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General => Random Chat => Topic started by: ukdub on August 31, 2010, 02:57:17 pm
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Anyone else watch this last night. Around 15 minutes in
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00tnqp4/Cars_Cops_and_Criminals_Fast_and_Dangerous/
Just wondered whether the BBC had to contact the member before showing this?
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What exactly should we be looking out for?
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14 min in the blue rs4 against an ed30 :signLOL:
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haha, I saw it too last night on the TV, couldn't quite believe it when I saw
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14 min in the blue rs4 against an ed30 :signLOL:
....Can't think who that might have been! :wink:
Really not the best example of what they could have used to illustrate 'dangerous driving'. All it was, was speeding offences with two cars on a dual carriageway. Both cars are quite safe at 115 mph - They're designed and built for it, and so was the carriageway.
Did they ever find the blue RS Audi driver?
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14 min in the blue rs4 against an ed30 :signLOL:
....Can't think who that might have been! :wink:
Really not the best example of what they could have used to illustrate 'dangerous driving'. All it was, was speeding offences with two cars on a dual carriageway. Both cars are quite safe at 115 mph - They're designed and built for it, and so was the carriageway.
Did they ever find the blue RS Audi driver?
Counldn't of put it better myself RR.
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This is the 2nd forum member I know of to feature on one of these shows lol.
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:grin: :grin: nice one ben! still makeing TV aperances! :laugh:
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:grin: :grin: nice one ben! still makeing TV aperances! :laugh:
....Who's your agent, Ben? :evilgrin:
But, nobody get me wrong: I'm very pro police generally and very anti real dangerous driving. I think they just took the opportunity to show how they could use YouTube etc to their advantage and at the same time discourage speeding. The 70 limit is probably one of the very few UK road laws I disagree with. More discretion should be used.
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Really not the best example of what they could have used to illustrate 'dangerous driving'. All it was, was speeding offences with two cars on a dual carriageway. Both cars are quite safe at 115 mph - They're designed and built for it, and so was the carriageway.
Exactly Robin, especially when you see them catching motorcyclists doing over 125mph in a 60, overtaking on solid white lines and then, nice as pie, giving them a fixed penalty FFS :surprised: :surprised: :surprised: What's that all about????????????? :confused:
Just to rub salt in the wounds, they made it look like I lost :ashamed: :fighting: :signLOL: And what's the crack with the sound affects in the back ground..? :grin:
Wasn't actually watching it when it was on as I had an early night. Only to then get a flood of phone calls @11pm from my sympathetic mates :ashamed: :fighting: :grin:
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speed limit should be 80mph i think in uk
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speed limit should be 80mph i think in uk
....Yep :happy2:
The whole of Europe should follow Germany's example. Jeeze, it's so boring coming back on the M20 after a trip through Europe.
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As stupid and ridiculously dangerous as that truck driver was, I did laugh at his dance I have to say.. :ashamed:
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speed limit should be 80mph i think in uk
....Yep :happy2:
The whole of Europe should follow Germany's example. Jeeze, it's so boring coming back on the M20 after a trip through Europe.
so true mate doing 150+ on the autobahn was a bit of comedown to 70mph in the uk :grin:
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14 min in the blue rs4 against an ed30 :signLOL:
....Can't think who that might have been! :wink:
Really not the best example of what they could have used to illustrate 'dangerous driving'. All it was, was speeding offences with two cars on a dual carriageway. Both cars are quite safe at 115 mph - They're designed and built for it, and so was the carriageway.
Did they ever find the blue RS Audi driver?
I agree with this, people have it in their heads that speed is dangerous because of the (previous) government's campaigns the "Speed Kills". Yes, the drug might, but as Clarkson (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWTErCL8-ik)put it "Speeding has never killed anyone, it's suddenly become stationary that does". Now I hate people speeding near schools and built up areas, but there is a time and place for speed, and the only lives they were putting in danger there were their own as the chose to be in that car and do that - filming it was daft but he knows that now.
I think a person on ukmkvi's put it the best:
Wow, catching two speeding motorist on empty stretch of road from a video posted on a website... I'll sleep a lot better tonight now knowing the country is a much safer place.
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Now I hate people speeding near schools and built up areas, but there is a time and place for speed
....Very much agreed. I rigidly stick to the 20/30/40 and even 50 limits whether a speed camera is present or not and regardless of an impatient driver behind me.
Again, at the entrance to German towns/villages the actual town name sign marks the beginning of the 35kmh limit and the name sign with diagonal red stripe denoting leaving the town, marks the end of that speed limit. It also neatly reduces all the street furniture you see in the UK - Many drivers can't cope with lots of signs.
German B-roads are immaculately surfaced, they have proper and continuous cycle lanes, I could go on! The UK is a joke. Germans build great cars too! :laugh:
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I too have similar opinions and experiences about the waste of the public resources on what are safe conditions (largely)....coming back from Manchester Airport to Glasgow m6 to M74.....it was a clear dry night, no one was excessively speeding...the road speed was circa 80mph....all respected each other and gave loads of space between cars.....except when a firkin dangerous m5 came up behind us at around 130!
Yep it was Dumfries and Galloways finest....they pulled the car in front of me with whom I had been in touch with from a services about 15 miles back! So...wary of this i stuck cruise at 70 and lo! Some short time later what do i see in my mirror but the illegal police driving at death defying speeds....I didn't see him pull anyone else guess tWas the end of his shift....bet he was proud of himself! :congrats:
Like you lot I do not condone speeding especially in built up areas, as a father myself I think it appalling however where the road and conditions allow I think it more dangerous to enforce arcane laws rather than to let the traffic flow. (the btards) .... :signLOL: sorry rant over.
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Now I hate people speeding near schools and built up areas, but there is a time and place for speed
....Very much agreed. I rigidly stick to the 20/30/40 and even 50 limits whether a speed camera is present or not and regardless of an impatient driver behind me.
Belive it or not Red, so do I. This is the reason I haven't had a single point on my licence for nearly 10 years before this mis-hap and I do 30k+ a year. There's a time and a place, just don't get your mate to film it.. :ashamed:
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Like you lot I do not condone speeding especially in built up areas, as a father myself I think it appalling however where the road and conditions allow I think it more dangerous to enforce arcane laws rather than to let the traffic flow. (the btards) .... :signLOL: sorry rant over.
....To be fair, both being pulled and chatting to unmarked car Police drivers, I've found they are much more inclined to use their intelligence and discretion and judge your overall driving than just a mph number. I've only ever received 2 speeding tickets in 40 years, both by marked cars and both for exactly 93 mph on dual carriageways. Oops! I tell a lie! I got a fine for speeding in Belgium in April (dual carriageway again). All offences in my GTI :laugh:
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speed limit should be 80mph i think in uk
and the police agreed with this, but government left loonies at the time still said no.
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speed limit should be 80mph i think in uk
and the police agreed with this, but government left loonies at the time still said no.
....I heard today that the current govn'ment is getting rid of many archaic laws still on statute, some dating from the 1800's etc. Perhaps someone should point out how out of date the 70 limit is. It was only brought in as a knee-jerk reaction to an enthusiast testing an AC Cobra down the M1 on a clear road in the middle of the night! Probably the same idiots who axed half the railway network in the UK... Duh! Duh! Duh!
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this is a silly waste of police time to "calculate" our speed from a video!
how do they know the video wasn't speeded up or digitally enhanced?
I would take them to court and ask them to prove that if they came to me for one of my videos... lol
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I would take them to court and ask them to prove that if they came to me for one of my videos... lol
....Right or wrong, good luck with that - You'd need it!
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this is a silly waste of police time to "calculate" our speed from a video!
how do they know the video wasn't speeded up or digitally enhanced?
I would take them to court and ask them to prove that if they came to me for one of my videos... lol
They would get access to the original video and figure it out. Doing forensic examinations on frame rates in a video is quite easy if the meta data in the video is left intact. If you have access to remove it however....
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this is a silly waste of police time to "calculate" our speed from a video!
how do they know the video wasn't speeded up or digitally enhanced?
I would take them to court and ask them to prove that if they came to me for one of my videos... lol
This was discussed with my solicitor at the time mate and I was advised not to bother. If I was a couple of mph over the limit then maybe, but it was fairly clear I was well over the 70 limit as the 115mph mentioned was the AVERAGE speed, not the peak. :ashamed:
To be fair, it wasn't the speed that was the big issue, it was the fact that there was an RS4 (or RS6 if you listen to Mr Theakston :stupid:) next to me doing the same thing (ie racing). This is what I was done for (Racing on a Public Highway) not the speeding as such, that just added to it.
Racing on a public highway is another archaic law that is very very rarely used (according to my solicitor) as it is so hard to prove generally, unless there's a video and 3 beeps :ashamed: If I had of been caught doing 130mph on the same stretch on my own, I would of got between 28-56 day ban tops. But because there was another car there it goes up to 15 months :stupid: This is why I was so pissed off to see those motorcyclists doing 125mph+ whilst weaving in and out of other road users, crossing solid white lines, on the back wheel and only got a fixed f***ing penalty (3 points)!?!?!?!?!?! :fighting: Would love someone to explain to me how that works??? :confused:
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RS6? :grin:
Get the facts right. Seemed like a bit of a noddy test they did to replicate the camera position, surprised they managed to get anythig out of it tbh. All over now so nevermind. I dont recall the Audi driver ever getting caught/done?
Was half expecting to see footage of myself when I saw that on the intro, straight line speeding on an empty carriageway. Capital crime :confused:
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The law is bull.
If I do 120mph in the UK im a dangerous and reckless driver. If I do it a few hours drive away in germany its perfectly legal and socially acceptable.
The 70mph speed limit is silly.
What the government should do is increase the limit to 90mph, and actually make people have to learn how to drive properly on the motorway.
Currently learner drivers are not allowed in the motorway which is a joke.
Middle lane huggers aswell are bad, as those asshholes who sit in the fast lane at 70mph with a qeue of cars behind them, and refuse to move over, because in their eyes no one should be going over 70 as the law says so. Fooking do gooder job worths.
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Currently learner drivers are not allowed in the motorway which is a joke.
Pass Plus which can be done IMMEDIATELY after you pass takes you onto all the roads which you did not learn on. They do night driving, A roads, motorways etc and is very useful. I did it many moons ago and gives you a LOT more confidence.
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Currently learner drivers are not allowed in the motorway which is a joke.
Pass Plus which can be done IMMEDIATELY after you pass takes you onto all the roads which you did not learn on. They do night driving, A roads, motorways etc and is very useful. I did it many moons ago and gives you a LOT more confidence.
True but this is not mandatory and people generally dont want to pay for this when they can do it for free in their own eyes. Plus not all insurers recognise it. I do agree with what that women said on the program that we should have further training before being given the freedom of the roads or some kind of restrictions.
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Currently learner drivers are not allowed in the motorway which is a joke.
Pass Plus which can be done IMMEDIATELY after you pass takes you onto all the roads which you did not learn on. They do night driving, A roads, motorways etc and is very useful. I did it many moons ago and gives you a LOT more confidence.
Pass plus isnt mandatory though, and I didnt do it either TBH.
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It is how the new generation of UK motorsists are brought into the driving world now I'm afraid.
Cutting people up in town, not indicating, using your phone in busy built up areas and drafting the car in front at 30mph whilst 2 metres from it are all socially acceptable nowardays, but dare to go over the speed limit and you are the car equivalent of the Yorkshire ripper or a child molester. Ridiculous.
The speed limits on dual carriageways and motorways should be raised, but they never will be as the social, eco-warrior do-gooders are afraid that we may use 0.0001 litre of fuel per mile extra if we raise the limit and that my friends is the nub of the matter today. :fighting:
Rant over........nearly!
Right, I'm off to buy a V10 Cobra. :signLOL:
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It is how the new generation of UK motorsists are brought into the driving world now I'm afraid.
Cutting people up in town, not indicating, using your phone in busy built up areas and drafting the car in front at 30mph whilst 2 metres from it are all socially acceptable nowardays, but dare to go over the speed limit and you are the car equivalent of the Yorkshire ripper or a child molester. Ridiculous.
The speed limits on dual carriageways and motorways should be raised, but they never will be as the social, eco-warrior do-gooders are afraid that we may use 0.0001 litre of fuel per mile extra if we raise the limit and that my friends is the nub of the matter today. :fighting:
Rant over........nearly!
Right, I'm off to buy a V10 Cobra. :signLOL:
That is a good point actually. At 90mph the 2.0TFSI for example uses alot more fuel than at 70mph, and this is because the car manufacturers ahve their cars geared to current speed limits.
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i think the speding fine system in germany is excellent as well.
they take into account the traffic, time of day and area that you are speeding in as well as the excess o speed. do if your on a motorway at night in the summer, with no cars, and are speeding, you get a lower fine. and no points. i had a ban in germany for speeding once, but it was for 1 month and didn't need to be declared.
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I get an average 33mpg at 70mph and 26mpg at 90mph, which is a 22% drop in fuel. Do you see where I am going with this?
If you lowered the speed limits further, the government would argue that fuel savings and the environmental effects would be positive and that fatal injuries would lower as proved in sample XXX of theoretical a spurious results survey!! :laugh:
So how would anyone justify upping the speed limit?
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i think the speding fine system in germany is excellent as well.
they take into account the traffic, time of day and area that you are speeding in as well as the excess o speed. do if your on a motorway at night in the summer, with no cars, and are speeding, you get a lower fine. and no points. i had a ban in germany for speeding once, but it was for 1 month and didn't need to be declared.
In Belgium it is just a Euro fine and no points. If you need to get somewhere fast and it is important, you can break the speed limit, get to that important meeting/appointment on time and if you get caught speeding, just pay the fine and forget about it. :smiley:
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TBH, even if the speed limit was 90mph, i'm pretty confident that I wouldn't cruise at that speed all the time..
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christ that copper on the bike was smashing out over 130mph there, on an unmarked bike. maybe in a proper police bike with lights etc, but how is that safe for him to do that in an unmarked bike on a single carriageway
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TBH, even if the speed limit was 90mph, i'm pretty confident that I wouldn't cruise at that speed all the time..
True, plus its really bad with a stage 2 plus k04 as the acceleration is so effortless and composed that you always sorta end up creeping past the speed your meaning to go at.
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I agree with some of tbe above comments.
I personally think passplus should be mandatory. After I bought my own car, I called up my old driving instructor and we essentially did passplus - driving on motorways, at night, in the rain. The only problem was that there was a fpur year difference between passing my test and buying a car. Was immensely useful.
As for fuel consumption, if the speed limit was 100mph, all new cars would be manufactured to be economical at 100mph. "Speeding" imo depends on the conditions. 100mph on a motorway, where you can see upto a mile down the road, dead quiet, nice and dry conditions, good daylight is better than doing the same speed at night, where visibility is drastically reduced and the road is soaked with rain.
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Middle lane huggers aswell are bad, as those asshholes who sit in the fast lane at 70mph with a qeue of cars behind them, and refuse to move over, because in their eyes no one should be going over 70 as the law says so. Fooking do gooder job worths.
....That's a pet hate of mine too. It's actually potentially dangerous imo.
Dare I say that I've noticed that drivers in Germany are far better at lane discipline too. Probably cos they fear the uber fast approach of 180mph cars (with their LED DRL's blazing).
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I was once done for doing a shade over a hundred on a well-lit, empty motorway once.
There was a Jag in the middle lane cruising at about 95mph. I came by, overtook the chap, went back into the middle lane and touched the brakes. Soon as he saw my brake lights go on and knew he wasn't gonna get me for more he turned on the blues. :sad1: Was lucky to get away with 6 points and a ban.
I mean, tbh, I was speeding and it was a fair(ish) cop, but it didn't make much sense. The German "active" autobahn is really a much better system. Derestricted completely where appropriate, and a safe, reasonable speed (130km/h - 80mph) elsewhere.
I don't hold with speeding in 30-50 areas though. In terms of impacts, human survivability decreases rapidly beyond 28-30mph* so I usually run at about 25 in those areas, even if people behind me complain.
*Humans appear to have evolved to survive impacts at maximum sprinting speed, which is roughly 28mph. Makes sense. Luckily the government had set the lower speed limit at 30mph before they cottoned onto this fact.
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In Belgium it is just a Euro fine and no points. If you need to get somewhere fast and it is important, you can break the speed limit, get to that important meeting/appointment on time and if you get caught speeding, just pay the fine and forget about it. :smiley:
....I don't know what you mean :wink:
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It is how the new generation of UK motorsists are brought into the driving world now I'm afraid.
Cutting people up in town, not indicating, using your phone in busy built up areas and drafting the car in front at 30mph whilst 2 metres from it are all socially acceptable nowardays, but dare to go over the speed limit and you are the car equivalent of the Yorkshire ripper or a child molester. Ridiculous.
Hey now, don't got tarring us all with the same brush!!! :booty:
I get an average 33mpg at 70mph and 26mpg at 90mph, which is a 22% drop in fuel. Do you see where I am going with this?
If you lowered the speed limits further, the government would argue that fuel savings and the environmental effects would be positive and that fatal injuries would lower as proved in sample XXX of theoretical a spurious results survey!! :laugh:
So how would anyone justify upping the speed limit?
My counter argument for this is that if you're going faster you'll get there sooner, ergo use less fuel (yes I know if you add it up you probably won't) and less traffic on the road :smiley: :grin:
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I got done (in 1992) at 78 mph on the a90 (it's a 70 or it was then) out of Aberdeen at 0120, dry clear night. You can see why I think plod uses little commonsense or discretion at times. No other car on the road apart from me and a jam sandwich land rover. Twats.
The irony was I was up in that part of the world then fixing a radio transmitter guess who for? Yes that's right.
Prolly done me for making their radios work again :-( :star:
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We should have at least an unrestriceted lane on the motorway
I think each car should have some kind of speed rating on an individual basis like insurance groups and only them cars deemed safe anough from the FACTORY can go in this lane.
It would easily work as these cars would have high insurance groups anyway which would meen young idots that have passed ther test carnt afford the insurance so carnt get the car so carnt drive in the unrestricted lane.
Theres already a huge network of cameras on the motorways and you just convert the ones facing the unrestricted lane to read numberplates anyone in a car not in the special club gets a ticket simples.
Then people not wanting to go warp speed can just go in the other 2 lanes instead of getting undertaken, tail gated etc etc etc.
I have thought about this and its just full of WIN!
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That seems quite a good idea and it's very similar to what's already applied to trucks etc being lane restricted. :happy2: