MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: markymark on September 24, 2010, 11:13:12 pm
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I'm very interested in your input as I'm getting a mixed reaction to DSG, some say it's awful in traffic even after the mechatronics has been changed!
Thanks for your help! :happy2:
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perfect all the time. 1000x better than a clutch in traffic!
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No problems here... :smiley:
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perfect all the time. 1000x better than a clutch in traffic!
You not had to have the mechatronics replaced Ed?
Mark as you know, during my 6 month ownership of my R32 I had my unit replaced.
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I had a new unit in my Ed30 and have just had one in my.:R32.
I think if you are contemplating DSG then a bit of manufacturers warranty helps. As does dealing with any problems at the earliest opportunity. :happy2:
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Had my mechatronics unit replaced about 10 months ago, been fine ever since. If I wanted to be critical, it's ever so slightly slow to engage/take up drive in 1st when it's cold - but once it's warmed up a little it's quite happy. To my mind, it's not dissimilar to a manual box in that respect - driven plenty of those that are a bit notchy first thing. Bit like me really :signLOL:
Have two months warranty left so am watching it closely ATM, just in case.
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perfect all the time. 1000x better than a clutch in traffic!
You not had to have the mechatronics replaced Ed?
Mark as you know, during my 6 month ownership of my R32 I had my unit replaced.
nope all has been good, i have thought there were issues but always me being over worried.
im going to have the 1st dsg service in the next 3000miles though
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waiting for my new mechatronics to arrive from germany.failed at 12,000miles
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my dsg has one 58000 with no problems, slightly slow to engage when cold, but im vry pleased with it.
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If thinking of the Pirelli in DSG then there is a couple of thinks to be aware.
It's not the same earlier Mk5's as it uses the later CANBUS control module rather than the older K-Line stuff.
So this means at present the DSG remapping options are reduced and also so are the number of failures that I have heard of.
My Mk6 DSG (which shares same CANBUS version as the Pirelli) has been way better than my old ED30.
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I love my DSG - best of both worlds and has been great - now at 62k with no problems or intervention aside from a DSG service.
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I have had the gearbox ecu replaced and it doesn't like reversing up slopes very much so I try and avoid this and sometimes its a bit jerky pulling away when cold but otherwise I have been very happy with how it operates.
It's a godsend in traffic but great fun when going down your favourite road, you must have the paddles on steering wheel. I love the sound you get from the exhaust on up and down changes especially with the Milltek non-res TBE fitted.
I am a bit wary of the reliability however especially when my warranty runs out next year.
Overal I think it's great and would go for it again.
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Love mine as well dont think i could go back to a manual now!! Is sometimes a little jerky when cold but fine as soon as it warms up.
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Do I get 3 votes?
My Golfs were fine whilst I had them and only had the DSG services plus the ED30 had the quaife fitted. The A3 needed a new mechatronics unit from the off (under 1k miles) as it had the "kangaroo" fault.
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My Pirelli has had no problems at all with the DSG @ 33k miles now... runs sweet... no problems.. can't complain... hope it continues! :smiley:
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51k miles, on my same Mech's unit.
Never ever a single hiccup.
Seems its the later 57/ 08/ 58 model year cars onwards have had more issues then the earlier pre 56/07 models, going by forum users cars that have gone wrong.
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would really struggle to go back to manual unless i was buying a specific track day car like a lotus/caterham
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I have had the gearbox ecu replaced and it doesn't like reversing up slopes very much so I try and avoid this and sometimes its a bit jerky pulling away when cold but otherwise I have been very happy with how it operates.
It's a godsend in traffic but great fun when going down your favourite road, you must have the paddles on steering wheel. I love the sound you get from the exhaust on up and down changes especially with the Milltek non-res TBE fitted.
I am a bit wary of the reliability however especially when my warranty runs out next year.
Overal I think it's great and would go for it again.
Thats exactly what mine was doing up slopes it was awful, I think id get yours checked asap like kangarooing in reverse , mine is having a new mechatronics unit fitted now under warrenty
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Very happy wit mine, it's an early 05 Gti, although it sometimes a bit jerky kickin into reverse but goin forward I love it!!
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It looks alarming when there appears to be lots of these units failing. But the question you need to ask, to put your mind at ease is. How many people have had these break outside of the warranty period. I bet it's a tiny fraction. Even then i would bet the fault was there on the car but the owner didn't notice or couldn't be arced to get it fixed. In my opinion, if you buy a car with a warranty then you should be fine. :happy2:
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Would not go back to manual now after owning DSG...
Reverse is fine you just need to remember to give it a second once you change into reverse, for it to ' catch up ' with itself before pressing the acceleration pedal.
Also first thing / when cold it can be a bit lazy to change from 1st to 2nd but other than that fine!
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I have the problem with the 1st into 2nd on a cold morning... but i think everyone has that... i personally don't see that as a 'problem' but merely the gearbox oil waiting to warm up to change gear safely
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Thanks for all your input guys it really is appreciated. I didnt realise there had been a change on the cars post Pirelli that is good to know, hopefully my future Pirelli will be as good and reliable as I had hoped. :happy2:
Now I just need to find the perfect one!
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My 05-plate 06-build Mk5 GTI had its Mechatronics unit replaced under warranty at about 6k miles. It's now done 88k miles and the last year (I was a tester) with a Revo DSG remap and without missing a beat whatever I throw at it.
I now simply wouldn't even consider owning any other car which didn't have DSG or a good equivalent. I enjoy using all modes but drive mostly in M using the paddles.
I think that the key to liking DSG is your attitude: You have to decide you're going to accept it and enjoy it and it gradually comes. If you start off thinking it's either like Playstation or that 'real men' (whatever they are!) only use a conventional manual, then you'll never warm to it (and you'll also miss out big time).
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I think that the key to liking DSG is your attitude: You have to decide you're going to accept it and enjoy it and it gradually comes. If you start off thinking it's either like Playstation or that 'real men' (whatever they are!) only use a conventional manual, then you'll never warm to it (and you'll also miss out big time).
:congrats:Bang on Robin. Best advice I've heard about DSG. Took me a while to warm to it, but I've had no issues at all.
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On the question of DSG reliability, I think that many folks think that if it goes wrong it will be uber expensive and so are put off.
But, as TC pointed out, if any go wrong it tends to be while under warranty. If outside warranty, the situation has improved from the early days in that prices and DSG technical know-how have got better. I reckon that DSG clutches will last longer than conventional manual due to their self-protective features.
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I have had the gearbox ecu replaced and it doesn't like reversing up slopes very much
Have exactly the same issue at times mate. It seems as though it misses it the first time and has to start again. Wouldn't put me off getting it in my next car though, as on the whole it's been mint. Oh and it has been running 360+ torques through it from 1100 miles to the 65k it's now on. :wink:
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On the question of DSG reliability, I think that many folks think that if it goes wrong it will be uber expensive and so are put off.
But, as TC pointed out, if any go wrong it tends to be while under warranty. If outside warranty, the situation has improved from the early days in that prices and DSG technical know-how have got better. I reckon that DSG clutches will last longer than conventional manual due to their self-protective features.
I don't think it is the clutches that go wrong. The Mechatronics unit is the culprit, ans correct me if I am wrong, no one has developed a repair loop for these yet?
Will people spend a couple of K+ to repair a 100k miles 6 year old car? Not talking GTI's but cars on general. I hope it doesn't happen, but if someone does not sort out a repair loop, I fear you will start to see a glut of tired DSG cars in the yards. VW will not spend out on a car that is 3, 4. 5. etc years out of warranty (why should they? I have mixed views here), and definitely not if not serviced by them.
I hope that people apart from VW etc, start to fix Mechatronics units! Probably only a small value part that corrupts the whole unit.
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On the question of DSG reliability, I think that many folks think that if it goes wrong it will be uber expensive and so are put off.
But, as TC pointed out, if any go wrong it tends to be while under warranty. If outside warranty, the situation has improved from the early days in that prices and DSG technical know-how have got better. I reckon that DSG clutches will last longer than conventional manual due to their self-protective features.
I don't think it is the clutches that go wrong. The Mechatronics unit is the culprit, ans correct me if I am wrong, no one has developed a repair loop for these yet?
Will people spend a couple of K+ to repair a 100k miles 6 year old car? Not talking GTI's but cars on general. I hope it doesn't happen, but if someone does not sort out a repair loop, I fear you will start to see a glut of tired DSG cars in the yards. VW will not spend out on a car that is 3, 4. 5. etc years out of warranty (why should they? I have mixed views here), and definitely not if not serviced by them.
I hope that people apart from VW etc, start to fix Mechatronics units! Probably only a small value part that corrupts the whole unit.
Its a shame VW UK are not giving 10 year warranties on the DSG box like VW usa are !!!, it seems the compensation culture sometimes does have its advantages
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I'm really quite interested in the 10 year thing in the US and would love for someone here to take it up and prove a case whereby if VWOA thought it necessary to provide 10 years then why shouldn't VWUK.
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I don't think it is the clutches that go wrong. The Mechatronics unit is the culprit, ans correct me if I am wrong, no one has developed a repair loop for these yet?
Will people spend a couple of K+ to repair a 100k miles 6 year old car? Not talking GTI's but cars on general. I hope it doesn't happen, but if someone does not sort out a repair loop, I fear you will start to see a glut of tired DSG cars in the yards. VW will not spend out on a car that is 3, 4. 5. etc years out of warranty (why should they? I have mixed views here), and definitely not if not serviced by them.
I hope that people apart from VW etc, start to fix Mechatronics units! Probably only a small value part that corrupts the whole unit.
....Isn't it a case of replacing the whole Mechatronics module rather than trying to repair an existing one?
Would I spend £2k to repair my 100k 6yo car? I reckon so! I'd certainly consider it and it would depend more on what the fault was. Though I'm only at 88k and 5yo.
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....Isn't it a case of replacing the whole Mechatronics module rather than trying to repair an existing one?
Would I spend £2k to repair my 100k 6yo car? I reckon so! I'd certainly consider it and it would depend more on what the fault was. Though I'm only at 88k and 5yo.
Yes it is, but wouldn't a 3rd party repaired exchange unit be cheaper method? hence allowing cars to remain on the road with a lesser outlay?
I think the stumbling block is the M/Unit post repair testing equipment required.
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^^^^ Sounds like a job for Uncle Knobhead Enterprises :signLOL:
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^^^^ Sounds like a job for Uncle Knobhead Enterprises :signLOL:
Would love to see the inside of one.
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@ stokeballoon:
A Mechatronics third-party exchange scheme would clearly be a winner :happy2:
Who knows, perhaps it might happen.
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Could be an answer for the guys with the earlier DSG boxes. :happy2:
http://www.ecutesting.com/vw_and_audi_dsg_gearbox_ecu.html
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Excellent info, ukdub :drinking:
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Am just awaiting a new mechatronics unit from VW under warranty, at 28k presently and have enjoyed having it the last six months...although recently it has become jerky and a bit slow-witted (hence the change).
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Looks like someone is already on that money maker Stokey :happy2:
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My dsg is still going smooth after 147k miles.
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Wow - only 13k miles until your 4th DSG oil change. Impressive stuff :congrats:
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My dsg is still going smooth after 147k miles.
....Nice one!! :happy2:
Is it a Mk5 GTI?
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I've only had the car for about 6 months , was previously a company directors car , very well looked after. Bought it on the cheap so really no complaints. Might find it hard to sell on in the future though considering the milleage ?
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I've only had the car for about 6 months , was previously a company directors car , very well looked after. Bought it on the cheap so really no complaints. Might find it hard to sell on in the future though considering the milleage ?
....As you appear to have solid evidence of it being well maintained, it may take time to sell but a VeeDub cognoscenti shouldn't be put off by the mileage. Obviously her mileage will influence the selling price. Someone may want to buy it for serious trackday use for example. Who knows? I say Think Positive. It took me nearly a year to sell my BMW but so what.
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I've only had the car for about 6 months , was previously a company directors car , very well looked after. Bought it on the cheap so really no complaints. Might find it hard to sell on in the future though considering the milleage ?
In that case how do you know what problems the original owner had ?, have you checked with VW ?
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I've only had the car for about 6 months , was previously a company directors car , very well looked after. Bought it on the cheap so really no complaints. Might find it hard to sell on in the future though considering the milleage ?
....As you clearly have solid evidence of it being well maintained, it may take time to sell but a VeeDub cognoscenti shouldn't be put off by the mileage. Obviously her mileage will influence the selling price. Someone may want to buy it for serious trackday use for example. Who knows? I say Think Positive. It took me nearly a year to sell my BMW but so what.
WOW! :surprised:
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I paid £3000 cash plus my Vw passat estate ex police car3.0 4 motion 2004 with 198k Miles. Not planning on selling at the moment. The gti has leather seats ( interior in mint condition considering it's a 55 plate) dsg , winter pack , luxury pack, sunroof, Bluetooth mfsw. Only the seals on the door were replaced under warranty that I know, otherwise nothing else been done by Vw.
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My Golf V GTI DSG 2006 has driven 150.000 km, whitout problems !!!!! :happy2:
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My Golf V GTI DSG 2006 has driven 150.000 km, whitout problems !!!!! :happy2:
....Just so we all know: 150,000 km = 93,000 miles approx.
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had the DSG in my A3 TDI, at first i liked it, then i grew to hate it, the delays and the jolts were terrible. I never considered the mechatronic unit as it was out of warranty, oh and it was useless in the snow. Never again.
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had the DSG in my A3 TDI, at first i liked it, then i grew to hate it, the delays and the jolts were terrible. I never considered the mechatronic unit as it was out of warranty, oh and it was useless in the snow. Never again.
....I think that DSG is at it's worst if you only drive in D-mode where the system decides when to shift gear. But when you drive in DSG's Manual mode it should and does behave exactly as you want it to and you are the one in control. At least, mine does. Consequently, in my case, never again will I not have DSG or its equivalent.
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Nothing major to report on the DSg front - apart from that it works as expected.
Got a MY08 GTi with a Stage 2+ remap pretty much from new.
Does anyone know if the 'clutches' in the DSG need replacing? Does a periodical reset of the DSG control unit help. I have heard this helps clear out any glitches retained in the self-learning memory of the gearbox.