MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Hurdy on October 01, 2010, 04:12:45 pm
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Well I can tell you exactly:-
404bhp! and 387lbft.
This is on the same style dyno, with the same software that my old car used to go on and got 372bhp on normal fuel. So, an increase of approximately 32bhp over the normal K04. Statllers own car.
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its cracked 400bhp :congrats:
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Nice figures for Steve there :happy2: It is nippy, I know that after running against him at Inters..
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Nice figures for Steve there :happy2: It is nippy, I know that after running against him at Inters..
It's been tweaked a little on the map since then too. Craigs car is also in the 400+bhp club on a hybrid too. Damn, sold my car too early :sad1:
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so hurry up and get the new one :laugh: xbow 405bhp anyone :driver:
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400 horses, I remember a few years back when to get over 300 on the old 1.8T KO4 was what people where aiming for.
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Is this on Giac software Hurdy?!?! :evilgrin: :party: hmmm
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Is this on Giac software Hurdy?!?! :evilgrin: :party: hmmm
Yup. GIAC Hybrid K04 specific file. :smiley:
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Is the 400+ on a dsg or manual?
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So who makes/modifies the KO4 to hybrid and how much?
Sounds like a better option than say APR Stage 3? Financially?
Does it fit the standard Manifold/Housing?
Should I be looking at another section of the forum? :scared:
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Is this on Giac software Hurdy?!?! :evilgrin: :party: hmmm
Yup. GIAC Hybrid K04 specific file. :smiley:
Hmmm sounds intresting lol what kind of monies are we talking to gain this ko4 hybrid and 'specific file' :wink:
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I haven't looked into pricing, but these are the steps Statllers used (they have 2 hybrid K04 Edition 30 cars - one DSG and one manual)
K04 goes off to be hybridised - needs to be a "good" K04 turbo with little or no play in the compressor wheel shaft
GIAC hybrid file
RS4 injectors
VF intake - file is tuned specifically to use the VF intake diameter
Uprated "in-tank" pump.
Normal stage 2+ bolt-ons like turbo-back exhaust uprated and HPFP - an uprated intercooler would also help keep those pesky intake temps down.
You'd have to phone Steve Jr at Statllers to get an accurate pricing - I'd just be guessing. :happy2:
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Cool mate see what happens :signLOL:
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Im fairly new with all this tech stuff whats the hybrid thing all about i need to swat up on all of this :confused: ????
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reliabilty of a hybrid????? i was wandering about this awhile ago. jabbaluke hasnt been on fo a fair bit with news on his yet.
no news is normally bad news so i presumed both hybrids were no good.
could you get steve @ stadtlers to post up graphs of before and after prefereably on the same dyno if they had them so we can see the power crves and how they have changed
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Im fairly new with all this tech stuff whats the hybrid thing all about i need to swat up on all of this :confused: ????
It takes a while and lots of people know a lot more than me, but, its all about taking a standard KO4 (or any other turbo) and modifying it with different parts from different turbos and modifying the standard turbo parts to create the 'hybrid'.
Not sure how the KO4 is modded but usually it will be things like bigger compressor housings etc etc.
All turbos will run out of 'puff' at some point where it can't physically produce enough air from the amount of exhaust gas supplied (? I know what I mean but somebody can explain better). Andy Forrests Subaru website explains all this a damn site better than I can.
I think the ED30 KO4 runs out at 350ish BHP not sure what the PSI is?
The other option is something like an APR stage 3 with a Garrett GT2871R which needs a new exhaust manifold.
Whereas, I am now guessing, the hybrid KO4 can use the standard one?
Anybody like to ellaborate and correct me as I sure I am wrong in some places.
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Update....
There has been a Revo stage 2+ car on Stattlers rollers too now.....with the normal K04. This was checked out as healthy and with no running issues like pressure leaks etc. It made 327bhp and 320lbft on their rollers. That would be an increase of 70+bhp and 60+lbft for the Hybrid :happy2:
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Thsts good power, steves car is quick when he took me out in it :driver:
hmmm im there on wednesday i might have my car put on the rollers aswell
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Update....
There has been a Revo stage 2+ car on Stattlers rollers too now.....with the normal K04. This was checked out as healthy and with no running issues like pressure leaks etc. It made 327bhp and 320lbft on their rollers. That would be an increase of 70+bhp and 60+lbft for the Hybrid :happy2:
So their rollers are up and running at last then John? :pomppomp: Have to say that 327bhp sounds a bit low for a Stage 2+ car and I thought you said Steve's car ran 400bhp on the same rollers as you went on (ie Nobbles?) :confused:
Steve's car is quick for sure, but it was no way 70bhp quicker than mine (or any Stage 2+ DSG KO4 for that matter) at Inters. Especially as mine must of been running a gamillion oC intake temps at the time too :scared:)
Your first post sounds about bang on though, around 30bhp gain. That for me makes it well worth while..
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30bhp gain. That for me makes it well worth while..
That 30bhp is gonna cost circa £2k over S2+ though. I personally don't think its worth that. In addition, if you come to sell the car, stripping it back to get some of your money back from the mods wont happen as the car probably wont run well with a hybrid turbo and code without all the other mods.
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30bhp gain. That for me makes it well worth while..
That 30bhp is gonna cost circa £2k over S2+ though. I personally don't think its worth that. In addition, if you come to sell the car, stripping it back to get some of your money back from the mods wont happen as the car probably wont run well with a hybrid turbo and code without all the other mods.
Now then stranger, where you been? :laugh: I take it the car has gone now? Replacement?
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If you want to hit 400 bhp I think the hybrid is the best way to do it.
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30bhp gain. That for me makes it well worth while..
That 30bhp is gonna cost circa £2k over S2+ though. I personally don't think its worth that. In addition, if you come to sell the car, stripping it back to get some of your money back from the mods wont happen as the car probably wont run well with a hybrid turbo and code without all the other mods.
Now then stranger, where you been? :laugh: I take it the car has gone now? Replacement?
Its vag and got a k04 :wink: :laugh: I had a blast against him at Crail 1/4 mile 2 sundays ago :happy2:
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Update....
There has been a Revo stage 2+ car on Stattlers rollers too now.....with the normal K04. This was checked out as healthy and with no running issues like pressure leaks etc. It made 327bhp and 320lbft on their rollers. That would be an increase of 70+bhp and 60+lbft for the Hybrid :happy2:
So their rollers are up and running at last then John? :pomppomp: Have to say that 327bhp sounds a bit low for a Stage 2+ car and I thought you said Steve's car ran 400bhp on the same rollers as you went on (ie Nobbles?) :confused:
Steve's car is quick for sure, but it was no way 70bhp quicker than mine (or any Stage 2+ DSG KO4 for that matter) at Inters. Especially as mine must of been running a gamillion oC intake temps at the time too :scared:)
Your first post sounds about bang on though, around 30bhp gain. That for me makes it well worth while..
What you don't realise Ben is that Steve was running a pump file at Inters and the pump file ran 372bhp on his rollers. The race file is the one that hits 400+bhp :wink:
Their rollers seem to be putting down similar figures to the dyno Dynamics rollers, so 340bhp for a stage 2+ would seem about right and 355 for yours would probably be on the money too Ben. :happy2:
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Wish mines was making those kind of figures on my pump and race files :signLOL:
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30bhp gain. That for me makes it well worth while..
That 30bhp is gonna cost circa £2k over S2+ though. I personally don't think its worth that. In addition, if you come to sell the car, stripping it back to get some of your money back from the mods wont happen as the car probably wont run well with a hybrid turbo and code without all the other mods.
Now then stranger, where you been? :laugh: I take it the car has gone now? Replacement?
Its vag and got a k04 :wink: :laugh: I had a blast against him at Crail 1/4 mile 2 sundays ago :happy2:
TTS Or S3 i'd say?
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Nope its 2wd and got a seat badge again!!!
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:signLOL:
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:signLOL: You're joking.. Do we get anymore details, or is it just his old one still?
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Been down to Statllers again today as Gojinder was down there having a dyno session. After fiddling with the REVO settings he managed a run of 341.6bhp and 320 lbft (revo stage 2+) The settings were altered substantially as he was having huuge boost at first and then nothing up top giving him results of 312bhp. The 341.6bhp was the best result he had, so this makes the Hybrid K04 on the same rollers quite a tasty proposition...... :driver:
Oh and Ben - Steve said that when he went against you at Inters on the pump file he was two up with a full interior, luggage in the boot and the fat guy in the passenger seat was over 16 stone :signLOL:
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Oh it was definately a quicker car John and I was taking into account that he was 2 up (I was road trim too). I just wouldn't of said it was 70bhp different at the time, but different map obviously.. :wink:
Be very interested to see what it runs now? Mid to low 12's anyone :surprised:
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Didnt know until today stattlers had an rr, will get steve to have a look at the map then if he has time, now until Friday/weekend seen as though my cars sat there.
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Was good to see you today Hurdy and thanks for the tips on droping the boost and timing :) and steve :)
Yeah my car was having some boot issues on the first dyno run, but it seems okay now, it seems to rev more freely and harder towards the top end
Saw your car there aswell robh :)
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No worries Gojinder :happy2: You should be in good shape for the next RR day now :driver:
RobH - Steve has spent a load of wonga on the latest dyno software and even flew out the software designer from Germany to make sure that the Dyno runs spot on. Generally speaking it looks like it reads similar to a Dyno Dynamics roller for power, but with lower torque figures.
Steve is having some more software files from GIAC for the hybrid soon as he thinks there is still a little more power to be extruded from the turbo on both pump and race files. :evilgrin:
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thats one very nice power curve :happy2:
is there a torque one John? (which may indicate how the car drives)
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Didnt know until today stattlers had an rr, will get steve to have a look at the map then if he has time, now until Friday/weekend seen as though my cars sat there.
What you getting done Rob? You're going on Sat aren't you? :party:
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Didnt know until today stattlers had an rr, will get steve to have a look at the map then if he has time, now until Friday/weekend seen as though my cars sat there.
What you getting done Rob? You're going on Sat aren't you? :party:
It's a secret :laugh:
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Didnt know until today stattlers had an rr, will get steve to have a look at the map then if he has time, now until Friday/weekend seen as though my cars sat there.
What you getting done Rob? You're going on Sat aren't you? :party:
It's a secret :laugh:
There are no secrets on here - all comes out in the end :signLOL:
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:signLOL: You're joking.. Do we get anymore details, or is it just his old one still?
Its blue :grin: :signLOL:
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@ Toast, read what DomT has put lol
There aren't any secret's on here.
So what's Horace got :party: :signLOL:
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2wd, blue, seat???.........Is it an arosa andy????
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2wd, blue, seat???.........Is it an arosa andy????
Aww game set n match Stevie :signLOL: :happy2:
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Hybrid arosa! :surprised:
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:stupid: :signLOL:
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thats one very nice power curve :happy2:
is there a torque one John? (which may indicate how the car drives)
Torque is on the graph I've posted (albeit faint!) :laugh:
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thats one very nice power curve :happy2:
is there a torque one John? (which may indicate how the car drives)
Torque is on the graph I've posted (albeit faint!) :laugh:
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thats one very nice power curve :happy2:
is there a torque one John? (which may indicate how the car drives)
drives great :driver:
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Have you got the Forge Twintercooler on yet Craig? :jumping:
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Have you got the Forge Twintercooler on yet Craig? :jumping:
not yet may be at weekend !maybe more to come ???watch this space :evilgrin:
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Have you got the Forge Twintercooler on yet Craig? :jumping:
not yet may be at weekend !maybe more to come ???watch this space :evilgrin:
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Have you got the Forge Twintercooler on yet Craig? :jumping:
not yet may be at weekend !maybe more to come ???watch this space :evilgrin:
:party: :party:
be good to see bit of your old girl live on mate .Think the s3 cooler may need sum help now !! :jumping: :jumping: :jumping:
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Was good to see you today Hurdy and thanks for the tips on droping the boost and timing :) and steve :)
Yeah my car was having some boot issues on the first dyno run, but it seems okay now, it seems to rev more freely and harder towards the top end
Saw your car there aswell robh :)
soon will have same bhp a me mate ! :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin:
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Didnt know until today stattlers had an rr, will get steve to have a look at the map then if he has time, now until Friday/weekend seen as though my cars sat there.
What you getting done Rob? You're going on Sat aren't you? :party:
BSH engine mounts, coillies , Decat and boring stuff like service etc. Yeah ill be there on Sat :happy2: