MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Jussa on September 19, 2010, 12:47:13 am
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Hi guys,
New on this forum. I had my Mk4 GTi nicked a month ago and plumped up the cash for an 06 MK5 GTi. My MK4 had an Upsolute chip and full Milltek turbo back exhaust. I've just fitted a new full turbo back Milltek on the MK5 1 grand later.......... nowI want to get a remap done this week, but not sure whether to go again with Upsolute or possibly going to AMD??? I know from previous experience my MK4 pulled a lot better 0-60 withthe Upsolute chip than my mates with his AMD chip, but that was 9 years ago, and AMD may have come a long way since then.
Does anybody have any AMD experience they want to share?
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Never heard of your old map. AMD will revo you and you will do this :grin:
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never hear dof upsolute, but i have been AMD a few times. AMDs own remap gives the same figures as REVO pretty much but with a different delivery.
personnaly i would ask AMD to give you the REVO map, then you have adjustability
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I take it your upsolute chip for the mkiv was done by mike @ impossible performance? For a start is he still in business?
Do they even do a map for the mkV Gti?
Safer to go with the AMD remap if you don't want Revo etc.
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I have had AMD stage 1 and it made a big difference to the car although mine seemed to have a slight flat spot at about 3-3500 rpm after changing gear and continuing with acceleration. This may have been due to to my car being DSG or needing the fueling in the map adjusting slightly.
However I now have a Milltek TBE, carbonio and pipercross panel filter and have recently had the AMD stage 2 done and it is very good. Loads of seamless power and no flat spots lots of torque, may be a bit more agressive than REVO?. I am very pleased with it. Stage 2 was a huge step up from stage 1. Not in power increase necessarily but how the power it delivered.
I must say I never considered REVO at the time I had the stage 1 done mainly because I did not know about it and I don't think AMD did it then. They are also my local VW specialist tuner. Obviously I did the stage 2 with AMD as it was only a £100 because I had the stage 1. It was also very nice having before and after dyno runs. My car now shows 280 bhp and their rollers.
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When did u do the dyno run that produced 280bhp??
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When did u do the dyno run that produced 280bhp??
31st August 2010.
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Interesting! That's post BTCC recalibration and you don't even have a HPFP upgrade! Amazing power :happy2:
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This was on their rollers. I have never had the car on any other rollers which I would like to do to see if there is any difference. Regardless of power the car goes really well!
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And that's all that matters so it's all good :happy2:
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Guys, I may sound ignorant here but been out the game of remapping for awhile.........what is 'REVO' when it's not at home? :scared:
By the way, those of you who haven't heard of Upsolute, have a look here http://www.upsolute.com/
I agree about the BHP not being that important, more on how it's delivered. My MK4 after the Upsolute chip (which was done at GTi international in 2001) only had 184bhp on the rolling road but would easily beat an AMD remapped MK4 GTi 0-60 which claimed a 210/220bhp. I would rather have the low down grunt and acceleration then the mid range to be honest. The main reason why I'm thinking AMD is because they apparently map the car with the Milltek turbo back in mind, and get the best out of the exhaust system?
All thoughts would be great, as I don't want to part with £500 for no good reason :laugh:
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You can't really compare a map done way back in 2001 (old school tech and all that) with the tech in 2010.
No one on here would have used upsolute for the Mk5...simply because there are better options out there.
But if you feel Upsolute are better then by all means go with them. It's your money after all.
If you've never heard of Revo, i suggest you do a google search or on here about remapping a mk5 before you part with your hard earned.
There's plenty of info everywhere.
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if you want to know what remaps guys are using on the TFSI then have a look at these threads
Revo are the predominant tuner on this forum, with shark performance the predominant on briskoda. you have just mised out on a huge group buy from him. There were 48 guys iirc :driver:
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,9692.0.html (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,9692.0.html)
http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/146392-poll-what-remap-do-you-have-place-your-votes/page__p__1830356__fromsearch__1&#entry1830356 (http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/146392-poll-what-remap-do-you-have-place-your-votes/page__p__1830356__fromsearch__1&#entry1830356)
i will only buy something that i have tried personally or i can find alot of independant praise and reviews. never heard of upsolute on a mk5
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Guys, thanks for all the info......it's a real eye opener. So I guess the question is what's better AMD or Revo? But in this string it says you can actually ask AMD for a Revo map???? very confusing.....also can eanybody explain what they mean by the mapping being delivered differently between the 2.....I mean which 1 would give me better acceleration? Also, if I went for Revo would they rolling road before and after etc....? :driver:
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AMDtechnik can supply you with their own brand of remap, or they can give you a REVO remap as hey are a REVO dealer as well.
they can supply before and after power runs for. The power delivery between all the maps is always different. Its a matter of deciding what you want. me personally i say go with revo as it is adjustable which no other map on the market is
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On my old shape S3, I had Revo (after having it on my Ibiza Cupra as well) and teh car didn't like it at all. It had flat spots and was very jurky with all the power being delivered in a big lump low down. I swapped it with an AMD remap and it suited me much better. It was very smooth and progressive without the big all or nothing bang that I got from Revo on my Ibiza and S3.
I'm not sure what the Revo map is like on the mk5 as I have not been in one with it yet so I'm not sure how much hasd changed in the last 5 years. All the cars I have driven with Revo (mk1 S3, mk1 TT225, mk4 GTI, Ibiza Cupra, Leon Cupra R) had a massive shove when the turbo came on boost low down which was great for 'feeling' faster but lowsy for traction on a FWD car. Back in my seatcupra.net days there was a guy I knew who had a superchips remap on his Ibiza which we all laughed at him for because he was 20bhp down on Revo, Jabba, AMD etc but his was still easily the fastest on the road.
Bottom line, test before you buy and get what's right for you as you might like what I hate.. and vice versa :happy2:
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I've got to say that in the last 2 days I've definitely had a crash course in remaps :laugh:
I'm off to AMD tomorrow to part withthe wonga, but still not sure whether to go with the Revo or AMD map......I don't think I can ask them to do each one so I can test to see which I prefer??
Bottom line I guess is which do you reckon will give me the fastest 0-60 time??
thoughts??? :surprised:
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seriously who gives a sh!t about 0-60. its pub talk. and any differences could easily be down to each individual start and traction/tyres etc.
where the remaps truly differ is the in gear accelerations. also consider that all the top guys @ santapod are all REVO with one GIAC car popping into the party
heres an example of what a revo stage 2+ can manage
speeds Impreza cosworth/focus RS500/Revo K1 (Stock intake, worn toyo t1r tyres)
0-30 1.8/2.5/2.8
0-40 2.6/3.6/3.7
0-50 3.5/4.5/4.7
0-60 4.6/5.6/5.7
0-80 7.0/7.5/8.7
0-100 10.7/12.7/12.5
in gear 3rd
20-40 4.0/3.1/2.7
30-50 2.7/2.3/2.0
40-60 2.1/2.2/2.0
50-70 2.1/2.4/2.1
in 4th gear
20-40 6.9/5.0/4.6
30-50 5.5/3.7/3.1
40-60 3.9/2.9/2.5
50-70 2.8/2.9/2.6
70-90 2.9/3.3/2.9
in 5th gear
40-60 7.4/4.5/3.9
50-70 5.3/3.8/3.4
60-80 3.9/3.8/3.5
80-100 4.1/4.6/3.7
in 6th
40-60 14.5/7.7
50-70 5.3/3.8
60-80 11.0/5.1
70-90 8.1/5.1
80-100 5.9/5.6
100-120 6.5/7.4
stnding 1/4 mile
focus RS500 14.1@106.3mph
impreza cosworth 13.0@110.3
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seriously who gives a sh!t about 0-60. its pub talk. and any differences could easily be down to each individual start and traction/tyres etc.
where the remaps truly differ is the in gear accelerations. also consider that all the top guys @ santapod are all REVO with one GIAC car popping into the party
heres an example of what a revo stage 2+ can manage
speeds Impreza cosworth/focus RS500/Revo K1 (Stock intake, worn toyo t1r tyres)
0-30 1.8/2.5/2.8
0-40 2.6/3.6/3.7
0-50 3.5/4.5/4.7
0-60 4.6/5.6/5.7
0-80 7.0/7.5/8.7
0-100 10.7/12.7/12.5
in gear 3rd
20-40 4.0/3.1/2.7
30-50 2.7/2.3/2.0
40-60 2.1/2.2/2.0
50-70 2.1/2.4/2.1
in 4th gear
20-40 6.9/5.0/4.6
30-50 5.5/3.7/3.1
40-60 3.9/2.9/2.5
50-70 2.8/2.9/2.6
70-90 2.9/3.3/2.9
in 5th gear
40-60 7.4/4.5/3.9
50-70 5.3/3.8/3.4
60-80 3.9/3.8/3.5
80-100 4.1/4.6/3.7
in 6th
40-60 14.5/7.7
50-70 5.3/3.8
60-80 11.0/5.1
70-90 8.1/5.1
80-100 5.9/5.6
100-120 6.5/7.4
stnding 1/4 mile
focus RS500 14.1@106.3mph
impreza cosworth 13.0@110.3
Absolutely correctomundo :happy2: 0-60 is pretty nonsense. It's the rest of the in gear drive thats more important :wink:
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my mates impreza Wr1 can consistenly hit sub 5 seconds 0-60, and has had it timed at below 4.5 a few times on the performance box.
yet he can only manage a 13.02 1/4 mile with it, with terminals of about 101mph. stage 2+ TFSI would smash tat time, but would struggle to make that 0-60, especially consistently
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AMDtechnik can supply you with their own brand of remap, or they can give you a REVO remap as hey are a REVO dealer as well.
they can supply before and after power runs for. The power delivery between all the maps is always different. Its a matter of deciding what you want. me personally i say go with revo as it is adjustable which no other map on the market is
Just in case you are unaware of what that means you can buy a SPS (Select Plus Switch) which you can have I think 4 pre loaded maps and can also alter you Boost, Timeing and Fuel to make the most of it.
Most people swear by Revo. Why not get the free trial first and see what you think?
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Do all Revo dealers offer this free trial? Or is it a select few?
I would also like to see what the Revo hype is about, compared to the likes of AMD and superchips. :driver:
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ive not had revo personnally on my own car, however i have driven quite a few REVO tfsi's both k03 and k04 so all the above that i have written is pretty independant.
Ive had superchips and it really underperformed. I also had shark performance which was alot better. Id go REVo i think if i bought a cupra
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I am not sure if AMD do a free trial, I may be wrong. I wanted to try the REVO stage 1 to compare it with what I had but they could not do it as it would erase the AMD map I had on my car as the REVO trial reverts back to a standard map after a few hours.
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Ill give backdraft a call tomorrow and find out what they can do :notworthy:
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the revo trial is only available on certain engines. think its available on the 2.0 TFSI
and all REVO dealer have the ability to do a free trial if its available for your car.
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I am not sure AMD will give you a free trial of their own AMD remap. REVO free trial? yes.