MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: chrishalfpenny on August 08, 2010, 08:35:57 am
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i pick my new dsg mk5 r32 next week and im thinking about taking it down vwr to get there big brake kit and to fit my kw v3. i really want it to be a bit of a track slag but still be comfortable ish on the roads, ive been considering the solid engine mounts since speaking to matt at vwr but i am still not sure. so what i would really like to know is what are they like? Do they make a massive difference? Are they worth doing? and finally whats the ride like after there fitted?
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I think I might be the only one with all 3 race mounts :evilgrin: and to be honest u can't move the engine at all no matter how hard u try or rev or abuse the car :driver:, if you don't want to hear every single noise from the engine and drive train then these are are no but if like me want to hear everything then go for it as they are cool and noisy. The brakes are awesome and have been running the first ever set on a road car for about 4 months ish and again no matter what anyone says about these brakes they don't know anything about them as they have never owned a set and my verdict is get em on asap :driver: so much bite and feel in the pedal and Uk made oh and tell Mat I told you to get the brakes :drinking:
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Oh and u will love the v3 too awesome coilovers
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he even has the vwr fleece :signLOL:
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I think I might be the only one with all 3 race mounts :evilgrin:
Sorry Matt but I think I beat you to it... I had all 3 solid race spec aluminium mounts installed by Mark at VWR March 2009 :P As for the ride, its true that it really does increase the noise level and you can feel the vibration as you move off. It amplifies all the sounds from the engine bay and because I have an EVOMS CAI, it sounds like I am sitting next to Darth Vader at times :grin: The transformation it gives to the handling and movement of the car is nothing short of astounding. No more wheel hop, the car just moves forward when you put your foot down with no lurching whether from standstill or driving on the motorway and turn the steering wheel left and right and you can see that the response had improved signficantly. I also have a non-resonated Milltek and that can get boomy at motorway speeds so I may change back to the resonated pipe but apart from that I am happy with it.
P.S. My wife has driven the car with our 1 year old and a 5 year old children in the car on long distance journeys - Ipswich to Birmingham - and around town and they are fine with it so stop being a wimp and get them :signLOL:
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Oh yeah I forgot u had them done :laugh: ok then I have done more miles on em then :P
he even has the vwr fleece :signLOL:
Love that fleece
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brilliant looks like ill get them as well then :happy2: the cars not my daily thats what the golf dervs for sooooo it should be alright, think i need to get it booked in asap lol just out of interest whats your opinion on brake colour red or blue the reason i say this is the r32 is red but they come with blue brakes from standard so i dont know whether to keep the brakes blue or to get the red ones to match the paint
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If its an R32 then I'd go with blue personally.
However, its your car so if you want red, then go for it - just never ever bring it to a show like that though :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
that last bit was a joke... :innocent:
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I've got the VWR 'Fast Road' full set of mounts and am extremely happy with them. Also, KW-V3's fitted and setup by VWR.
The ride is hard but not harsh and I love all the extra engine bay soundz.
Review: http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,6086.0.html
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cheers robin, and illyun i was thinking blue but wasnt sure if the red would look good against the blue :)
that last bit was a joke... :innocent:
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I think I might be the only one with all 3 race mounts :evilgrin:
Sorry Matt but I think I beat you to it... I had all 3 solid race spec aluminium mounts installed by Mark at VWR March 2009 :P As for the ride, its true that it really does increase the noise level and you can feel the vibration as you move off. It amplifies all the sounds from the engine bay and because I have an EVOMS CAI, it sounds like I am sitting next to Darth Vader at times :grin: The transformation it gives to the handling and movement of the car is nothing short of astounding. No more wheel hop, the car just moves forward when you put your foot down with no lurching whether from standstill or driving on the motorway and turn the steering wheel left and right and you can see that the response had improved signficantly. I also have a non-resonated Milltek and that can get boomy at motorway speeds so I may change back to the resonated pipe but apart from that I am happy with it.
P.S. My wife has driven the car with our 1 year old and a 5 year old children in the car on long distance journeys - Ipswich to Birmingham - and around town and they are fine with it so stop being a wimp and get them :signLOL:
No guys you are all wrong, i was the first in the world ever to get them, in fact i think i was the first in the universe, No i am wrong again i was the first to get them even before the big bang. :grin:
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The brakes are awesome and have been running the first ever set on a road car for about 4 months ish and again no matter what anyone says about these brakes they don't know anything about them as they have never owned a set and my verdict is get em on asap :driver: so much bite and feel in the pedal and Uk made oh and tell Mat I told you to get the brakes :drinking:
So how many problems have you had with them or how times have your brakes been back to VWR to be fixed / adjusted ?
Also these engine mounts, didn't one snap on your car?
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Hungry Dave :laugh:
As I have always said this site is designed to be independent and while me and the other moderators are here it will 100% remain so, this means there needs to be open and honest reporting/posting of the real experiences people have. :happy2:
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Hungry Dave :laugh:
As I have always said this site is designed to be independent and while me and the other moderators are here it will 100% remain so, this means there needs to be open and honest reporting/posting of the real experiences people have. :happy2:
Well said that man!
:congrats: :congrats: :congrats: :congrats:
To the OP, I had BSH uprated mounts on my Ed 30, and I absolutely hated them. The noise that is craved by some detracted from the overall feel of the GTi in my opinion.
Be prepared to loose some of the refined, jack of all trades nature of the GTi.
All the above is just my opinion, my review is below. I also felt as an engineer the BSH mounts were far better manufactured, again just my experienced qualified opinion.
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,9477.0.html (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,9477.0.html)
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Also these engine mounts, didn't one snap on your car?
Really?! Whats that about Mat? I'm getting paranoid about my mounts now :scared:
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To the OP, I had BSH uprated mounts on my Ed 30, and I absolutely hated them. The noise that is craved by some detracted from the overall feel of the GTi in my opinion.
Be prepared to loose some of the refined, jack of all trades nature of the GTi.
Not tried the BSH so I can't comment on those. However, I don't particularly like the extra noise, although for the handling improvement it has given me, I am happy to put up with it - although as I said I may compensate by getting shot of the non-res Miltek.
The car has definetely lost some of its jack of all trades nature from a certain perspective as it is now a lot harder and uncompromising package than standard. However, from another perspective, this is what makes the GTI such a versatile beast as it is relatively easy to mod and 'customise' to the kind of spec you want. I will be using the Ed30 as a weekend/show and track car when I return back to he UK and I plan on putting the galactic mileage that I do onto my Mk6 that arrives at the end of this month.
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Also these engine mounts, didn't one snap on your car?
Really?! Whats that about Mat? I'm getting paranoid about my mounts now :scared:
....Is this fact or rumour?
Either way, I've got faith in my VWR engine mounts and the support which VWR/RL give.
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To the OP, I had BSH uprated mounts on my Ed 30, and I absolutely hated them. The noise that is craved by some detracted from the overall feel of the GTi in my opinion.
Be prepared to loose some of the refined, jack of all trades nature of the GTi.
Not tried the BSH so I can't comment on those. However, I don't particularly like the extra noise, although for the handling improvement it has given me, I am happy to put up with it - although as I said I may compensate by getting shot of the non-res Miltek.
The car has definetely lost some of its jack of all trades nature from a certain perspective as it is now a lot harder and uncompromising package than standard. However, from another perspective, this is what makes the GTI such a versatile beast as it is relatively easy to mod and 'customise' to the kind of spec you want.
....As reported on this forum, BSH, VF, or VWR, harder engine mounts will transfer sounds and (very minor in my experience of 'Fast Road' mounts) vibrations to the cabin - You don't have to be a qualified engineer to realise or understand that. And of course not everybody likes that. But as illyun says, the GTI can be modified, or not, to the owner's individual taste and there's been a tradition of doing so for 30 years.
This public forum is a rich source of information and each of us can choose according to our individual preferences.
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To the OP, I had BSH uprated mounts on my Ed 30, and I absolutely hated them. The noise that is craved by some detracted from the overall feel of the GTi in my opinion.
Be prepared to loose some of the refined, jack of all trades nature of the GTi.
Not tried the BSH so I can't comment on those. However, I don't particularly like the extra noise, although for the handling improvement it has given me, I am happy to put up with it - although as I said I may compensate by getting shot of the non-res Miltek.
The car has definetely lost some of its jack of all trades nature from a certain perspective as it is now a lot harder and uncompromising package than standard. However, from another perspective, this is what makes the GTI such a versatile beast as it is relatively easy to mod and 'customise' to the kind of spec you want.
....As reported on this forum, BSH, VF, or VWR, harder engine mounts will transfer sounds and (very minor in my experience of 'Fast Road' mounts) vibrations to the cabin - You don't have to be a qualified engineer to realise or understand that. And of course not everybody likes that. But as illyun says, the GTI can be modified to the owner's individual taste and there's been a tradition of doing that for 30 years.
This site is a rich source of information and each of us can choose according to our individual preferences.
Agreed RR, and open and honest long may it remain.
The hard mounts will invariably stress other areas, such as inner wings etc. when I fitted mine, I torqued them up several times when fitting and when taking them off after miles few, 2 of the bolts were loose. I recommend using a decent (not the cheapest) thread locking agent or check torquing the bolts periodically.
The noise produced is actually a vibration that will have an increased wear affect, it will reduce the fatigue life of welds, hard mounted components etc, and if you do fit them, keep a weather eye on other components.
Remember if you decide to leave the well trodden standard path, expect an increased maintenance burden, periodic checks, and reduced life of other hard mounted components.
Upgrade one area, and you will eventually had to upgrade the next........
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The hard mounts will invariably stress other areas, such as inner wings etc. when I fitted mine, I torqued them up several times when fitting and when taking them off after miles few, 2 of the bolts were loose. I recommend using a decent (not the cheapest) thread locking agent or check torquing the bolts periodically.
The noise produced is actually a vibration that will have an increased wear affect, it will reduce the fatigue life of welds, hard mounted components etc, and if you do fit them, keep a weather eye on other components.
Remember if you decide to leave the well trodden standard path, expect an increased maintenance burden, periodic checks, and reduced life of other hard mounted components.
Upgrade one area, and you will eventually had to upgrade the next........
I can see the point you are making Stokeballoon, but what about the engine movement with standard mounts... surely that causes wear to other parts? While I am not an engineer, it seems to me that there is a trade-off and compromise involved whether you have a standard set-up or a modified one. Obviously VW have engineered their package to provide an acceptable driving experience for the GTI market and if thats what most people are happy with, thats fine. Also, while I am sure that the VW setup has a longer shelf life than an aftermarket modified one - although exactly to what extent I am not sure and that depends how far you want to go - the issue is not black and white because for example, you might go back to the standard mounts thus relieving stress from vibrations etc... but then reintroduing engine flex also comes with its own issues and puts stress on other parts.
VW Driver magazine have a Mk4 track car that has covered over 250,000 without major issues - until the engine blew recently :evilgrin: - and that is a heavily tracked car. I wonder how much longer it would have gone without the mods and 'abuse' - 300,000 miles? I can't really see that modding would reduce the shelf-life of a car from say 300,000 miles (and who really keeps their car for that long or does that many miles) to say, less than 100,000 miles which would represent a significant risk if it were the case. Also, there are many other factors involved such as care regime - a standard car would also have a reduced shelf life if not taken care of - and people who tend to modify their cars generally are more conscious about the level and quality of maintenance it recieves.
So I can understand that someone may have not personally like a mod for whatever reason, but I don't think its simple as assuming that a mod will only cause stress to the existing set-up without comparing it to the reciprocal benefits in terms of freeing other components from other types of stress. However, saying all that, I do have a bit of a gripe with people who write up before and after mod reports and do not mention the negatives that come with the package, only for you to find out when you do it yourself :fighting:
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If looked after (ie a decent care regime) decent upgraded parts will last just as long. However you first need to be aware of this extra care required.
A race car does not have a standard road going off the shelf shell. I also agree that a review should be warts and all.
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Good advice, Dave :happy2:
I'll get my bolts chequed on my next 10k mile service (not too far away).
Personally I always try and include any 'warts' in my reviews, and certainly any negatives as I see them. Often the warts aren't evident until after significant mileage.
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I'll get my bolts chequed on my next 10k mile service (not too far away).
I think thats sensible... I'll be doing the same too next year :happy2:
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I think I might be the only one with all 3 race mounts :evilgrin:
Sorry Matt but I think I beat you to it... I had all 3 solid race spec aluminium mounts installed by Mark at VWR March 2009 :P As for the ride, its true that it really does increase the noise level and you can feel the vibration as you move off. It amplifies all the sounds from the engine bay and because I have an EVOMS CAI, it sounds like I am sitting next to Darth Vader at times :grin: The transformation it gives to the handling and movement of the car is nothing short of astounding. No more wheel hop, the car just moves forward when you put your foot down with no lurching whether from standstill or driving on the motorway and turn the steering wheel left and right and you can see that the response had improved signficantly. I also have a non-resonated Milltek and that can get boomy at motorway speeds so I may change back to the resonated pipe but apart from that I am happy with it.
P.S. My wife has driven the car with our 1 year old and a 5 year old children in the car on long distance journeys - Ipswich to Birmingham - and around town and they are fine with it so stop being a wimp and get them :signLOL:
No guys you are all wrong, i was the first in the world ever to get them, in fact i think i was the first in the universe, No i am wrong again i was the first to get them even before the big bang. :grin:
I'm pretty sure Chuck Norris had these first?
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I think I might be the only one with all 3 race mounts :evilgrin:
Sorry Matt but I think I beat you to it... I had all 3 solid race spec aluminium mounts installed by Mark at VWR March 2009 :P As for the ride, its true that it really does increase the noise level and you can feel the vibration as you move off. It amplifies all the sounds from the engine bay and because I have an EVOMS CAI, it sounds like I am sitting next to Darth Vader at times :grin: The transformation it gives to the handling and movement of the car is nothing short of astounding. No more wheel hop, the car just moves forward when you put your foot down with no lurching whether from standstill or driving on the motorway and turn the steering wheel left and right and you can see that the response had improved signficantly. I also have a non-resonated Milltek and that can get boomy at motorway speeds so I may change back to the resonated pipe but apart from that I am happy with it.
P.S. My wife has driven the car with our 1 year old and a 5 year old children in the car on long distance journeys - Ipswich to Birmingham - and around town and they are fine with it so stop being a wimp and get them :signLOL:
No guys you are all wrong, i was the first in the world ever to get them, in fact i think i was the first in the universe, No i am wrong again i was the first to get them even before the big bang. :grin:
I'm pretty sure Chuck Norris had these first?
No that can't be right as I saw Mr Norris come in and ask Mark at VWR about them after I had mine fitted. :innocent:
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No that can't be right as I saw Mr Norris come in and ask Mark at VWR about them after I had mine fitted. :innocent:
What illyun failed to mention is that Chuck Norries was so peeved off at him, he roundhouse kicked illyun's car and the engine mounts flew off and landed on Chuck's car.
This is also why illyun's car suffers from problems. It still hasn't recovered from the devastating effect of Chuck Norris. :grin: :grin: :grin:
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Slightly OT but -
Robin i need a ride in your car at the JKM RR day in Sept as i need to see what these mount's sound like and the coilover's feel like before i decide if i want them or not :happy2:
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Slightly OT but -
Robin i need a ride in your car at the JKM RR day in Sept as i need to see what these mount's sound like and the coilover's feel like before i decide if i want them or not :happy2:
....I'd be delighted to oblige :happy2:
Btw, the DD day is October 9th: http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,15796.0.html
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Also these engine mounts, didn't one snap on your car?
Really?! Whats that about Mat? I'm getting paranoid about my mounts now :scared:
....Is this fact or rumour?
Either way, I've got faith in my VWR engine mounts and the support which VWR/RL give.
That is a fact Robin, mine has snapped again that makes it 2.
I think its because i dont have the side mounts which hold the engine better.
Its not the actual vwr bit thats snaps, its the dogbone bar that connects to the vwr bit and the engine.
Getting the vwr lower subframe bit taken out for a THS density mount very soon, ie this weekend. So there may be one going in the for sale section for around £100 :happy2:
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Robin i need a ride in your car at the JKM RR day in Sept as i need to see what these mount's sound like and the coilover's feel like before i decide if i want them or not :happy2:
....I'd be delighted to oblige :happy2:
Btw, the DD day is October 9th: http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,15796.0.html
I meant Oct was just checking you were paying attention :innocent:
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That is a fact Robin, mine has snapped again that makes it 2.
I think its because i dont have the side mounts which hold the engine better.
Its not the actual vwr bit thats snaps, its the dogbone bar that connects to the vwr bit and the engine.
....This supports what Dave (stokeballoon) is saying: That one mod can have a knock-on effect.. In your case only having the bottom mount (which is the one which has the most benefit in helping get power down on the road.
I tend to think that it's best to have a full set of three engine mounts when aftermarket. Dave can either correct me or expand but I reckon the stresses/vibrations are more evenly spread and better absorbed.
I've got a BSH dogbone bar on mine.
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Yeah i would agree on that, if i had all three theres no way in hell that engine is going to move at all and therefore it wont be snapping engine mounts.
Im swapping mine for the THS mount for some nice peace and quite for a while and longer life of the dogbone bit and most likely some side mounts in the near future :smiley:.
But the OP wont have any issues if hes getting all Three mounts even if the side ones arent the solid version i still think hed be fine just aslong as he uprates them to the VWR fast road or BSH etc.
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ok guys , someone going to post a pic of a failed dogbone arm?
The dogbone only really undergoes compression and tension not side to side forces so Im surprised if it is snapping.
Although Im not surprised as I run just the VWR lower mount and still see a lot of movement. (my side mounts are definitely goosed though)
I can see how the BSH arm would be better as its machined rather than cast so the inherent strength may be better but other than taht Im surprised.
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For what it's worth, I know that VWR run their full set of 'Race' mounts on the cars they prepare for the VW Cup Series and with the OEM dogbone bar and with no problems I've heard of. Race cars are put under greater stresses than road cars albeit being more often stripped down and with replacement parts, but not all parts replaced. They use OEM droplinks too.