MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: TopC on July 26, 2010, 09:06:32 am
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Hi,
I have few question about the GTI edition 30. I am grateful of all the info I can get - so thanks in advance.
Questions.
1. Is the Edition 30 considered as a totally different model than GTI or is it just like for example GTI comfortline?
2. If I would use chip tuning to get more power from the engine witch one of the gearboxes are more durable (DTS or manual)?
T
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Edition 30 is a differnent model to the GTi .
The Dsg is by far more able to handle more power as standard, then the Manual gearbox.
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Hi,
I have few question about the GTI edition 30. I am grateful of all the info I can get - so thanks in advance.
Questions.
1. Is the Edition 30 considered as a totally different model than GTI or is it just like for example GTI comfortline?
2. If I would use chip tuning to get more power from the engine witch one of the gearboxes are more durable (DTS or manual)?
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Its basically the same as a Gti, but has different wheels, different interior and a bigger turbo with different engine internals and when tuned gets massive gains, the engine is basically the same as the audi S3 in the ed30, some say it isnt but after seeing the same part numbers for both engines i believe it is :happy2:
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The Ed30 has a bigger turbo than the standard GTI and is more easily tunable for better results.
I agree that the DSG would be more durable to handling the power.
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Thanks for the quick answers.
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Edition 30 is a differnent model to the GTi .
The Dsg is by far more able to handle more power as standard, then the Manual gearbox.
what are you on about :confused:
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Edition 30 is a differnent model to the GTi .
The Dsg is by far more able to handle more power as standard, then the Manual gearbox.
what are you on about :confused:
Failing clutches Joe :stupid: .What normally happens after about 15+k miles on a mapped manual.
Thats what the O.P was asking afterall :P
Perhaps i should of worded it better , but you seem to be the only one that doesnt :wink:
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If I am planning about 260 - 270 hp do I have a problem with the clutch in the manual?
Thanks.
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Edition 30 is a differnent model to the GTi .
The Dsg is by far more able to handle more power as standard, then the Manual gearbox.
you do know your talking sh1t dont you as the manual gearbox can handle the power its the clutch that over time will start to slip :rolleye: mine was the first to do it ages ago :driver: but this is a very easy and cheapish fix unlike some of the dsg cars i know of that the boxes have fooked up big :signLOL: but thats not for me to say who they are :laugh: and my gearbox was in bits having the diff done and i asked what the box was like after 54k of driving and they said it was perfect :smiley:
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How much power you need to have to brake the clutch?
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^^^ It's not the BHP it's the torque and the way the car is driven that kills the clutch or dual mass flywheel.
If your thinking of remapping a manual ED30 I would say it's always worthwhile budgeting for a clutch within a few months.
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so would a dsg last longer on a modified car?
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they will both last the same but a dsg will cost more if it goes wrong to fix pure and simple a manuel box every grg knows them inside out but not everyone knows the ins and outs of the dsg box
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they will both last the same but a dsg will cost more if it goes wrong to fix pure and simple a manuel box every grg knows them inside out but not everyone knows the ins and outs of the dsg box
Anyone fancy adding NOS to their Manual GTi and see which Clutch lasts longest along with Hurdys DSG!!!
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so would a dsg last longer on a modified car?
erh hang on .................. Clutch last the longest
Before someone corrects you :signLOL:
From feedback on this very forum. The DSG and all thats directly connected to it will handle it better yes, but what do i know. :signLOL:
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Edition 30 is a differnent model to the GTi .
The Dsg is by far more able to handle more power as standard, then the Manual gearbox.
you do know your talking sh1t dont you as the manual gearbox can handle the power its the clutch that over time will start to slip :rolleye: mine was the first to do it ages ago :driver: but this is a very easy and cheapish fix unlike some of the dsg cars i know of that the boxes have fooked up big :signLOL: but thats not for me to say who they are :laugh: and my gearbox was in bits having the diff done and i asked what the box was like after 54k of driving and they said it was perfect :smiley:
See reply 6 matt. :happy2:
Edition 30 is a differnent model to the GTi .
The Dsg is by far more able to handle more power as standard, then the Manual gearbox.
what are you on about :confused:
Failing clutches Joe :stupid: .What normally happens after about 15+k miles on a mapped manual.
Thats what the O.P was asking afterall :P
Perhaps i should of worded it better , but you seem to be the only one that doesnt :wink:
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Guys, rather than have a DSG vs Manual brawl and scare the OP off modding completely, shall we just answer the question a bit better?
If this chap is looking at a Stage 1 map and one that is offering only 270bhp, I think it's fair to say neither a manual or DSG box is going to explode into a million pieces and will handle the power fine. Sure some of the earlier clutches don't like an agressive torque curve after a while, but there's also a massive amount of guys that have had no issues what so ever. All down to driving style if you ask me.
If I were new to the forum and read this thread, I would be sh*t scared of modding my Ed30 :surprised: :scared: When we all know that failures are pretty rare and not always down to software, but more lack of mechanical sympathy or being dam unlucky with faulty parts..
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^^^
I am know ben after some recent storys!! :signLOL:
Dont go overboard. If you cant afford to put it right if it goes wrong then dont. Or have warranty to help you fall back on.
Thats me personally, but its how far you want to take the risk.
But dont get me wrong its an awesome machine in any guise mapped. That i cant disagree with :smiley:
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Steve P is right, its down to driving style and what map and settings you are using, but having driven both they are both great fun in different ways and the paddles on the DSG are a great hoot. I have a manual purely because i cant drive an auto!!! I am now prob pushing 340+bhp on standard clutch but the OEM unit wont last long as its just not designed to handle that kind of power delivery and an uprated one with the flywheel and labour costs will come in at around 1200quid. If you only intend on stage one then the choice is yours, you shouldnt have any probs with either at around 280bhp.
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Clutch on mine is a vwr paddle clutch been in for 30k now and was still perfect when it came out for the diff and that's £500 ish fix fitted :P
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Thanks for all the answers. It is a excellent to get so many answers and good arguments. I kind of assumed that someone would have just said something stupid to my questions.
I had a Golf 4 about 6 years ago with repam and it handled the power well. I am a bit afraid about the dsg - if something goes wrong with it, the cost will be a lot more than if something goes wrong with a manual. Putting in a better clutch is not a big deal if the box is ok.
For me what counts is the acceleration in the area of 60 km/h to 140 km/h. Just to make overtaking safe and fun ;).
I am trying to find a good GTI edition 30 from Germany. If everything goes as planned I will get the car next week. With the info from here I will consider the DSG and manual equal for my needs.
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