MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Toast on February 07, 2009, 06:59:46 pm
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Looking for some info on these as the solid grills around the fogs look mince :sick: And If I'm planing on goin bigger brakes thought they'd help with the cooling! Can these be bought from the dealer and if so what price?
And info would be appreciated :happy2:
Toast
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They wont help much with brake cooling unless you add ducts from them right through the wheel arches.
There is a certain amount of air circulation from the 'open grills' but the driver's side is mostly blocked off behind.
Someone on this forum has ducted it all properly and hopefully will post here.
Open fog grills are easily available from Fischer in Germany and not at all expensive - £30-ish?
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HTH :happy2:
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You can get them here:
http://www.fischermotorsport.de/Volkswagen/VW-Golf-Mk5-VW-Jetta-Mk5/GTI-Mk5/open-front-grille-VW-Golf-5-GTI-6.60763.html
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Cheaper to get them from your local dealer but don't tell TT! :chicken:
iirc, someone posted the part numbers on the golfgti forum a while back
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Thanks for the info guys :happy2:
I wondered if vw did them!
Toast
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i didnt know VW did them either
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I've got a pair of them sitting in the garage........ been waiting to get around to fitting them for a year or so now. Should get on with it, I know. :ashamed:
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A quick 5 minute Job Buddy :happy2:
Toast
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I'd go for these at the same time as uprated brakes. Then I could duct the brakes.
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Or you could neatly cut a round hole in each stock (closed) grill - Might look very cool.
Most of the VW Cup race cars use the foglight aperture to run ducts from.
You'll probably need some kind of mesh/screen to stop leaves etc getting into the ducts.
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Can get them from here: http://www.vwspeed.co.uk/volkswagen/vw-parts/Mk5_Golf_GT_GTI_Cooling_Grilles-2295-234.html
Delivered mine the next day!
But I hear that they are slightly cheaper from a dealer.
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Robin... there appears to be some 'ducting' behind yours in the picture taken (presumably) when you were fitting your DLRs, but this doesn't look as if it comes with either of the versions of the open grilles to which links have been given. Do I have to obtain this separately? I like the idea of the open grilles but worry about the untidy mess that would appear behind them if they're just large holes?!
Thanks,
Shaun
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The ones from vwspeed look like they don't come with the rear inserts!
The ones from fischermotor sport come with inserts; on the driver side it completely blocks the rear of the grill and on the passenger side you get a duct like insert that directs air to to behind the grill.
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Shaun - It's as bacillus says.
I didn't know until now that anyone supplied them without the rear 'inserts'!
Having seen Neil's at Santa Pod, I'm thinking of changing mine to carbonfibre ones :evilgrin:
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Thanks, bacillus... anyone know if the ones from the dealers come with these (I'm dubious as they're apparently cheaper!)?
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Mine came with things that attach to the rear of the grille that effectively block them off from behind.....
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Shaun - It's as bacillus says.
I didn't know until now that anyone supplied them without the rear 'inserts'!
Having seen Neil's at Santa Pod, I'm thinking of changing mine to carbonfibre ones :evilgrin:
Photo anywhere?!?!?! They sound niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice!!
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Hey!! You're going to get me into trouble with my 17yo SWMBO (daughter) - She bought me "Some Like It Hot" on DVD for christmas and we haven't seen it yet.
I'll post later! :evilgrin:
Yes, they were on a Candy White! TeeHee! Looked fabulous awful!! You won't want any! :evilgrin:
Byeeeeeeee.................. :laugh:
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Hey!! You're going to get me into trouble with my 17yo SWMBO (daughter) - She bought me "Some Like It Hot" on DVD for christmas and we haven't seen it yet.
I'll post later! :evilgrin:
Yes, they were on a Candy White! TeeHee! Looked fabulous awful!! You won't want any! :evilgrin:
Byeeeeeeee.................. :laugh:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :signLOL: Ok Robin, In the meantime, I'll see if any pics were taken on the event topic! :smiley:
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open fog light grills :rolleye: dont tell TT :signLOL: but i had these on my golf and soon after putting these on the car it started getting clutch slip :confused:, i never thought about it but after looking at them its the duct on one side that flows the air to the gearbox to keep the dsg cars from burning up in hot places, so infact what it is doing is flowing cold air to the gearbox ie the clutch on manual cars and not allowing it to get hot and clamp to the flywheel so causing the slip. I changed them back to normal ones and it stopped slipping :ashamed: for about 3 weeks but started again a couple of weeks ago and did it bad today in 5th and 6th
its a thought and it did stop after i changed them back :confused:
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^^ That is very interesting.........!!! :surprised:
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So by the sounds of the issue with clutch slip am I worth keeping the standard closed grills then?! :confused:
Toast
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open fog light grills :rolleye: dont tell TT :signLOL: but i had these on my golf and soon after putting these on the car it started getting clutch slip :confused:, i never thought about it but after looking at them its the duct on one side that flows the air to the gearbox to keep the dsg cars from burning up in hot places, so infact what it is doing is flowing cold air to the gearbox ie the clutch on manual cars and not allowing it to get hot and clamp to the flywheel so causing the slip. I changed them back to normal ones and it stopped slipping :ashamed: for about 3 weeks but started again a couple of weeks ago and did it bad today in 5th and 6th
its a thought and it did stop after i changed them back :confused:
....So you're saying that open fog grills can be the cause of clutch slip on a manual?
Am I right in understanding that you got clutch slip today while with open grills?
There are also 2 vents under the car in the gearbox area.
The open fog grill has yet to cause clutch slip on my DSG.
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You are not running enough power or torque to even worry about slipping clutch as you are well below what they can take. It's just a thought and I could be wrong but it was a little strange and I will ask mark at vw racing what he thinks when they pull my clutch out
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The ones from VWSpeed do come with the ducting channels on the back, but they're easily removed by just unpicking the tabs.
I intend to adapt these channels with fibreglass to run pipework to the brakes. I'll take a snap of them in a bit as they're off the car at the mo.
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I will be using it as a cold air feed for my cai when I get one on
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^ Yeah, Jonny's got his ducted to his intake - seems like a nice, easy route up too.
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open fog light grills :rolleye: dont tell TT :signLOL: but i had these on my golf and soon after putting these on the car it started getting clutch slip :confused:, i never thought about it but after looking at them its the duct on one side that flows the air to the gearbox to keep the dsg cars from burning up in hot places, so infact what it is doing is flowing cold air to the gearbox ie the clutch on manual cars and not allowing it to get hot and clamp to the flywheel so causing the slip. I changed them back to normal ones and it stopped slipping :ashamed: for about 3 weeks but started again a couple of weeks ago and did it bad today in 5th and 6th
its a thought and it did stop after i changed them back :confused:
It seems to me that every recent topic is a cause for clutch slipping, from low windscreen wash to now open fog grilles!
All seems a bit daft to me! Either learn how to drive the car without slipping the clutch or sell it and buy a dsg
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open fog light grills :rolleye: dont tell TT :signLOL: but i had these on my golf and soon after putting these on the car it started getting clutch slip :confused:, i never thought about it but after looking at them its the duct on one side that flows the air to the gearbox to keep the dsg cars from burning up in hot places, so infact what it is doing is flowing cold air to the gearbox ie the clutch on manual cars and not allowing it to get hot and clamp to the flywheel so causing the slip. I changed them back to normal ones and it stopped slipping :ashamed: for about 3 weeks but started again a couple of weeks ago and did it bad today in 5th and 6th
its a thought and it did stop after i changed them back :confused:
It seems to me that every recent topic is a cause for clutch slipping, from low windscreen wash to now open fog grilles!
All seems a bit daft to me! Either learn how to drive the car without slipping the clutch or sell it and buy a dsg
I think your right to a certain extent, a few people on here are a bit nervous about getting this problem, and this causes people to look hard for a explanation. But it is a expensive fix, so its a little harsh James to tell people to learn to drive when know one really knows the reasons as to why, as of yet. :chicken: :wink:
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No being funny james but running around 340lbft of torque through a clutch that is designed to cope with 230lbft is asking a little too much, no matter how the car is driven. Unless you drive the car at 5k+rpm all the time the clutch will go sooner or later.
Me and matt will be going for the vwr/sachs clutch kit to cope with the torque :happy2:
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like both Luca and TC have said we are a forum and we are trying to let people know what could be a problem with the cars running bigger bhp over stock and we are finding out the bad bits that cant cope with the torque and you dont buy a gti to drive it like a fairy :driver: its a drivers car for people that want to drive and play with the car if they want :happy2:
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I apologize for my harsh words, come down with flu and put me in a narky mood.
Anyhow you have answered your clutch slip issues Luca, too much torque and power running through a stock clutch which can't cope over time, it is effectively reducing the life span of the clutch when you remap
So the problem is the remap, not fog grilles etc, unless you wish to upgrade your clutch to one which can cope with a remap
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what i was saying was just what my car did after i fitted these and what i thought was strange when i took them off so just an idea that may have nothing to do with it what so ever but just an idea :happy2:
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After cracking a new set of Brembo discs on a track day (my own fault :rolleye:) I had a go at venting them through the fog grilles, had to move the horn and use SHV2-63 Forge ducting, its a tight squeeze especially with a Forge Twintercooler fitted and you need to cut a hole in the inner wheel arch but it seems to work ok.
I saw the carbon fog grilles at the TT Shop and have installed a cone behind the slot vent to channel the air through the ducting.
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Hope this helps, Neil
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Thanks for posting that info, Neil :happy2:
Some GTI's (mine for example) already have a rectangular opening in the front of the wheel arch - 06-Build / 05-plate / AXX-series.
Having seen your OSIR's in the flesh at The Pod, I really like them and my Hella LED DRL's (fog replacements) are just a wee bit tight around the stock honeycombe panels. So, next time you remove them could you possibly PM me an accurate millimetre diameter across the 'fog' aperture at the rear, please?
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how much are the Osir grills
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Oh my gosh, those OSIR grilles are :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
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how much are the Osir grills
I think nearly £300, according to the TT Shop OSIR pricelist!
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Im ordering a set of open mouth grills in the morning from Vw dealers :wink:
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how much are the Osir grills
I think nearly £300, according to the TT Shop OSIR pricelist!
.... :surprised: - Ooops!! So about 10x the cost of oem's!!
Oh dear! Does the slippery slope go on forever!?
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Im ordering a set of open mouth grills in the morning from Vw dealers :wink:
Let us know the part nos please. And the obligatory pics once fitted.
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of course m8 :happy2:
No doubt as usual they wont have em in stock and will have to order them in . :signLOL:
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Im ordering a set of open mouth grills in the morning from Vw dealers :wink:
Let us know the part nos please. And the obligatory pics once fitted.
1K0854661M9B9
1K0854662F9B9
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................Mat posted this a while ago :happy2:
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how much are the Osir grills
I think nearly £300, according to the TT Shop OSIR pricelist!
lol, they know how to charge
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I had successfully talked myself out of getting any until I saw Neil's at The Pod.
Telling myself they were too expensive was part of it!
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I had successfully talked myself out of getting any until I saw Neil's at The Pod.
Telling myself they were too expensive was part of it!
They were just two screws away from them being yours... :wink: :grin:
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I had successfully talked myself out of getting any until I saw Neil's at The Pod.
Telling myself they were too expensive was part of it!
They were just two screws away from them being yours... :wink: :grin:
.... :signLOL: :signLOL: :signLOL: :signLOL: But who would I have to screw? :evilgrin:
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^ :love: Yay! Yay! Yay! How I sometimes wish I was younger!
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^^^^^^^ :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
Great pic Red :happy2:
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I had successfully talked myself out of getting any until I saw Neil's at The Pod.
Telling myself they were too expensive was part of it!
They were just two screws away from them being yours... :wink: :grin:
.... :signLOL: :signLOL: :signLOL: :signLOL: But who would I have to screw? :evilgrin:
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^ :love: Yay! Yay! Yay! How I sometimes wish I was younger!
Should never have let you round my house Robin, give you an opportunity and your up photo'ing my wifes arse! :mad:
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Great pic Red :happy2:
....What I call "Essence!", Drop Dead Gorgeous!, Stunning!, and the sort that leaves you like a jibbering (and dribbling) teenager.
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We don't really stand a chance do we! SWMBO's from Venus!
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Should never have let you round my house Robin, give you an opportunity and your up photo'ing my wifes arse! :mad:
....Well, she did leave the door open for me while you were sent out to get some milk :evilgrin:
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Im ordering a set of open mouth grills in the morning from Vw dealers :wink:
Let us know the part nos please. And the obligatory pics once fitted.
Update
Grills arriving tommorow, pics will follow.
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How much were they, please Phil?
I may be selling mine soon.
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they cost £15 ish for them from the dealers
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they cost £15 ish for them from the dealers
And the rest matt, £9.81 + vat EACH.
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How much were they, please Phil?
I may be selling mine soon.
Are you Blowing £350 on a set of OSIR ones Robin? :surprised:
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How much were they, please Phil?
I may be selling mine soon.
Are you Blowing £350 on a set of OSIR ones Robin? :surprised:
....No and yes :evilgrin:
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You and your contacts Robin!!!, jammy sod!! :signLOL:
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they cost £15 ish for them from the dealers
And the rest matt, £9.81 + vat EACH.
Oh I forgot as I get discount on them LOL
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ok pics as promised. 30 second fit and look alot better IMO.
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Watch out, here comes TT! :grin:
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He's still licking his wounds over the R32 rears, allegedly.
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ive left the drivers side rear Blank in for the winter months, mainly because Horn/wiring harness is behind there and would be more open to the elements so will remove in the summer as in 2nd pic.
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You don't half get some muck in them, I tell thee!
I've picked up a couple of these that I'd adapting into the ducts, then I'll run flexi pipework to the archliners pointing at the brakes. Much like NeilM (I think?) has done.
http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/products/ProductDetail.asp?cls=ROAD&pcode=GLOID150-75
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Looks nice Steve!! Although your signature pic doesn't show them :grin: :grin:
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OK I'm a duffer, but just picked up a set of the ventilated grilles from the Stealers and before I damage the surrounding paintwork can someone explain how the old ones are removed, please?
Thanks.
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Unscrew, & pull to remove. Couldn't be easier!
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^ Just offer the plastic grill's tab to the slot on the right of the fog and single screw fix on the lefthand side. Reverse layout on other side of car.
HTH :happy2:
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ok pics as promised. 30 second fit and look alot better IMO.
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Looking good mcavity :happy2:
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Thanks, chaps.
Hadn't looked closely enough to spot that they screw on. Quick job for Saturday morning, then.
Having found out on here that the cheapest supplier were, ironically, the Stealers, I paid £9.67 ea. +VAT. Just received Awesome's newsletter and they're asking the best part of £60 a pair! What's that about... or am I missing something?!
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Thanks, chaps.
Hadn't looked closely enough to spot that they screw on. Quick job for Saturday morning, then.
Having found out on here that the cheapest supplier were, ironically, the Stealers, I paid £9.67 ea. +VAT. Just received Awesome's newsletter and they're asking the best part of £60 a pair! What's that about... or am I missing something?!
I have just bought some from the dealers, i wasnt sure of the part number, they said i could have a look at some they had in stock ordered by awesome-gti??
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Part numbers have been posted on this thread.....copying our part numbers :confused: but hope it helped?
Sarah
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Part numbers have been posted on this thread.....copying our part numbers :confused: but hope it helped?
Sarah
....Any comment about Awesome's alleged price of £60 a pair?
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I questioned this a while back and the end result was that i thought Awesome lowered their prices
http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/product.php?xProd=11789&xSec=156
Or have i got myself all confused again??
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Part numbers have been posted on this thread.....copying our part numbers :confused: but hope it helped?
Sarah
....Any comment about Awesome's alleged price of £60 a pair?
Hi we was shipping these in from America
Not knowing that we could get them from dealers
So now , we are getting them from the dealers (eventually) so we can do them cheaper
Live and learn
He , I have lived , but not learn`d much
But I know about them now
So yes the prices have come down
Just very hard to get hold of
Sarah
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Guys, I'm trying to get hold of some open mouth grills for my GTi.
They are a faintly ridiculous £104 from Awesome, and VW have quoted me £58.
Any ideas where I can get them cheaper?
Help me out please!!
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Found these on ebay. I know they're not OEM but for the money they look worth a punt.
http://bit.ly/1Is8iu (http://bit.ly/1Is8iu)