MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Sat Nav and Car Audio => Topic started by: rdfcpete on September 03, 2010, 11:59:35 pm
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Guys,
I've been using my retrofitted RNS-510 for over 8 months now.
The maps have always worked well and signal has never been an issue to obtain barring when in very remote locations or on housing estates later than the maps I was using.
I updated to the latest update around April time this year IIRC, version 26XX of the firmware to be precise as per the thread by Carl (thanks chap :happy2: - http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,7154.0.html).
Ever since doing so the nav maps consistently seem to think they're in a town in Germany. The vehicle cursor actually moves as though I'm driving on the German roads and across rivers + through fields which is slightly concerning. If I create a new route to a location in the UK, it takes me across Europe and via ferries etc as though current position is in Germany :scared:
The strangest thing is on Bank Hol Monday (30/08/2010 - Last Mon) I drove from Wangford in Suffolk on the East Coast all the way back to Northants, in the Midlands and on the A14 it picked up signal again successfully and showed I was on the A14 heading back West. All fine.
Tonight again however, when I drove locally, I was back in Begenherd or wherever TF it thought I was in Deutschland :sad1:
What can I do about this?
- Is there a firmware bug/defect that I could have missed?
Obviously my antenna position is fine otherwise it wouldn't pickup signal full stop rather than intermittently?
Thanks,
- Pete
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Does it always start up in a place called Regensburg?
If you turn the unit on and just leave the car parked up outside, does it eventually get an accurate lock (15 minutes should be enough)
If the answers are Yes and No in that order, it sounds like something is up with the GPS antenna - if you press Map twice and select GPS from the drop box, how many satellites does it show? A fault with the GPS antenna should also show in a VCDS scan.
If the answers are Yes and Yes, then you have Regensburg Syndrome, which is caused by upgrading the firmware to a version that is too high for the hardware in your RNS-510. You will need to downgrade, probably to version 1200, but I'd need to know the actual RNS version you have (they come in A, B or C variants. I am betting you have an A but the only way to be 100% certain is to look at the label on the back of the unit)
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Thanks for the prompt and informative reply Mark :happy2:
Looks like you know your stuff :pomppomp:
When I turn the nav on and select maps, it seems to start in the town of Messerschmittstrasse (at least that's the only town on show on the map without changing zoom etc...). Could this be the same condition you mention?
I won't be able to take the fascia and dash out to get to the back of the RNS so sharpish, but I can attempt this one evening when I get time. What am I specifically looking for sorry, just the build version of the unit? - Can I tell this from the software on the RNS perhaps?
The answers to your questions 'seem' to be No & No, based on that info :confused: I guess that doesn't really help but I think your suggestion of backdating the firmware is probably sound seeing as it didn't reproduce this symptom when I was on the older version. Can I backdate easily or is there a complicated process involved? :scared:
Thanks.
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If your secret menu is enabled, you can enable downgrading of the firmware, so it becomes as easy as upgrading it.
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You don't need to back date the firmware.
Just update to 2720 or higher. What version Satnav do you have. A or B
If it's A use this firmware (272X)
Click me (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=PIN99XBS)
If it's B use this firmware (276X)
Click me (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=JG148IV6)
I have an A revision in both my Octavias and both are using 272X fine. You will still get the Regensburg Syndrome BUT it will go within a couple of secs (2 mins max although for me it's never been longer than about 10 secs) :happy2:
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Lovely SW, sounds good.
One question.... What's the secret menu sorry?! :P
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Press and hold setup for 30 secs and it will cycle through to a test menu.
It enables you to check what version maps & SW you are running and a few other bits. Not overly important just nice to have :happy2:
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Depends if the test menu has been enabled though. :smiley:
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You don't need to back date the firmware.
Just update to 2720 or higher. What version Satnav do you have. A or B
If it's A use this firmware (272X)
Click me (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=PIN99XBS)
If it's B use this firmware (276X)
Click me (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=JG148IV6)
I have an A revision in both my Octavias and both are using 272X fine. You will still get the Regensburg Syndrome BUT it will go within a couple of secs (2 mins max although for me it's never been longer than about 10 secs) :happy2:
Thanks Carl. I've no idea tbh, but I think mine is the B or C grade if that's possible?
I'm running the version that you kindly put on the OP of the thread I referenced in my first post on here. Little bit lost as to what I need now, plus the second link above doesn't work, says it's not available :sad1:
Depends if the test menu has been enabled though. :smiley:
When I held it, it just offered me the radio frequency after 10 seconds and didn't change for the next 20 seconds, so I haven't got this :indifferent:
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^^
If it's B use this firmware (276X)
Click me (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=JG148IV6)
^ Tell a lie Carl, this is working now. Beginning download and I'll look to update to this tonight :happy2:
I can live with the German problem if it corrects itself after a minute or two.
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Just in case anyone was wondering, Messerschmittstraße is a road in Regensburg.
Still worried that you have a GPS antenna problem - if you see 0 satellites in the GPS viewer then I personally would suspect that first. Of course up or downgrading the firmware doesn't involved taking the dash apart and if it sorts you out then happy days :happy2:
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That would make sense regarding the road Mark, cheers!
Just burning the update Carl posted as we speak :happy2:
Tried 2 DVDRWs now and it had a read error when in the RNS. Trying a CD-RW now.
1/11 Satellites btw Mark while on my driveway.
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Nothing wrong with the GPS
If there was something wrong with the GPS it would say 0/0.
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^ Cool Carl - as I thought as it worked for miles on the A14 - cheers.
Not sure why the disks keep failing asin the RNS-510 doesn't load it and produces the DVD/CD error. Burning my fourth. I'm obviously doing something wrong...
Does the .NRG file need to be a specific filename to load for this update? Not having much luck :confused:
Ta.
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Shouldn't do :confused:
NRG is just a Nero version if ISO.
What are you burning it with?
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^ Yup, Nero fella.
I'll try .iso in a minute. Something's not right.
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What speed are you burning at?
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^^ 4x for the DVD and 10x for the CD.
It reads the disc for a while then produces the error. About 25 seconds after its inserted?
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i'm sure you can burn the dvd at 2.4x. You want the lowest possible burn. Do you enable verification too to make sure the data's been written correctly?
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^ Verify was indeed ticked. I'll try at 2.4x. It must be more fundamental than that though I'm thinking? It sounds as though its read the data but then can't load it?
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fv394%2Frdfcpete%2Fnreo1.jpg&hash=b8dc4f785dee23a3aacb13ca95eb5741a0b49dce)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fv394%2Frdfcpete%2Fnreo2.jpg&hash=6322f4ede4822d50a63f24ab153c348ea90d005a)
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Meh. CD/DVD error yet again.
It must be something basic. Do I perhaps need the A version that was linked? Worth a try? Getting nowhere atm and would be a journey to Kingston upon Thames tomorrow wouldn't there :grin:
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1/11 sats isn't enough for a +ve lock. You need 4/x - if you don't have that after 15 minutes and the car is in open space then there's a problem.
Agreed that if you have 11 visible then there is a working GPS antenna connected, but if you can only get 1-2 locked then the nav will be unreliable.
Regensburg syndrome basically means that the GPS lock is cold-started every time the unit is powered on. So it normally cures itself after 10-15 minutes as a new lock is established (maybe longer for an in-dash mounted antenna perhaps?)
If the RNS has been properly coded then it will track progress against the last known map position using CANBUS data (steering and ABS sensors). Hence why you can start in Regensburg and then drive across Germany even when you are not there - if you aren't getting a GPS lock for some reason (and you have Regensburg) then the RNS will cold-start the location and go from there.
But this is all conjecture - if the lock is still unreliable after a FW up/downgrade then it's worth further investigation.
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That's very true fella.
Went for a 20 min drive and tbh it was faultless. Kept locked position correctly all journey through villages and towns. Used 5/8 satellites successfully so all being well its not a problem at the moment. I'll monitor it over the next week.
Thanks the 3 of you :happy2:
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... Well, same issues yesterday unfortunately. Had a journey to and from London and on the way it was fine, locking signal successfully. Way back it didn't pickup signal until on the M1, which was about 25 + miles from Kingston.
; So same prob :fighting: The inconsistency is the most annoying bit about it meaning I can't rely on it.
As the last firmware update didn't work for me on either DVD-RW or CD-R/RW, is there perhaps a different interim update I could try?
Thanks.
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I would now recommend doing a Reset of the nav.
press and hold <, > and i (or the button next to eject) for about 30 secs (or until you see the VW splash screen)
Then turn off and remove the MFD3 completely from the car. Wait about 2 mins and then reconnect the whole thing. Sometimes they just need a kick up the hoop.
I had to do that process when i had a similar problem as you describe. Touch wood it's been fine since. You don't normally have to remove it to reset but i tried the reset about 3 times previously and it never worked. I was then told about removing and that cured it.
Otherwise i suggest getting someone with VCDS to take a look and ensure it's coded correctly.
The only reason i can think now of it not working is the GPS Almanac (basically a list of where the satellites are in the sky) is not keeping it's update. Usually what happens is you update the firmware and the Almanac gets erased. It can then take up to 15 mins for it to rebuild. But once it has it "Should" keep it and just update what it needs.
Where abouts are you in UK. It might be worth looking at the VCDS register and PM'ing someone nearby. :happy2:
You can also use the other firmware i linked. It just takes slightly longer to sort out Regensburg but still way quicker than what you experience.
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I've got VCDS Carl :happy2: As long as I know what I'm looking for, I can do that side of it...
I'll try the restart tonight, thanks.
I will indeed try the 'A' unit link too. What's the damage if I install that and mines not an 'A' unit (which I'm all but certain its not, it was an eBay jobby but fully legit, thus it'll be a 'B' or 'C' grade unit I suspect?)
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There wont be any damage it's just that firmware is 2720 which is slightly older.
It will still work on it no problem.
Basically after 2680 iirc support for A revision units was dropped. So in order to have 27XX onwards the firmware had to be modified.
As i said earlier im using that file and it works fine on mine. They are A revision and are more likely to get problems over a B or C revison
You can also use Firmware 1300 (don't be fooled by the no. it's newer than 276X) but you will lose voice control (if you have it) i don't think there are any other draw backs but i would need to check as it's been a while since i looked at the differences
I tend not to update now until something significant comes along :happy2:
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I tried the first link, the 'A' one and I got the same 'DVD/CD error - please check the disk etc...' when the RNS tried to load from the disc, which is really strange. It makes me think I'm burning the discs wrong :scared: I'm sure I'm applying the same process as with the big update from your older thread, which worked a treat?
I did three restarts. These didn't seem to have any affect and sat on my drive still I get 1/11 satellites but still sits just by the Messerschmittstraße road.
Any other updates I can try? Alternatively, I'd like to get my hands on a step by step disc creation guide for the RNS updates as I've got a feeling I'm missing something, just can't work out from the process what :stupid:
If I can get an update so slip in successfully, chances are it will remedy it for the long run.
I'm aiming to remove the RNS and remove + re-connect the aerial at the weekend to start fresh connection wise.
Thanks.
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I can't think why the discs are not loading :confused:
To burn the disc right click on the image and select open with Nero.
When it opens then just Burn the image to disc (do not create a data disc otherwise that wont work).
Burn it as slow as possible and verify it afterwards.
Other than that i would try disconnecting everything for a couple of mins and reconnect to see if that solves the problem :happy2:
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I would imagine that resetting the RNS and then quickly pulling it's fuse for two minutes would be the closest you could get to the reset procedure without having the dash out.
Can you try an audio CD in the DVD drive? If you can get an audio CD to play then at least we know the DVD drive is working...... :happy2:
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Believe it or not, this still causes problems after RNS resets, trying to update (not successful after 6 attempts) and still receiving satellite signal.
Would it be worth updating the maps lads, as a wild stab in the dark?
Is there yet another update I can try, both on CD-RW or DVD-RW?
Appreciate any pointers. Going to spend some time on nailing this today :happy2: Thanks.
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What maps have you got?
The latest is V6.1
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Whatever build vers. the factory maps are Carl?
If it may correct the problem, I'll get a set of the maps from eBay or similar :happy2: If you say however it won't influence the Regensburg issue then there's not much value in me buying them, at least until this is fixed.
I still can't get my head round the disc reading errors. It works as I've watched the start of Shrek 2 on DVD recently when showing its capabilities to friends :laugh:
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And now i've bought it and it still doesn't work ! :confused:
+I dont understand what anyone has written above. :signLOL:
I think your coming round for some beers Pete with your computer thingy.
;)