MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Performance Modifications => Topic started by: nc35 on August 15, 2010, 10:51:34 pm
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Hi All
Well resisted for a year, but I am on the slippery slope.
From what I have read the APR map seems to be the way I want to go.
The seem to be a little less agressive than the revo and probably more suited to my driving.
I also like the idea you can use the cruise for changing maps. Plus based at Awseome which isn't too far and only ever gets rave reviews.
But this seems like a Revo site.
So few APR reviews.
Any thoughts pls???
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PM any questions about Apr, bit busy tonight but will give you my thoughts and opinions tommorow.
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Another happy Apr stage 2+ customer here :happy2:
You may not get the highest peak numbers with Apr but it is a very smooth map
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APR produce a very high quality smooth map and IMO is the leaders for VAG tuning....VW Motorsport have a very strong relationship with them too.
Good for switheable maps on the cruise too.
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from the graphs ive seen posted, their power and torque curves all seem to have dips in the midrange
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When I was choosing who to go with my decision boiled down between APR and REVO as well. Both companies have put a lot of R&D into their maps so you can't go wrong with either to be honest.
I think the statement "REVO is more aggressive than APR" is untrue. The REVO map can be tweaked to be as passive or aggressive as you like with the Select Plus.
Personally I decided to go with REVO because of larger adjustability it gave me with the Select Plus. I also feel that REVO gives you scope for a larger range of HW mods than APR. APR maps are only tested with APR HW and I have heard of some issues when people try to run different HW with APR maps.
If you are not that bothered about having the extra adjustability of the Select Plus and are planning to use APR HW for any extra mods in the future then APR is the way to go :happy2:. The cruise switching certainly is a very nice feature.
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I Have an APR stage 1 , had it done by Awesome , was a long way to travel but worth it . I also done hours and hours of reading , and got it down to 2 for me ( revo / APR ) before I made me decision.
Good move , which either of the 2 you use .
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When I was choosing who to go with my decision boiled down between APR and REVO as well. Both companies have put a lot of R&D into their maps so you can't go wrong with either to be honest.
I think the statement "REVO is more aggressive than APR" is untrue. The REVO map can be tweaked to be as passive or aggressive as you like with the Select Plus.
Personally I decided to go with REVO because of larger adjustability it gave me with the Select Plus. I also feel that REVO gives you scope for a larger range of HW mods than APR. APR maps are only tested with APR HW and I have heard of some issues when people try to run different HW with APR maps.
If you are not that bothered about having the extra adjustability of the Select Plus and are planning to use APR HW for any extra mods in the future then APR is the way to go :happy2:. The cruise switching certainly is a very nice feature.
My MKIV was the first UK MKIV Golf that APR used their stage 2 files on some years ago. They already developed stage 2 for the US cars but on my arrival at Awesome Jim stayed until midnight with me whilst APR perfected the stage 2 file on my MKIV which incidently was an AUM 1.8T running Miltek DP zorst and Intercooler.
The map was super smooth but maxed the potential of the car without sacrificing longevity of the turbo etc. This was bourne out when we stripped it off the car at 100k when I went APR Stage 3+.
We examined the KO3s which had been APR mapped from nearly new when we bought the car....that says alot about APR's tuning philosophy IMO. They certainly got their 1.8T maps bang on.
My ED30 on stage 2 was again super smooth but I never noticed any flat spots in the mid range just lots of smooth grunt all the way to the top with APR pump and RSC fitted.
Their stage 2 and 3 in the MK6 is supposedly very very good according to the reviews..
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I Have an APR stage 1 , had it done by Awesome , was a long way to travel but worth it . I also done hours and hours of reading , and got it down to 2 for me ( revo / APR ) before I made me decision.
Good move , which either of the 2 you use .
What was the deciding factor for you?
If you don't mind :smiley:
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however both APR and REVO are still both slightly tweakable generic maps. why not give jabbasport a chance to do a full custom map for your car.
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Hi,
you open a can of worms discussing remaps on any forum and often its difficult to determine the wood from the trees as everyone says 'my map is best' :signLOL:
depends on what car you have, looks like a K03 GTI from your profile, in which case my advice would be different.
K03 GTI : go REVO ,I dont think the APR tune for the smaller turbo gives as agood results
K04 GTI (Edition 30/Pirelli) : APR or REVO both good. headline figures for stg2+ cars definitely better for REVO.
APR dyno midrange boost dip (for stg1 cars at least) is to stop compressor surge which APR believe happens, REVO dont
my ed30 APR stg1 review is http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,3567.0.html
works perfectly for me. cruise control stalk + switching is a huge plus. As it turns out i havent modded any further for a while so non adjustability hasnt been an issue.
depends on your location to the nearest REVO/APR dealer too :happy2:
ability to adjust params on the REVO switch is really nice, and works briiliantly for stg2+ cars (fuel pump/map/etc)
Cars have a lot of variance (sensors etc) so this means you can tweak it up or down to sort your car.
are you manual or DSG box? as REVO may have the edge if you have DSG then you can get a matched software set for only 1 supplier (engine and dsg maps :laugh:)
still worth considering other tuners as they may have advanatges for you too. but in general they dont give as good results or have had as much testing! Superchips handset works well if you are distant from a tuner and want to do it all online.
I would stick with APR or REVO though :happy2:
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REVO for me, but if i were to choose, id seriously be looking at GIAC as another contender! :happy2:
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Some good people to have a chat with about this would be JKM. They supply both APR and REVO and have real world experience with both on the MK5 platform.
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Thank you for all your answers.
Yep I have an AXX K03 only mod is a panel filter. All my cars/bikes get a panel filter. But that's just me.
I live in Leeds but seem to be spending more and more time working in Manchester.
Gone for the APR trial. Which seems really good, better than the REVO K03 I drove.
Would there be any problems getting a revo trial now?
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nice one :happy2:
surprised , must have been something wrong with the REVO K03 you drove then :grin:
APR is still great software (I run APR FFS :signLOL:)
YES , if you get a trial , you need to get flashed back to full stock VW software (NOT stock like!) either by the trial supplier or by VW BEFORE getting another trial.
Otherwise it can and does cause issues...
If you decide to stick with APR and get the full version then there is no problem :happy2:
If you are over in Manchester come over say hi to me and a few of the Cheshire posse :happy2:
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In Manchester now!!!
Great weather lol.
REVO needed to have commitment (heavy foot) else it felt a little like stock APR just seems to come in sooner and smoother.
Think I have answered my own questions now. :smiley:
Not chasing any figures just want a little more grunt for everyday driving.
Should have added car is DSG too
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nice one enjoy :happy2:
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I'm going APR Stage 2 on RS4 very soon.
I was considering a MK6 and going down this road but I fancy a change.
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ive seen the difference a stage 1 shark performance made on an S4 map and that was impressive so id love to see what a stage 2remapped RS4 goes like
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in my experience, apr like to do work with there own stuff, revo are just a software company so they are more open minded.
if your using apr stage 3 parts then apr stage 3 map would suit you best.
if your going to an atp gt3071r kit with various other manufacturers bits and bobs, you'd be better off with revo.
i have personally used revo before and they are good guys and can't fault the software in any way :)
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The thing that is drawing me towards APR is the use of the CC stalk and the way the car now pulls from low revs. Thought it was good before :smiley:
The Revo reports and the K03 golf I drove are nothing like this, and from what I understand from Dyno graphs they are more power higher end. But I can't seem to find an APR graph...
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Running APR Stage 2 on my Mk5 with Carbonio intake and APR RSC exhaust. It gives a good smooth power delivery, plus it also sounds the mutts nuts! :happy2:
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The thing that is drawing me towards APR is the use of the CC stalk and the way the car now pulls from low revs. Thought it was good before :smiley:
The Revo reports and the K03 golf I drove are nothing like this, and from what I understand from Dyno graphs they are more power higher end. But I can't seem to find an APR graph...
this is why my choice was between shark performance and REVO as id seen graphs for and driven both. couldnt find a k03 GTI APR dynoo graph or review from the UK. only the yanks who were making 400Hp from their stage 1 remaps :grin:
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are you manual or DSG box? as REVO may have the edge if you have DSG then you can get a matched software set for only 1 supplier (engine and dsg maps :laugh:)
I can confirm that the DSG map is just amazing. The power is immense, to say that all I have is Stage1 with no other power mods at all. So far, when I have had a chance to put my foot down, It just pulls and pulls and pulls. I waited for the power to drop off, but instead I have either run out of road or bottled it when looked at the speedo.
Touch the pedal lightly, and the car is super smooth :innocent:, but plant your foot down, and hold on to the steering wheel!!! :evilgrin: (again totally smooth)
All I can say is that the Revo I have has totally transformed my car, and now I feel like I am never gonna sell it. It is FAR FAR better than I ever imagined Stage1 would ever be :happy2:
.........I might have been just as blown away with the APR map. I don't know mate. It needs to be amazing if it is Revo's competition. :wink:
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the point about having a DSG map is that it removes the OE function that backs the power off as you near the redline :surprised:, so with no other engine changes just fitting a DSG map alone is going to feel like youve gained xx bhp (because you have :signLOL:) at higher rpm.
so stg1 map AND DSG map = a double whammy of power increase (for a DSG car that is) :pomppomp:
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you shoud never believe graphs ! that's the first thing.
all dyno runs are done on WOT and in day to day driving it is much more important how the car acts on half throttle as well.
i am an APR man myself , but to be honest , both companies have had years to perfect their software for this platform , so both should be good.
APR has a huge advantage if you use their hardware as well (HPFP , Carbonio , Exhaust) since the software was optimized for that hardware specifically and will give better results than a generic software.
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It's swings versus roundabouts. Both Revo and APR are very good.. It's all already been said what the advantages of each are.
Don't forget that each modded car is different and has different hardware mods which influence things.
I have Revo2 with RevoDSG on K03.. Am very happy indeed for my style of driving.
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Well APR it is.
Had the full fat map put on today and the car is just what I want. Really smooth and huge amounts of power when you press the loud pedal.
Revo was too harsh. Felt a little all or nothing in traffic.
Love the cruise control options too.
Good and bad. £400 offer at Awesome at the moment. Bad road tests but no rollin road dyno.
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I think it's mostly Revo customers on here TBH.
There are many APR customers out there...many on Seatcupra.net
I had APR Stage 1 AND 2 with APR HPFP and RSC exhaust on my ED30...great combo with the cruise.
The map is super smooth.
Now back in a 200BHP MK2 16V !!...with diif / shorten FD and more...it's quicker on track which is the reason I got the car back....I /TSR built it 7 yrs ago...in VW Driver in a couple of months.
Back to maps...they are both good maps I'm sure but the cruise option and the R&D by APR swung it for me.
The MK5 needs serious money thrown at it for track work being that much heavier and the need to cool everything down ie FMIC and brakes as well as the usual stuff hence why the MK2 Golf is serious value as a track weapon...MK5 is a very good road car though.
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The MK5 needs serious money thrown at it for track work being that much heavier and the need to cool everything down ie FMIC and brakes as well as the usual stuff hence why the MK2 Golf is serious value as a track weapon...MK5 is a very good road car though.
....So true! I kinda enjoy my slightly compromised hybrid though - Fast road but occasional track though not on the absolute limit in either case. Also why I've stayed at Stage 2 remap.
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The MK5 needs serious money thrown at it for track work being that much heavier and the need to cool everything down ie FMIC and brakes as well as the usual stuff hence why the MK2 Golf is serious value as a track weapon...MK5 is a very good road car though.
....So true! I kinda enjoy my slightly compromised hybrid though - Fast road but occasional track though not on the absolute limit in either case. Also why I've stayed at Stage 2 remap.
It's a shame they cost so much to mod now that parts are so expensive...just been looking at suspension prices!!I
I could have easily spent another 6K on my Ed 30 ie Brakes , diff, tyres , ARB's and tyres ie Inters (18 inches)
It's wasn't viable/affordable and I knew my target lap times needed this investment to achieve them...my MK2 was already there!