MK5 Golf GTI
General => Random Chat => Topic started by: Sunglasses Ron on August 25, 2010, 12:56:18 pm
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http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-video/fastest-car-video/
Intersting vid and just watch the Porker off the line against the GTR :surprised: :surprised: :surprised: No wonder Evo mag managed a 2.9 0-60 in it, JESUS!!!
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holy sh!t. bye bye. look at the brakes on the merc, bloody huge
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That 911 is rapid off the line.
For me I'd still have the GTR.
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the 911 is rapid, but has the PDK launch control, ours doesnt have it unfortunatly! :sad1:
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fooooook , where did the porsche go? :signLOL: technology at its finest
nobles impressive and nearly keeps up on launch with porsche even though its only 2wd and silly bhp/ton.
noble sans the venom wheels for me please :happy2:
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Not quite the fastest but I decided before seeing the shootout that I'd choose the Porsche however 'slow' it was going to be.
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Porker for me too please :happy2:
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I recently said im not a big fan of Porsche but that was mighty impressive. Still dont like that Merc :ashamed:
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I recently said im not a big fan of Porsche but that was mighty impressive. Still dont like that Merc :ashamed:
Love the front (and the anchors on it :drool:), it's just that ass :sick: Bit like the Mrs really.. :wink:
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have you seen the merc amg in the flesh and heard one as i have and the sound awesome :evilgrin: even on tickover
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Porsche Porsche PORSCHE!!!!! :jumping:
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have you seen the merc amg in the flesh and heard one as i have and the sound awesome :evilgrin: even on tickover
True Mat, saw a few at the ring, the sound when they downshift at high speed is like nothing else :drool: :drool: :drool:
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have you seen the merc amg in the flesh and heard one as i have and the sound awesome :evilgrin: even on tickover
Yep, there's some lucky b*****d been passing Statllers in one. Does sound good, does look good, does go well, but the Porker still gets my vote. :happy2:
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porsche all day long for me too :notworthy: its the only car for me if i had the cash :sad1:
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Rumour has it this is Jonny C's next car too.. Imagine what they would be capable of when mods are applied? :surprised: Build thread anyone? :party:
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Rumour has it this is Jonny C's next car too.. Imagine what they would be capable of when mods are applied? :surprised: Build thread anyone? :party:
Just speak to Steve Jr at Statllers, he' knows their capabilities. Turbo swap to Ickle itty bitty turbo's that are just a little bigger than the stock ickle ones will give you 750bhp and still zero lag. Larger turbo's give 900bhp+, but Steve says they are laggier and not as fast lower down. I know what my car feels like with an extra 100bhp, so gawd knows what 200+ extra horsies would be like :laugh:
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i keep telling you john 993 turbo :evilgrin:
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Rumour has it this is Jonny C's next car too.. Imagine what they would be capable of when mods are applied? :surprised: Build thread anyone? :party:
Just speak to Steve Jr at Statllers, he' knows their capabilities. Turbo swap to Ickle itty bitty turbo's that are just a little bigger than the stock ickle ones will give you 750bhp and still zero lag. Larger turbo's give 900bhp+, but Steve says they are laggier and not as fast lower down. I know what my car feels like with an extra 100bhp, so gawd knows what 200+ extra horsies would be like :laugh:
You think they'd be quick, how about these 2 monsters.. :drool: :drool: :drool:
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have you seen the merc amg in the flesh and heard one as i have and the sound awesome :evilgrin: even on tickover
Yep, there's some lucky b*****d been passing Statllers in one. Does sound good, does look good, does go well, but the Porker still gets my vote. :happy2:
wasn't a red one was it?
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I'd like to see the Porsche v GTR again but on a rolling start as this takes the Launch Control out of the equation.
I reckon it would be a lot closer than it was as the GTR driver seemed to bog down on the line before getting away.
That Porsche was damn quick though :happy2:
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have you seen the merc amg in the flesh and heard one as i have and the sound awesome :evilgrin: even on tickover
Yep, there's some lucky b*****d been passing Statllers in one. Does sound good, does look good, does go well, but the Porker still gets my vote. :happy2:
wasn't a red one was it?
No, deep grey colour :happy2:
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I'd like to see the Porsche v GTR again but on a rolling start as this takes the Launch Control out of the equation.
I reckon it would be a lot closer than it was as the GTR driver seemed to bog down on the line before getting away.
That Porsche was damn quick though :happy2:
GTR doesnt stand a chance against a 997 turbo PDK let alone a turbo s from rolling start. Plenty of vids on youtube :happy2:
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I'd like to see the Porsche v GTR again but on a rolling start as this takes the Launch Control out of the equation.
I reckon it would be a lot closer than it was as the GTR driver seemed to bog down on the line before getting away.
That Porsche was damn quick though :happy2:
GTR doesnt stand a chance against a 997 turbo PDK let alone a turbo s from rolling start. Plenty of vids on youtube :happy2:
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I'd like to see the Porsche v GTR again but on a rolling start as this takes the Launch Control out of the equation.
I reckon it would be a lot closer than it was as the GTR driver seemed to bog down on the line before getting away.
That Porsche was damn quick though :happy2:
GTR doesnt stand a chance against a 997 turbo PDK let alone a turbo s from rolling start. Plenty of vids on youtube :happy2:
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Thats the one, there are even vids of tiptronic 997 turbos beating the GTR :grin:
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Bloody he'll I knew the porsche was quicker but not that quick.
But seeing as the GTR is £60k cheaper than a Turbo S I know which I'd have :happy2:
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Bloody he'll I knew the porsche was quicker but not that quick.
But seeing as the GTR is £60k cheaper than a Turbo S I know which I'd have :happy2:
The clever money goes on a used 997Turbo, as to run a GTR costs roughly 80% more a year at 12,00 miles a year.
Plus everytime you track the GTR it has to have a service straight away, and everything is logged in the ECU.
Running a porsche isnt much more expensive than a GTI, a GTR however is stupid expensive and in the leagues of the exotica.
GTR is a scam, I found this out when I too thought 60k is cheap for the perfomance and I should buy one, they arent cheap at all, nissan is just cheating to make everything how great they are when really the 911 is still a much better car.
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I wouldn't be buying the car to track it though.
It would also take a lot of mileage to use up £60k of advantage. Even if I cost twice as much to run you would get at least 10 years out of it by which time you would have changed cars anyway.
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I wouldn't be buying the car to track it though.
It would also take a lot of mileage to use up £60k of advantage. Even if I cost twice as much to run you would get at least 10 years out of it by which time you would have changed cars anyway.
Thats sorta beside the point though. If you have the earning power to afford a 120k car you will buy the one your heart desires the most.
If you have the earning power however to buy a 60k car, you might not be able to afford the additional running costs that are closer to that of a 350k car. So in the case of the GTR buying it is one thing, but running it is another. Certainly why I have a deposit on a TTRS and not a GTR.
Plus nissan see the GTR box as a consumable, and we all know those arent cheap. Geabox oil change every 4500 miles, against the porsche 90,000 miles :stupid:
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Anyone who buys a car and doesn't look at running costs is a bit stupid though. Its something you take into account when you buy it. Or at least I do. I wouldn't buy a car I couldn't afford to run and I doubt many people do.
So it is entirely the point that you would take a long time to use up the £60k advantage.
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Anyone who buys a car and doesn't look at running costs is a bit stupid though. Its something you take into account when you buy it. Or at least I do. I wouldn't buy a car I couldn't afford to run and I doubt many people do.
So it is entirely the point that you would take a long time to use up the £60k advantage.
So a year or two old 997 turbo it is :happy2:
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If I was spending £60k on a used car it would be a Aston Martin. :happy2:
Otherwise for £60k I would be buying a brand new C63 AMG :P
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As capable as the GTR is, I could never own one. They just don't do it for me in anyway, everytime I see one on the road I never get the 'have to own one of those' feeling, I think they are fugly as hell! A 997 Turbo on the other hand :drool: :drool: :drool:
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If I was spending £60k on a used car it would be a Aston Martin. :happy2:
Otherwise for £60k I would be buying a brand new C63 AMG :P
C63 AMG :party: :party: :party: :party:
2nd choice to the TTRS for me. Now from 35k used. 46k gets a new one. Im just too young for that yet buttt :drool: :drool: :drool:
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If I was spending £60k on a used car it would be a Aston Martin. :happy2:
Otherwise for £60k I would be buying a brand new C63 AMG :P
i agree, all the porsches are ugly and are too common.
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Porker hands down.
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As capable as the GTR is, I could never own one. They just don't do it for me in anyway, everytime I see one on the road I never get the 'have to own one of those' feeling, I think they are fugly as hell! A 997 Turbo on the other hand :drool: :drool: :drool:
.... x 2 :happy2:
And as for the sound of a Porsche :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
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Got to disagree with sound Robin.
A flat six turbo sounds nice but compared to the 6.2 V8 in the AMG then the Merc wins hands down everytime for me :drool: :drool: :drool:
Remember there is no replacement for displacement when it comes to sound imo :happy2:
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I agree about the Merc V8 AMG sound, Carl - I should have made it clear I was comparing with the Nissan GTR. :happy2:
I particularly love that very deep Merc sound.
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Ahhhhh in that case i agree Robin :happy2:
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its a pukka drifting machine too that C63.
still don't like the interior of the Mercs tho.
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its a pukka drifting machine too that C63.
still don't like the interior of the Mercs tho.
Yeah gotta agree with that, been for a spirited drive in a C63, the engine is a masterpiece and my god is it tail happy.......but the interior is absolutely awful for a £50k car :sick: :sick:
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As capable as the GTR is, I could never own one. They just don't do it for me in anyway, everytime I see one on the road I never get the 'have to own one of those' feeling, I think they are fugly as hell! A 997 Turbo on the other hand :drool: :drool: :drool:
I concur!
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As capable as the GTR is, I could never own one. They just don't do it for me in anyway, everytime I see one on the road I never get the 'have to own one of those' feeling, I think they are fugly as hell! A 997 Turbo on the other hand :drool: :drool: :drool:
.... x 2 :happy2:
And as for the sound of a Porsche :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
On full chat, yeah. Anything under 4k and they sound like a technician has left his 13mm spanner inside the engine..
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I wouldn't be buying the car to track it though.
It would also take a lot of mileage to use up £60k of advantage. Even if I cost twice as much to run you would get at least 10 years out of it by which time you would have changed cars anyway.
Thats sorta beside the point though. If you have the earning power to afford a 120k car you will buy the one your heart desires the most.
If you have the earning power however to buy a 60k car, you might not be able to afford the additional running costs that are closer to that of a 350k car. So in the case of the GTR buying it is one thing, but running it is another. Certainly why I have a deposit on a TTRS and not a GTR.
Plus nissan see the GTR box as a consumable, and we all know those arent cheap. Geabox oil change every 4500 miles, against the porsche 90,000 miles :stupid:
Imagine the bill for this then.. :scared:
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Isnt that one of the early ones that people were trying to tinker with?
There is a company in America that has cracked the "un-Tuneable" ECU and apparently have a GT-R running at nearly 800whp and 754lb/ft
But they have uprated a lot of internals as well to cope.
Only took them 2 years to crack it :surprised:.
Apparently there is an ECU within the ECU and they both share the running of the car. The Inner ECU apparently being a bitch to crack. You also have to simultaneously map both ECU's or it FUBAR's :scared: :scared:
Imagine trying to explain that to the dealer :grin:
Edit found them - they are called COBB Tuning
COBB Tuning Time Attack GT-R (http://www.cobbtuning.com/info/?ID=5204)
So you could spend the £60k you save over the Turbo S and have this instead :P
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This is what a 585Bhp GT-R does to a 911 Turbo PDK
This is the same 585Bhp GT-R vs an 800Bhp GT-R
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Then of course you've got that P800 GTR vs the lower powered 997 of those 2 monsters I posted earlier in the thread :wink:
Mothered springs to mind.. :surprised:
It's a vicious circle :grin:
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This is what a 585Bhp GT-R does to a 911 Turbo PDK
This is the same 585Bhp GT-R vs an 800Bhp GT-R
The COBB GTRs are slower than the GTRS of other tuners.
But anyway.
997 Turbo Tiptronic 750hp VS Nissan GTR 800hp
And your GTR still gets smoked, by a less powerful car with a slushbox! GTR overrated.
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It's a vicious circle :grin:
That's for sure :happy2: :laugh:
The porsche does have 200bhp more though so i would expect it to do that :grin:
Thing is if i wanted outright speed i would just buy something like a specced up to the hilt Golf R for £40k throw £60k of the £80k i'd saved at it and that would muller near enough everything on the planet bar a few Hypercars.
For the record i wouldn't buy either car. The porsche just doesn't do it for me and the GTR is just too PS3.
For £123k i'd have:
Used:
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/Sales/1970029.htm
or
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/Sales/1369883.htm
New it would be
Loaded R8 V10 Spyder (£121k to the Spec i want)
Fully Loaded RS6 (£103k to the Spec i want)
Fully Loaded C63 AMG Estate with Performance Plus Pack (£63k to the Spec i want)
The C63 would more than likely be my choice as i would have 487bhp and that Awesome V8 sound coupled with ultimate luxury. Also apart from a few styling cue's and the quad exhausts it looks like any other Merc till it's too late. Plus it would be £40k cheaper than the RS6 and more for the others.
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997 Turbo Tiptronic 750hp VS Nissan GTR 800hp
And your GTR still gets smoked, by a less powerful car with a slushbox! GTR overrated.
Not in this one it doesn't :P
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I wouldn't say the GTR was overated Pov. I think it's probably more to do with the fact that it weighs a good 400kgs more than the Porker, which wouldn't help.. :wink:
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I wouldn't say the GTR was overated Pov. I think it's probably more to do with the fact that it weighs a good 400kgs more than the Porker, which wouldn't help.. :wink:
Weight difference between a turbo is roughly 200kgs
Its overrated because every bangs on about it being a bargain supercar and that its beaten porsche at their own game when in reality nissan arent exactly playing fair.
A stock GTR firstly puts out alot more power than they state, and 2ndly its cheap because nissan are subsiding the costs, but then are trying to recoup those costs through high servicing and parts costs. Then there is the whole issue of them being fragile and requiring TLC. The porka you can do 24hours at the ring and then drive it home without any special attention barring the consumables such as tyres, brakes and fluids.
The GTR is a bit like the Focus RS. The truth is slowely but surely coming out, they are both overrated.
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997 Turbo Tiptronic 750hp VS Nissan GTR 800hp
And your GTR still gets smoked, by a less powerful car with a slushbox! GTR overrated.
Not in this one it doesn't :P
Ahh the moscow unlim 500. IIRC a porsche has won that even 5 years on the trot. Wouldnt stand a chance against a equally tuned PDK that GTR.
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Hang on that's the same car you just showed in your previous video :confused:
After a mile unless my eyes are deceiving me the GT-R was in the lead despite being left behind on the line :confused:
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Hang on that's the same car you just showed in your previous video :confused:
After a mile unless my eyes are deceiving me the GT-R was in the lead despite being left behind on the line :confused:
The car in the vid you posted is a tiptronic. This is basically a fancy automatic porsche. A PDK 911 is a double clutch ie DSG like the GTR.
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I wouldn't say the GTR was overated Pov. I think it's probably more to do with the fact that it weighs a good 400kgs more than the Porker, which wouldn't help.. :wink:
Weight difference between a turbo is roughly 200kgs
Its overrated because every bangs on about it being a bargain supercar and that its beaten porsche at their own game when in reality nissan arent exactly playing fair.
A stock GTR firstly puts out alot more power than they state, and 2ndly its cheap because nissan are subsiding the costs, but then are trying to recoup those costs through high servicing and parts costs. Then there is the whole issue of them being fragile and requiring TLC. The porka you can do 24hours at the ring and then drive it home without any special attention barring the consumables such as tyres, brakes and fluids.
The GTR is a bit like the Focus RS. The truth is slowely but surely coming out, they are both overrated.
I thought the GTR was 1800kgs and Porker around 1400 (give or take).. Agree with the other bit though to a certain degree, although the GTR isn't solely fro straight lines remember. But the running costs are a joke though and heaven forbid you should have a knock in one.. :scared:
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I wouldn't say the GTR was overated Pov. I think it's probably more to do with the fact that it weighs a good 400kgs more than the Porker, which wouldn't help.. :wink:
Weight difference between a turbo is roughly 200kgs
Its overrated because every bangs on about it being a bargain supercar and that its beaten porsche at their own game when in reality nissan arent exactly playing fair.
A stock GTR firstly puts out alot more power than they state, and 2ndly its cheap because nissan are subsiding the costs, but then are trying to recoup those costs through high servicing and parts costs. Then there is the whole issue of them being fragile and requiring TLC. The porka you can do 24hours at the ring and then drive it home without any special attention barring the consumables such as tyres, brakes and fluids.
The GTR is a bit like the Focus RS. The truth is slowely but surely coming out, they are both overrated.
I thought the GTR was 1800kgs and Porker around 1400 (give or take).. Agree with the other bit though to a certain degree, although the GTR isn't solely fro straight lines remember. But the running costs are a joke though and heaven forbid you should have a knock in one.. :scared:
The turbos are around 1650kg. and the GTR roughly 1800kg.
Yeahh 11k for than minor knock :scared:
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I wouldn't say the GTR was overated Pov. I think it's probably more to do with the fact that it weighs a good 400kgs more than the Porker, which wouldn't help.. :wink:
Weight difference between a turbo is roughly 200kgs
Its overrated because every bangs on about it being a bargain supercar and that its beaten porsche at their own game when in reality nissan arent exactly playing fair.
A stock GTR firstly puts out alot more power than they state, and 2ndly its cheap because nissan are subsiding the costs, but then are trying to recoup those costs through high servicing and parts costs. Then there is the whole issue of them being fragile and requiring TLC. The porka you can do 24hours at the ring and then drive it home without any special attention barring the consumables such as tyres, brakes and fluids.
The GTR is a bit like the Focus RS. The truth is slowely but surely coming out, they are both overrated.
Actually…..
GT-R Weighs 2200Kg
Turbo Weighs 1595Kg
Turbo S Weighs 1585Kg
So it's quite a big difference of 600KG :surprised: Those weights were taken direct from the manufacturers UK Websites before you say they are wrong.
You can hardly say they are over rated. Lets take the Ring times for both cars. 7Min 40secs for Porsche vs 7Min 29secs for GT-R. 11 Secs is a big margin in performance terms.
But the price is still the issue. Im not talking about buying used. We are talking purely NEW cars. Then the GTR would make more sense as apart from a straight line it can pretty much live with if not beat a hell of a lot of cars (look at the Top Gear track board). Bonus being you save the £60k which accounts for the High running costs.
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I wouldn't say the GTR was overated Pov. I think it's probably more to do with the fact that it weighs a good 400kgs more than the Porker, which wouldn't help.. :wink:
Weight difference between a turbo is roughly 200kgs
Its overrated because every bangs on about it being a bargain supercar and that its beaten porsche at their own game when in reality nissan arent exactly playing fair.
A stock GTR firstly puts out alot more power than they state, and 2ndly its cheap because nissan are subsiding the costs, but then are trying to recoup those costs through high servicing and parts costs. Then there is the whole issue of them being fragile and requiring TLC. The porka you can do 24hours at the ring and then drive it home without any special attention barring the consumables such as tyres, brakes and fluids.
The GTR is a bit like the Focus RS. The truth is slowely but surely coming out, they are both overrated.
Actually…..
GT-R Weighs 2200Kg
Turbo Weighs 1595Kg
Turbo S Weighs 1585Kg
So it's quite a big difference of 600KG :surprised: Those weights were taken direct from the manufacturers UK Websites before you say they are wrong.
You can hardly say they are over rated. Lets take the Ring times for both cars. 7Min 40secs for Porsche vs 7Min 29secs for GT-R. 11 Secs is a big margin in performance terms.
But the price is still the issue. Im not talking about buying used. We are talking purely NEW cars. Then the GTR would make more sense as apart from a straight line it can pretty much live with if not beat a hell of a lot of cars (look at the Top Gear track board). Bonus being you save the £60k which accounts for the High running costs.
You cant seriously think the GTR weighs 2.2 tonnes.
Sorry but the figures are wrong.
Also the porsche figures, are they with driver and fluids, or without?
The ring times should be taken with a pinch of salt. No independant tester has got anywhere near the times Nissan claim, and alot of people who were at the ring state the GTR was running track tyres.
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GTR weighs 1740kg
Pdk Turbo weighs 1610kg.
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Ok have a look yourself then
Nissan GT-R
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fww275%2FTaufe%2FScreenshot2010-08-30at190718.png&hash=eed53ff908f3a2a14814b933c0e85b21e566d929)
Porsche Turbo (Right hand column for PDK)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fww275%2FTaufe%2FScreenshot2010-08-30at190751.png&hash=cfdd43763b8116c975deaa3c55cdaeeefa595c37)
Porsche Turbo S
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fww275%2FTaufe%2FScreenshot2010-08-30at190844.png&hash=ce72a5fb20f8206ccaac4848fd0b9a0242e4f08e)
The Unladen Weight (EG) Whatever that means is 55Kg higher
Just found Max weights
Turbo (right Column PDK)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fww275%2FTaufe%2FScreenshot2010-08-30at191432.png&hash=78afb55ba9230b8b19abeb19e3c33f03d07296d8)
Turbo S
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fww275%2FTaufe%2FScreenshot2010-08-30at191507.png&hash=e14ea6011d89c780e35dd2472703be48d308c048)
So even taking that into account the GTR is still some 250 KG heavier
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I wouldn't say the GTR was overated Pov. I think it's probably more to do with the fact that it weighs a good 400kgs more than the Porker, which wouldn't help.. :wink:
Weight difference between a turbo is roughly 200kgs
Its overrated because every bangs on about it being a bargain supercar and that its beaten porsche at their own game when in reality nissan arent exactly playing fair.
A stock GTR firstly puts out alot more power than they state, and 2ndly its cheap because nissan are subsiding the costs, but then are trying to recoup those costs through high servicing and parts costs. Then there is the whole issue of them being fragile and requiring TLC. The porka you can do 24hours at the ring and then drive it home without any special attention barring the consumables such as tyres, brakes and fluids.
The GTR is a bit like the Focus RS. The truth is slowely but surely coming out, they are both overrated.
Actually…..
GT-R Weighs 2200Kg
Turbo Weighs 1595Kg
Turbo S Weighs 1585Kg
So it's quite a big difference of 600KG :surprised: Those weights were taken direct from the manufacturers UK Websites before you say they are wrong.
You can hardly say they are over rated. Lets take the Ring times for both cars. 7Min 40secs for Porsche vs 7Min 29secs for GT-R. 11 Secs is a big margin in performance terms.
But the price is still the issue. Im not talking about buying used. We are talking purely NEW cars. Then the GTR would make more sense as apart from a straight line it can pretty much live with if not beat a hell of a lot of cars (look at the Top Gear track board). Bonus being you save the £60k which accounts for the High running costs.
You cant seriously think the GTR weighs 2.2 tonnes.
Sorry but the figures are wrong.
Also the porsche figures, are they with driver and fluids, or without?
The ring times should be taken with a pinch of salt. No independant tester has got anywhere near the times Nissan claim, and alot of people who were at the ring state the GTR was running track tyres.
Agree, there's no way the GTR is 2.2 tonnes. That site is a bit bizarre :confused:
Evo Mag have them as..
Porsche - 1585kgs
GTR - 1740kgs
So only 155kgs difference, but enough to hamper the power/weight.
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Ok have a look yourself then
Nissan GT-R
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fww275%2FTaufe%2FScreenshot2010-08-30at190718.png&hash=eed53ff908f3a2a14814b933c0e85b21e566d929)
Porsche Turbo (Right hand column for PDK)
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Porsche Turbo S
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The Unladen Weight (EIN) Whatever that means is 30Kg higher
Car sites are often wrong, its a bit like how enthusiasts now more about the car than the car salesmen themselves.
I mean if we want to get really pedantic over this I could always lookup the figures that sport auto mag from germany actually weighed the cars at themselves
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Edited to add Max Weights
Why would a manufacturer get the Weight wrong :confused: After all it affects the Emissions etc doesn't it????
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Fook knows.
Ive got another argument to add to this debate.
Instead of spunking 60k on a GTR and have silly high running costs, buy a TTRS for 45k, revo stage 2 is and you have a car thats quicker than a stock GTR apparently.
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Im sure i said in an earlier post about buying a Golf R and chucking £60k at it :P :P :P
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Hmmm, I don't really care which is the fastest. Both the Porsche and the GTR are fecking fast!
But the Porsche has soooo much more style. As already said by Poverty(?), the GTR is equivalent to a Focus RS - Neither have class.