MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: MitchGTI on July 07, 2010, 02:10:03 pm
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I got the S3 remapped on monday (reset my blufin from my gti!) and im not that impressed? It doesnt feel like a 300bhp car? I used to have a stage 2 ko3 gti and that was awsome! But this just isnt that exiting!! Whats going on? Also im sure there is a problem with the DV? It makes a sorta dragged out long dump when you let off the throttle not a sharp release like i used to get on the gti wich had the uprated G version?! And it whistles like mad??
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Very easy to check the DV as it's located on the front on the engine.
I would also get someone with VCDS to log the car to check for any other issues :happy2:
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agree with Steve :happy2: log to check boost levels.
would also consider that you have the wrong map or the std map which means you dont get any extra hp :surprised:
whistling with increased boost is normal to some extent, but could also be loose hoses etc
my comedy answer was going to be
its a posh golf , they come dull as standard :P
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You should see a similar real world performance to a GTi Ed30 mapped however while the ED30 is still leaving it's rubber on the road behind you, you'll be away on your toes. :evilgrin:
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You should see a similar real world performance to a GTi Ed30 mapped however while the ED30 is still leaving it's rubber on the road behind you, you'll be away on your toes. :evilgrin:
Hardly away on its toes with the additional weight of a propshaft and Haldex :P
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^^^ says the man with two more cylinders and 1.2 litres of displacement :signLOL:
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It should do mate, when I had my Revo Stage 1 loaded the difference was night and day! As everyone has said get some logging done :happy2:
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As mentioned above, check with Superchips to see if you got the right map :happy2:
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also dont forget in an Ed30 your going from 230Hp to 280-300Hp, in the S3 your going from 260hp to 280-300Hp. big difference, and to be fair your prob not making 300Hp anyway
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also dont forget in an Ed30 your going from 230Hp to 280-300Hp, in the S3 your going from 260hp to 280-300Hp. big difference, and to be fair your prob not making 300Hp anyway
This is very true + Im guessing the S3 is heavier ?, i just got my R remapped and i can tell its been done but it doesnt blow your nuts of like the Golf did, then again the R felt quicker than the standard ED30 did so its all relative
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also dont forget in an Ed30 your going from 230Hp to 280-300Hp, in the S3 your going from 260hp to 280-300Hp. big difference, and to be fair your prob not making 300Hp anyway
This is very true + Im guessing the S3 is heavier ?, i just got my R remapped and i can tell its been done but it doesnt blow your nuts of like the Golf did, then again the R felt quicker than the standard ED30 did so its all relative
What software you gone with this time Shaun?
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^^^ says the man with two more cylinders and 1.2 litres of displacement :signLOL:
FTMFW :evilgrin:
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also dont forget in an Ed30 your going from 230Hp to 280-300Hp, in the S3 your going from 260hp to 280-300Hp. big difference, and to be fair your prob not making 300Hp anyway
My Ed30 on stage 1 was in the region of 265 ponies so an S3 will have gained (in best Paul Daniels voice) "Not a lot". :smiley:
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that would be 280bhp on any other rollers :grin:
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He should notice a difference. Mine drove like it just had a rocket stuck up it's arse as soon as the software was loaded! Maybe the Revo software has a 'little' more punch than Superchips! :happy2:
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also dont forget in an Ed30 your going from 230Hp to 280-300Hp, in the S3 your going from 260hp to 280-300Hp. big difference, and to be fair your prob not making 300Hp anyway
My Ed30 on stage 1 was in the region of 265 ponies so an S3 will have gained (in best Paul Daniels voice) "Not a lot". :smiley:
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that would be 280bhp on any other rollers :grin:
if his was, then my stage 1 would be 300 on others :signLOL: :notworthy:
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that would be 280bhp on any other rollers :grin:
Probably, but not if they are accurate. :wink:
He should notice a difference. Mine drove like it just had a rocket stuck up it's arse as soon as the software was loaded! Maybe the Revo software has a 'little' more punch than Superchips! :happy2:
A considerable amount more torque thats for sure and especially lowdown in the rev range.
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i heard custom code was where it was at on the S3 :grin:
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You should see a similar real world performance to a GTi Ed30 mapped however while the ED30 is still leaving it's rubber on the road behind you, you'll be away on your toes. :evilgrin:
Hardly away on its toes with the additional weight of a propshaft and Haldex :P
Not bad, a bite in just about 3 minutes and you don't even own one anymore :fighting:
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Not bad, a bite in just about 3 minutes and you don't even own one anymore :fighting:
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Right, getting this thread back on topic for Mitch - Mitch, if you want some logging I am about tonight give me a ring. Could do with a pint in the Golden Retriever :happy2:
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Not bad, a bite in just about 3 minutes and you don't even own one anymore :fighting:
:booty: :wink:
have you got rid mate??
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Ian now has a .:R32 Sy
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Me n dom Are going to do some logging tonight so will know whats going on later wether theres something wrong or its just me!
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Ian now has a .:R32 Sy
i know think i misread it as he got rid of the R32 :ashamed:
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whistling sounds like a leek,
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Sueprchips make more like 275-280bhp in reality, not 300bhp, they do pick up a bit of torque though. Bluefin is just a very safe 1 size fits all generic map, unlike a custom tuned map or REVO etc... which are all finely tuned using datalogging on the road/dyno to get it perfect.
I took a Superchips bluefin tuned 200 tfsi in recently for a dyno test, it ran a standard power of 192bhp and a 'tuned' power of 216bhp with a gain in torque of 37 ft/lb. The customer wasnt happy so we tested a REVO trial which made 239bhp and an extra 65 ft/lb of torque with about 30 mins setting up over their basic settings, all tested back to back on the dyno.
There is no replacement for 'real tuning' :happy2:
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A lot of the S3 guys have had RR's of nearer 300bhp as standard, you may have had a strong one and the bluefin only added 10 or so bhp?
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Well went out the evening with good ol domo and did the logging and to be fair it was a nice cool evening and the car was running thr best it ever has! So the results showed it running fine everything is all good no boost leaks, power is where it should be so my minds at rest... But im affraid the slope has come apon me! Im looking to get a milly dp next and hope that frees up some power! More power!!
Haha cheers domo and everyone else for help comments ect!
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A lot of the S3 guys have had RR's of nearer 300bhp as standard, you may have had a strong one and the bluefin only added 10 or so bhp?
In with statements like that I'll refer you to Hedge's earlier comment :evilgrin:
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As Mitch has already stated, car is running absolutely fine, no timing pull, boost levels as expected and actual meeting specificed, fuelling fine - although bluefin seems to max the fuelling out at 115bar. Doing calculations from the logs - 293bhp.
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When I had my old S3 remapped it was after a few hundred miles you noticed a big difference...
I have a brand new Milltek DownPipe & SportCat for sale if you interested.
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As Mitch has already stated, car is running absolutely fine, no timing pull, boost levels as expected and actual meeting specificed, fuelling fine - although bluefin seems to max the fuelling out at 115bar. Doing calculations from the logs - 293bhp.
its the torque that you feel though and if thats not substantial it might not feel that much more.
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When I had my old S3 remapped it was after a few hundred miles you noticed a big difference...
I have a brand new Milltek DownPipe & SportCat for sale if you interested.
Is that price negotiable though mate, as seems a little high to me considering it's still second hand and the warranty will be void (new owner). My mate is after one and if the price was to come down you would have a quick sale. :wink:
Sorry for the hijack Mitch, can't PM Kuro yet.. :ashamed:
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Good news Mitch, but what you really need is Revo stage 2+ and all the supporting mods! :evilgrin:
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I can't see how a stage 1 map on an S3 will make much difference. If the engine is the same as the ED 30 and the S3 is already running 265bhp 15-20bhp more isn't going to be night and day on a stage 1 map unless there is a better exhaust on the S3 etc.
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I can't see how a stage 1 map on an S3 will make much difference. If the engine is the same as the ED 30 and the S3 is already running 265bhp 15-20bhp more isn't going to be night and day on a stage 1 map unless there is a better exhaust on the S3 etc.
When mine was stage 1'd by Revo it honestly did make a huge difference :smiley:
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Is that price negotiable though mate, as seems a little high to me considering it's still second hand and the warranty will be void (new owner). My mate is after one and if the price was to come down you would have a quick sale. :wink:
Sorry for the hijack Mitch, can't PM Kuro yet.. :ashamed:
I'm always open to offers... PM me on vagoc.co.uk :wink:
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kuro pm me a price mate! im deffo interested in a miltek now!
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I can't PM on here yet...
Email me, my email is in my profile :happy2:
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Kuro make another post and you should be able to PM :happy2:
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Can I ask what the requested and actual boost levels were?
Also AFM logs are no real indication of power, my AFM logs show my car is making 347bhp, on the dyno it makes 385bhp. Our 1.8t bora that belongs to a mate makes 216bhp but afm figures give it 272 bhp!
What AFM logs fail to account for is ignition timing, this is where the real power is. Showing a timing pull of zero isnt a good thing, what if it could take another 4-5 degrees and still show zero? what if there was an extra 6-7 degrees before it showed 1-2 degrees of pull, thats where you want to be. 6-7 degrees of ign timing can be 20+ bhp
This tuning method is known as minimum best timing (MBT) you add ignition advance until the car either starts dropping in power or the retardation map starts pulling timing back out.
Dave.
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This is where the discussion is going to change tack and focus on the map provider (in this case Superchips). Boost requested 2300/2400 mbar (Bluefin Stage1) - actual boost meets requested across the whole range. MAF - tops out at 237 g/s Totally agree with comments about timing - but when there is no user headroom for this to be changed (Bluefin Vs Revo) you're caught between pillar and post. Also agree that AFM is not the best way forward, but better than none.
I guess the best way to evaluate where things are would be to get it on the Surrey Rolling road dyno. Which, incidentally when I logged my run on the dyno, AFM was within 5bhp of the dyno result.
Bringing RR data into the equation is not going to help as we all know that there is a dyno lottery to one degree or another.
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the dyno lottery is true, however mosr dyno dynamics dynos are within a few % of eachother in most cases.
An engine that is flowing a lot of air doesnt mean its making a lot of power :happy2:
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the dyno lottery is true, however mosr dyno dynamics dynos are within a few % of eachother in most cases.
An engine that is flowing a lot of air doesnt mean its making a lot of power :happy2:
Totally agree :happy2:
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Well this certainly has opened a can of worms! I think the best thing i can do is get it to a set of rollers and see what its pushing!
been out in it again tonight and its abit warmer and just feels slugish again! Soo my next port of call is a decent CAI and DP then see what its doing? Maybe revo is on the cards after all.... Dom you are wearing on me!!
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Sorry Mitch, I will be quiet - though I do think that your car is running just fine - with the map you have but is the map you have optimised as good as it could be. E.g. only requesting 115bar on the fuelling side of things. REckon you should get that downpipe - PM VRStu about the combination he had...
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PM VRStu about the combination he had...
Just Revo stage 1 and a dp/cat. :smiley:
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Well this certainly has opened a can of worms! I think the best thing i can do is get it to a set of rollers and see what its pushing!
been out in it again tonight and its abit warmer and just feels slugish again! Soo my next port of call is a decent CAI and DP then see what its doing? Maybe revo is on the cards after all.... Dom you are wearing on me!!
id normally say if is sluggish in the heat ,maybe its the intercooler, but you have an S3
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It's all relative though Sy. He has a bigger turbo so although an S3 cooler is a good upgrade for a K03 car it starts to suffer on K04 cars earlier.
Or another way to look at it is
Stage 2+ K03 = 280ish Bhp
Stage 1 K04 = 280ish bhp
I think a lot of the reason behind this is that it's being compared to Revo who's files are quite aggressive to give you the feeling you got a lot for your money. Whereas the Bluefin map "maybe" more progressive hence not the same feeling of power (even though it may be quicker) I had this when i went Stage 2+ as i felt it wasn't any quicker. It was only when i did some timed runs i that in fact the car was quicker.
Im not saying that is the case but if the Data Logging is not showing anything a miss then might be an idea to get it on a Dyno to look at the curve and take it from there.
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How does that work with the milly DP will it fit to the standard system with no problems? Will i loose anything by no going full system?
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You won't lose anything by not going full system.
All the Cat back part does is make the noise different and improve appearance.
For true stealth just fit the DP. You will prob see about another 10-15bhp & 15-20lb/ft with the DP. Will also help smooth things out due to easier flow.
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yeah i like stealth! im thinkin DP then a CAI and change to stage 2 software? i may have found a ITG intake up for grabs.....
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You will need a reducer for the DP/cat to fit.
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Yep just needs a reducer to fit... or a have a custom centre section made
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yeah i like stealth! im thinkin DP then a CAI and change to stage 2 software? i may have found a ITG intake up for grabs.....
might as well get a fuel pump on go 2+ :smiley:
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yeah i like stealth! im thinkin DP then a CAI and change to stage 2 software? i may have found a ITG intake up for grabs.....
might as well get a fuel pump on go 2+ :smiley:
+1, S3's Stage 2+ are monsters :evilgrin:
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That F*****g slippery slope is in front of me again!!! Argg. !! Lol kuro ile pm u tomoro about then bits!
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That F*****g slippery slope is in front of me again!!!
Stop being a (https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fserve.mysmiley.net%2Fadult%2Fhomoswitch.gif&hash=175fab3d976b60d98fd49b369f86c5c6b14d50ce) (http://www.mysmiley.net) and just go straight to Stage 2+ :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :signLOL:
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That F*****g slippery slope is in front of me again!!! Argg. !! Lol kuro ile pm u tomoro about then bits!
ok matey... :happy2: