MK5 Golf GTI

All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Johnny_tro on September 30, 2010, 11:56:46 pm

Title: DSG - idiots guide
Post by: Johnny_tro on September 30, 2010, 11:56:46 pm: Hi, guys. DSG gear box. Having never had one before, is it a must?

The VW DSG box, i basically an auto box, am I correct?

You have the padel shift on the wheel so you can drop down or change as you feel fit?

Do these auto change when you hit hight revs? and down change auto matically at low?

Can someone tell me, are they really better than a manual? what are the pros and cons?
Title: Re: DSG - idiots guide
Post by: Johnny_tro on October 01, 2010, 12:16:05 am: Oh and are the two types or versions?

Need make sure make the right choice :confused:
Title: Re: DSG - idiots guide
Post by: neg on October 01, 2010, 01:43:42 am: Its a manual box with a brain, not an 'automatic' gearbox.

Yes, paddle shift - this takes over when you press it, hold it down for a few secs and it reverts back to auto

red line it will upshift automatically, and downshift when revs drop.

Better .. well it depends, personally YES.

Its the convenience of a auto box when you want it but with the added benefit and fun of a manual too.
Title: Re: DSG - idiots guide
Post by: richtung on October 01, 2010, 06:25:27 am: they say a picture paints a thousand words... heres one a better, a video from a guy in the US explaining and demonstrating DSG:

Part 1

Part 2

Hope this helps :happy2:

rich
Title: Re: DSG - idiots guide
Post by: neg on October 01, 2010, 09:56:51 am: God I miss DSG :ashamed:
Title: Re: DSG - idiots guide
Post by: Johnny_tro on October 01, 2010, 11:47:20 am: Ok - so it's basically an automaitic with padels - but the auto box will always kick it esp when you floor it?

DO ALL DSG boxes have padels? even the diesels?
Title: Re: DSG - idiots guide
Post by: RedRobin on October 01, 2010, 11:50:34 am: .
DRIVE DSG BUT THINK MANUAL AND USE THE PADDLES
Title: Re: DSG - idiots guide
Post by: Johnny_tro on October 01, 2010, 12:04:50 pm: Cooooool. I like to sound of it. Those are good vids - guy if funny to lol

Right - is there only ONE type of DSG? is there low end version (cheap) without padels and a high end all singing and dancing?

Roughly - what a cluch change £££ ?? lol
Title: Re: DSG - idiots guide
Post by: Johnny_tro on October 01, 2010, 12:12:52 pm: Reason I ask, looking at one now - doesn't look like a full on one. Says DSG - can't see padals :( has a big rectangle knob not like this one

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ft2.gstatic.com%2Fimages%3Fq%3Dtbn%3AANd9GcQueFhoRnc7RcGABavU8OQtoqrK1yeKdgCTnNRV-nSJwQ2onqU%26amp%3Bt%3D1%26amp%3Busg%3D__DSG3CM2GULZhxaM2IhzqPFdz9FI%3D&hash=f71ba44ddbe94706e7dc079b17da1d551d830243)
Title: Re: DSG - idiots guide
Post by: RedRobin on October 01, 2010, 12:14:41 pm: ^^^^
The early cars equipped with DSG didn't have paddles. I guess that VW were only thinking 'automatic' :stupid:

The latest DSG's are 7-speed and dry as opposed to 6-speed and wet, and Audi's version is exactly the same but called 'S-tronic'.

Personally, I don't know of anyone who has had DSG clutches fail unless their car is highly modified with too much torque.
Title: Re: DSG - idiots guide
Post by: Johnny_tro on October 01, 2010, 03:39:46 pm: Right, just found out it's a 2005DSG no padals -(6 speed I think)

Is it £££ to have padals fitted?
Title: Re: DSG - idiots guide
Post by: RedRobin on October 01, 2010, 04:15:45 pm: Quote from: Johnny_tro on October 01, 2010, 03:39:46 pm

Is it £££ to have padals fitted?

....It's spelt "paddles".

Do a forum Search and you should find plenty info on swapping to a MFSW (Multi Function Steering Wheel) with integrated paddles.
Title: Re: DSG - idiots guide
Post by: Johnny_tro on October 01, 2010, 04:26:39 pm: sorry :(

will look.

Can this also be straight replaced.....as looks better in my opinion (pics not exact-but get the idea)

from this
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia2.worldcarfans.com%2F2004%2F3%2Flarge%2F3021129.001_1005big.jpg&hash=0c2c896632d1a29c6cf9eb04e4c07c8594f87a30)
to this
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.caranddriver.com%2Fvar%2Fezflow_site%2Fstorage%2Fimages%2Freviews%2Fcar%2F10q1%2F2010_volkswagen_gti_3-door_dsg-short_take_road_test%2Fgallery%2F2010_volkswagen_gti_dsg_3-door_shift_lever_photo_17%2F3440014-1-eng-US%2F2010_volkswagen_gti_dsg_3_door_24_cd_gallery.jpg&hash=9914ca466d1679a6e0ad934134a9fec9ec5af7c3)
Title: Re: DSG - idiots guide
Post by: RedRobin on October 01, 2010, 04:35:29 pm: ^^^^
They're both lefthand drive cars in the pics.

You can buy aftermarket cosmetic gate cover plates, mostly carbonfibre available.

Here's mine:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FRedRobin_05%2FMods%2FTyreSure_temp.jpg&hash=0597bb130e33b5ce6a46268fb9db8d6bb771cfeb)
Title: Re: DSG - idiots guide
Post by: Johnny_tro on October 01, 2010, 04:46:05 pm: Nice, looks good. Mines the crappy big side button, looks more like a childs toy :( but it is just a straigh cosmetic swap? as my button is on the side?

Sorry really am new to Golfs :(

Not mine axactly, but almost. You see they look pants :sick:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpic20.picturetrail.com%2FVOL1280%2F5039271%2F18093404%2F296458313.jpg&hash=f9e9da1f7cb1624057add3709eb68e5242a09a82)
Title: Re: DSG - idiots guide
Post by: RedRobin on October 01, 2010, 05:01:18 pm: ^^^^
If I recall correctly, the Mk6 GTI has the side button and so do the Audi's - Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. Personally I prefer the button on my Mk5 GTI as it's ergonomically more natural to use.

Which model is your car then, mate?
Title: Re: DSG - idiots guide
Post by: Johnny_tro on October 01, 2010, 05:02:23 pm: I have the 2.0 gt TDI DSG

My wants.....

Would love the paddle shift
want the full RNS510, rear screens etc. bluetooth the works.....

Just seem to be hearing seeing so many issues with coding, things going wrong after installing an RNS.......

Seems EVERYTHING in the Golf is done by coding......

Here we go....this is pretty much the same......

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpictures2.autotrader.co.uk%2Fimgser-uk%2Fservlet%2Fmedia%3Fid%3D1455123216&hash=16a1681f95fb027f15d2c8d98861fc486cbe5fc8)
Title: Re: DSG - idiots guide
Post by: neg on October 01, 2010, 07:22:51 pm: I reckon it could be swapped, someone with the latest S4 had the side button and swapped it for the other one.
Title: Re: DSG - idiots guide
Post by: 182_blue on October 01, 2010, 07:26:52 pm: Quote from: RedRobin on October 01, 2010, 05:01:18 pm
^^^^
If I recall correctly, the Mk6 GTI has the side button and so do the Audi's - Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. Personally I prefer the button on my Mk5 GTI as it's ergonomically more natural to use.

Which model is your car then, mate?
Cant speak for the mk6 GTi but the scirocco has this one below and mine has the later mk6 golf type interior

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi2.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy8%2F182_blue%2F7f297639.jpg&hash=630f5d1d7cefb8f8d675275ae3322ecafe19c2e3)
Title: Re: DSG - idiots guide
Post by: Johnny_tro on October 02, 2010, 12:48:31 am: ^^^^^ thats the style.....so can you guys confirm, is this just a simple cosmetic swap?? or ££££
Title: Re: DSG - idiots guide
Post by: 182_blue on October 02, 2010, 06:52:33 am: Quote from: Johnny_tro on October 02, 2010, 12:48:31 am
^^^^^ thats the style.....so can you guys confirm, is this just a simple cosmetic swap?? or ££££

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?2940255-Need-HELP-w-DSG-Shift-Knob-Please

I would leave well alone :laugh:, not a simple swop at all
Title: Re: DSG - idiots guide
Post by: Johnny_tro on October 02, 2010, 10:25:46 am: :surprised: that post has put me will off.......but that was a year ago......has there been a simple advance on this?
Title: Re: DSG - idiots guide
Post by: RedRobin on October 02, 2010, 10:43:05 am: Quote from: Johnny_tro on October 02, 2010, 10:25:46 am

:surprised: that post has put me will off.......but that was a year ago......has there been a simple advance on this?

....Why would there be a "simple advance"? VW would have no logical reason to change it as far as I can see.

Faced with such complexities I would stay put off. You'll soon get used to what you've got.
Title: Re: DSG - idiots guide
Post by: Johnny_tro on October 02, 2010, 10:49:05 am: Oooo no am used to it....just think your style is more pleasing to the eye

I'm also guessing the wheel with be the same? std DSG no buttons or paddles - adding paddles is just a no no

Knew I should have go one with full DSG and paddles :(
Title: Re: DSG - idiots guide
Post by: RedRobin on October 02, 2010, 10:51:56 am: Quote from: Johnny_tro on October 02, 2010, 10:49:05 am

I'm also guessing the wheel with be the same? std DSG no buttons or paddles - adding paddles is just a no no

....I think we may be going round in circles here. You can change the steering wheel to one with paddles. It's just the floor gearstick which is advisable not to.

FFS, do a Search! :rolleye:
Title: Re: DSG - idiots guide
Post by: Johnny_tro on October 02, 2010, 10:59:55 am: sorry...thank you....... :ashamed: very tired last few days.
Title: Re: DSG - idiots guide
Post by: 182_blue on October 02, 2010, 11:04:07 am: Quote from: Johnny_tro on October 02, 2010, 10:25:46 am
:surprised: that post has put me will off.......but that was a year ago......has there been a simple advance on this?
It was a year a go but if you check it actually started 4 years ago lol
Title: Re: DSG - idiots guide
Post by: RedRobin on October 02, 2010, 11:06:38 am: ^^^^
@ Johnny_tro:

If you can't find info via a Search, I suggest starting a new thread specifically asking about swopping a steering wheel to one with paddle shifters. I know there's discussions on this site about it but I'm not feeling like wet nursing folks today by searching for you.

:happy2:
Title: Re: DSG - idiots guide
Post by: Johnny_tro on October 02, 2010, 11:13:13 am: Cool - I appreciate your help. thank you!!!
Title: Re: DSG - idiots guide
Post by: cmdrfire on October 04, 2010, 11:07:23 am: Quote from: Johnny_tro on October 01, 2010, 11:47:20 am
Ok - so it's basically an automaitic with padels - but the auto box will always kick it esp when you floor it?

DO ALL DSG boxes have padels? even the diesels?

1) No, it is not an automatic box. There is no torque convertor. It is an automated manual gearbox.

2) It is not possible to go from the normal side-button to the GTI-style trigger.

Quote from: RedRobin on October 01, 2010, 12:14:41 pm
The early cars equipped with DSG didn't have paddles. I guess that VW were only thinking 'automatic' :stupid:

The latest DSG's are 7-speed and dry as opposed to 6-speed and wet, and Audi's version is exactly the same but called 'S-tronic'.

Personally, I don't know of anyone who has had DSG clutches fail unless their car is highly modified with too much torque.

My car is about as early as it gets, and it has paddles...
Title: Re: DSG - idiots guide
Post by: xxx_mojo_xxx on October 04, 2010, 05:50:51 pm: The guy in the video is funny, and a bit dangerous to be driving and taking a video at the same time. :jumpmove: