
....Best scrub me from the list. No MAF thingy will be forthcoming - Nothing has been logged on the road since Twintake installed and hasn't been necessary.
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LTFT is only zero just after you clear the engine fault codes even thought there were no fault codes.
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Steve Jr has texted me to say that they have some logs with peak flows over 308g/s now :surprised: i think he's aiming for 310g/s and the car goes on Noble's dyno tomorrow afternoon :jumping: , so we should see some good figures with a bit of luck :happy2:
Just got the same text, think he's subliminaly selling the GIAC / Hybrid lol
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so looking at some of those figures, the ITG doesn't give much over the standard airbox but if you do want a CAI to flow better then get an EVOMS ?
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My LTFT's are zero, but don't see why they should be different to yours :confused:
Very unlikely that your LTFT is 0 mate. Are you sure you looked at the right block? Engine block 32 with the ignition turned on is all you need to see it.
I'll check when I get home. I thought it was a little strange as Dom is running the same intake as me. Sure I dialled in the right block though :confused:
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LTFT is only zero just after you clear the engine fault codes even thought there were no fault codes.
Ahh, this may be why as I'd cleared the engine check light fault just before :happy2:
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so looking at some of those figures, the ITG doesn't give much over the standard airbox but if you do want a CAI to flow better then get an EVOMS ?
Well I think looks can be deceptive as per my post earlier - my map meant that I wasn't getting the fuelling which meant that I didn't need the air. It wasn't down to my ITG intake if you get my drift....
...at least, I hope it isn't coz VRSy flogged it to me! :fighting: Got a feckin nerve with this thread otherwise :signLOL:
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RedRobin===Revo stage 2===Forge Twintake===???g/s [to be added]
:popcornsoda:
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so looking at some of those figures, the ITG doesn't give much over the standard airbox but if you do want a CAI to flow better then get an EVOMS ?
Well I think looks can be deceptive as per my post earlier - my map meant that I wasn't getting the fuelling which meant that I didn't need the air. It wasn't down to my ITG intake if you get my drift....
...at least, I hope it isn't coz VRSy flogged it to me! :fighting: Got a feckin nerve with this thread otherwise :signLOL:
I think the fact that the k04 cars are pulling 270g./s out of the same intake with an identical filter and pipework(excluding the DV takeoff)the filter restricts the amount that it can suck in, so its more of a combination of the two.
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RedRobin===Revo stage 2===Forge Twintake===???g/s [to be added]
:popcornsoda:
....No information available. JKM didn't log such when they installed my Twintake.