MK5 Golf GTI
General => New Member Intro's => Topic started by: wheels-inmotion on August 02, 2010, 03:19:55 pm
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New boy on the block saying hi.....
My names Tony, married with two wallet robbing teenage daughters. My daily drive is a Lotus Esprit 2.2 turbo, nice car but it has no respect for the price of fuel......
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A Warm Welcome, but I'm curious why you have joined this forum as it's so 2.0T FSI platform based. Or am I displaying my ignorance of the Lotus's?
[I've got one teenage daughter but she never asks me for any money and costs me very little! I don't understand people saying that having children is expensive.. It needn't be]
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Hi Tony,
I know you from Briskoda. Tony is extremely knowledgeable regarding chassis alignment or the dreaded "tracking" and "4 wheel alignment" terms that people use without knowing.
I am sure all will be revealed in the fullness of time. :wink:
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I've been hovering for some time, it's only polite to join and say hi. It's a nice well run forum with a friendly atmos.
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Hi and welcome. Nobody will hate you for posting pics of your car. :party:
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Thanks for the warm welcome peeps.... I will post picts of the car once i figure out how? Basically she is the same type of Lotus used in the Bond movie, she's 19yrs with 10k on the clock, so absolutely mint. I always liked the Esprit since i grew up with the Bond film but i was actually looking for a Countach ( Cannon ball run super car ) after looking for a year with no real luck the Esprit turned up and what caught my eye was the index, J4 TBO, well my name is Tony Bones.... It had to happen.
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A Warm Welcome, but I'm curious why you have joined this forum as it's so 2.0T FSI platform based. Or am I displaying my ignorance of the Lotus's?
tony willl be a great addition to this forum, he works for/runs(correct as necessary) wheels in motion which to be fair is widely renowned as being one o the best chassis tuning garages in the UK. his posts on briskoda and the WiM forum are excellent. very very knpwledgable person to know or have at your disposal when it cones to chassis tuning.
welcome tony :happy2:
maybe a post on your capabilities would be handy
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Shhh you'll get me thrown out of here :ashamed: With respect to traders and admin i don't talk about my business, but since you have opened the door, yes my field is suspension and chassis dynamics, with a smattering of aerodynamics. If i'm honest the reason i've been watching the forum is there's some issues with the MK5 and i wanted to see how prolific they are, i didn't like the way some other VW forums where run or the attitude of some members so i have been watching here. I like the way admin police this forum and members seem to really get along, in view of this i would like to devote some time here.
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Hello and Welcome Tony.
Thanks for your positive comments on the site and our members :happy2:
Once your up to 10 posts drop me a PM and I will let you know how things work with traders on the site :smiley:
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Will do..... I'm not actually looking to be a trader but if i have to go down that route sobeit. My posts here would only be informative in order to respect other traders but help members.
In truth wim station has no room for anymore trade and our 35 satellite centres are also at capacity, the last thing i need is more and in truth booking delays could be disappointing for members.
The reason i've attached to this forum is the admin control is superb, the members attitude is fantastic so i have a great platform for research without the usual keyboard worrier pecking every post.
I'm a forum virgin at the moment but once i find my feet i hope to explore members chassis concerns and maybe have a free club meet at the centre to get a more global overview of the cars chassis.
I think it would be polite to say why i need to research the MK5? There is issues with the rear camber/ toe positions, the resulting wear generates a "heal and toe effect" this in turn makes a sound like a bearing had gone. I need research cars to establish new positions to belay the heel and toe wear.
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i know laurent here has had some issues with only a small input trying to st his car up
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,16370.msg248177.html#new
the sound you are talking of, was a common occurance on the octavia vRS, the factory released new alignment settings which cured this. it caused a droning sound, and saw toothingof the tyres etc
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Will do..... I'm not actually looking to be a trader but if i have to go down that route sobeit. My posts here would only be informative in order to respect other traders but help members.
In truth wim station has no room for anymore trade and our 35 satellite centres are also at capacity, the last thing i need is more and in truth booking delays could be disappointing for members.
The reason i've attached to this forum is the admin control is superb, the members attitude is fantastic so i have a great platform for research without the usual keyboard worrier pecking every post.
I'm a forum virgin at the moment but once i find my feet i hope to explore members chassis concerns and maybe have a free club meet at the centre to get a more global overview of the cars chassis.
I think it would be polite to say why i need to research the MK5? There is issues with the rear camber/ toe positions, the resulting wear generates a "heal and toe effect" this in turn makes a sound like a bearing had gone. I need research cars to establish new positions to belay the heel and toe wear.
Welcome on board Tony. Just dive straight in, and start realigning our ideas on set-up. correct suspension set up gets largely ignored on here if truth be told, as there are very few members who know there onions in this field. Its normally power plus more power. :laugh:
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Hi Tony,
I to know you from Briskoda and also paid you guys a visit last year.
Welcome to the Forum :happy2:
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Thanks for that..... Trust me i'm not the sort of person to take the mick, if i need to pay trader fees then in respect for other traders i will, assuming the terms are reasonable, nevertheless i cannot support a trade section because i simply don't have the time.
About me.....
I've devoted all my life to chassis dynamics and most of my later years trying to explain the industry does not understand it's own industry?
I was self taught for the first 15yrs ( no Internet and all that ) I trained to be an instructor and then passed my ProDrive chassis course, from here i decided to remain in the public arena rather then go into the manufacturing side of things, i then left my current employ of 25yrs to open wim, that was nearly three years ago.
In the past three years i have made remarkable inroads within clubs and forums opening the awareness "Alignment the big con", by holding free club meets this has been further explained, see here> http://www.wheels-inmotion.co.uk/simplegallery.php?id=1&button2=View+Gallery suddenly members get the real picture.
Meets are great, i get to explain this geometry tabbo and members get a chance to meet/ greet and eat, in fact Sept 26th we have Supercar Sunday meet with a few million pounds worth of cars attending, everyone is welcome.
Back about me....
I have taken on the might of Merc, BMW, Mazda, Lexus, Honda and so on when they have got it wrong, never had to challenge VW though!! I arbitrate for Peugeot Uk and Vauxhall UK but so far never agreed in their favor.
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Hi and Welcome along... :driver:
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Welcome Tony :happy2:
the issue you talk about on the mk5 chassis rear end is not uncommon and can cause strange tyre wear on the edges of the rear tyres, sort of a blocking type thing, I've seen it on a few sets of wheels I have taken off mk5's/Leons etc
I look fwd to your chassis and set-up input as TC has already said, it does sometimes get over-looked in the quest for more power :evilgrin:
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As Gaz mentioned ..i bought my car new of vw and it wore the inner edges of my tyres in 10,000 miles,you ask the dealers and they say it is set correctly :fighting:
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The manufacturers settings are just a suggestion, not the law. We use our own settings on cars with historic problems, this is tested on research donor cars we continually monitor until we're happy with the wear pattern.
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The manufacturers settings are just a suggestion, not the law. We use our own settings on cars with historic problems, this is tested on research donor cars we continually monitor until we're happy with the wear pattern.
since i had my car lowered and it set up again the rear tyes are wearing spot on but i have just gone from 18" to 19" so i will have to watch them
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Excellent..... What guys and girls need to understand is if the car is modified you cannot use the OEM data? If done it essentially "de-tunes" the modification. Most domestic calibrations on the modified car borders the realm of tyre preservation, in truth there are two arenas "preservation and performance", finding the one in the middle is the holy grail of chassis calibration.
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Excellent..... What guys and girls need to understand is if the car is modified you cannot use the OEM data? If done it essentially "de-tunes" the modification. Most domestic calibrations on the modified car borders the realm of tyre preservation, in truth there are two arenas "preservation and performance", finding the one in the middle is the holy grail of chassis calibration.
Does this apply for a car running more power with std suspention setup, or do you mean, if its lowered, different Rim dimensions etc etc?
Useful info :happy2:
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What's the point of more power if the car cannot handle the twisties. If the intention is drag then happy days but if it's fast road hitting the load peddle then braking like a Micra owner on a Sunday drive "corner in" belays the point.
There's loads to explain, maybe i should open another thread but by design the cars chassis has a frequency and believe it or not it's tuned to our natural frequency, when the car is modified it needs to be calibrated to suit the owner and his/her intentions, in addition the tyre wear factor is examined......
My natural frequency is quite low so i would have problems driving a car like the Evo X, whereas someone like Button would say it handles like a bit of a donkey, this is not because he is a F1 driver, it's because he can cope with much more input "yaw" and he finds the car unresponsive.
The domestic car is setup to understeer, it's chassis positions encompass the boy/girl racer and grandma, it's in the manufacturers interest the car has a global inert handling package, some would argue the HP but think about it the HP is "available power" not handling, push that to the limit because you want to feel the HP and you get it wrong the car understeers.
Changing the chassis positions changes the tyres saturation limits..... your thinking WTF is he on about now?... Well that's another topic methinks.
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Another thread i feel would be as you say worth doing.
We've not had an in depth review on Setups to do with suspention Geometrys etc on here, so would be worth a good topic to Sticky.
Look foward to reading any input :happy2:
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Any idea where this should go?... The topic title is "chassis dynamics the real explanation". The reason i say chassis dynamics is this encompasses the actual chassis and the suspension dynamics, with a smattering of areodynamics.
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What's the point of more power if the car cannot handle the twisties. If the intention is drag then happy days but if it's fast road hitting the load peddle then braking like a Micra owner on a Sunday drive "corner in" belays the point.
There's loads to explain, maybe i should open another thread but by design the cars chassis has a frequency and believe it or not it's tuned to our natural frequency, when the car is modified it needs to be calibrated to suit the owner and his/her intentions, in addition the tyre wear factor is examined......
My natural frequency is quite low so i would have problems driving a car like the Evo X, whereas someone like Button would say it handles like a bit of a donkey, this is not because he is a F1 driver, it's because he can cope with much more input "yaw" and he finds the car unresponsive.
The domestic car is setup to understeer, it's chassis positions encompass the boy/girl racer and grandma, it's in the manufacturers interest the car has a global inert handling package, some would argue the HP but think about it the HP is "available power" not handling, push that to the limit because you want to feel the HP and you get it wrong the car understeers.
Changing the chassis positions changes the tyres saturation limits..... your thinking WTF is he on about now?... Well that's another topic methinks.
when i worked at my first garage he used to race a rally car and its the first thing he told me is if your buildind a car for the track get the handleing right first,the car we build first season was getting the chassie and handling right plus the brakes,i followed some of what you put :signLOL:
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How true.... If we brake it all down to the naked simple truth, the power gets you there, the brakes stop you crashing there and the handling gets you around there.
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Any idea where this should go?... The topic title is "chassis dynamics the real explanation". The reason i say chassis dynamics is this encompasses the actual chassis and the suspension dynamics, with a smattering of areodynamics.
Proberly somewhere in the tech workshop section... Workshop manuals are listed in there aswell. Maybe easiest to find from there or unless the Moderators prefer it in other. Imsure they'll move it to where they think.
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/board,35.0.html
Im sure the mods would then make it a sticky topic to remain for all to read at the top of the Workshop section :happy2:
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Thanks for that...... Here we go!
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welcome along! who owns the 430 there?? :)
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welcome along! who owns the 430 there?? :)
The director of developments owns the 430.
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Welcome matey!
Tried booking the Leon in with WiM on my way back to Germany but was on a super tight schedule.
Tony was very informative though :happy2:
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Welcome Tony! :drinking: