MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Sat Nav and Car Audio => Topic started by: flyboy1976 on October 02, 2010, 12:30:09 am
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Guys this one beats me totally. my RNS 510 version B works fine with my version B skoda bluetooth. When i installed a Version C RNS into my car it kept on throwing a fault code under controller 77 (Telephone) which said 'Open Circuit'on the microphone. Plug the version B back in and it works fine, yet if you use the version C the Mic doesnt work and you get a fault code as mentioned above! so when you make a call no one can hear you.....this one has stumped me. I have voice activation enabled on s/w 2720 that im running on my version B unit and i have treid x2 version C's (one with 2680 the other with 2720) and they both have the same issue but the version B works a treat no fault codes and Mic works as you would assume it to. Do the Version C's have a different pin config on the telephone (green) socket compaired to the older units? it acts as if i dont have the mic connected up when i plug in any Version C unit into my car. I have made sure it is coded correctly as per the version B but im at a total loss on this one! please help guys. the voice command works fine on both units as well, its just when making or receiving calls you can hear the other person but they cant hear you!!!!! HELP!!!!
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I don't know what to suggest other than teaching you how to suck eggs and say are you resetting the c versions after coding? Sorry if you already have tried this?
I know how frustrating it is trying to fathom something out when it seems so easy, but there is possibly something very simple you have just over looked but without seeing the car its hard to say what it might be, but would certainly put it down to the units.
Darren
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yeah did that as i changed the displays from highline to sportsline. it just throws a code 'open circuit' microphone and the mic doesnt work when making or receiving calls, but only on version c units! is there something in the adaption of controller 37/56that im missing? thanks darren in advance. maybe vrscarl has an idea or cameluk?
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The other suck eggs question is have you got it wired for Voice?
Perhaps worth posting up the coding of 56 & 77.
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was just emailing you stu. coding for 77 telephone is set to 0000322 and long coding on controller 37/56 is set to: 04 00 04 02 04 00 00 10 00. the unit is wired from mic into pins 1 and 7 (in) then from 4 and 9 (out) into BT module pins 11 and 12, works no probs on version B but plug a version C in and it throws an open circuit fault code for the microphone under controller 77 and basically the mic only works for voice activation but not for the phone! help!!!! not that its relevant but i am using the latest gateway. also it makes no difference if i enable or disable microphone diagnostics either, still same problem persists. the only thing i havent got activated or checked is this: http://www.my-gti.com/wp-content/uploads/vw_rns_510_vcds_coding_4.jpg
The problem to me seems like the BT module is picking up a fault between pins 11 and 12 on the BT and not talking to pins 4 and 9 on the sat nav....its as if i havent plugged them in, i checked all connections and they are good, im sure its something with the adaption that you need to activate to tell the sat nav that you are using pins 4 and 9 for microphone, this is my theory.....anyone?
what are shortpress steering wheel buttons exactly? is this mk6 related as i have the later type MFSW controls (i currently have this option unchecked)
i have MFSW / HIGHLINE / and Skoda BT version B for red dot DIS
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I've replied to your PM Mate :happy2:
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What about the coding for microphone diagnostics?
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yeah i checked the microphone diagnostics box and made sure it was checked when i put the C's in......im baffled. in my honest opinion its as if the pin config is different on version C's for BT as voice activation works fine, can anyone confirm this please.
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Can some one tell me what pins on a late version c are used for mic out+ and mic out- please post picture of the units wiring pins config which is ontop of the unit next to the part number please
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My gut feeling is a wiring fault but it's odd that it works ok with a B version. I didn't think the pin outs changed.
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^^^ No problems with mine going from a B to C, so I know the pins haven't moved :happy2:
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yeah i tried x2 version C units, one with 2680 and the other with 2720 so im lost. my Mic wire has had the proper vw repair wires soldered with shrink wrap attached to the mic lead so basically you have the Mic wire coming from the Mic straight into pins 1 and 7 which is voice activation for the rns 510. Then coming out of pins 4 and 9 into the bluetooth wiring plug pins 11 and 12, i have checked all the connections and they are good. I have the original harness in the car and attached to that is a plug and play harness for the bluetooth (skoda version B) then i have my kufatec MDI plug and play lead attached to that, which goes direct into the back of the sat nav. Guys what on earth am i missing? :fighting:
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Take the MDI out and see if that works? then take the Bluetooth P&P harness out and plug the green phone connector into the origin car loom and see if the voice control works??
Just try and single some thing out? other than that and its a big coincidence but you could have 2 duff C version units???
Darren
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voice control works sweet darren its just when making or receiving calls the mic is dead! as if its not connected but any commands you give the sat nav via voice command work fine. :drinking:
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If Nav Voice works then you know the connection to the RNS is fine, so you should concentrate on the phone section of it.
Try 000402 on your 77.
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what will 0000 402 do stu? i know by changing the 4 to a 3 makes the star button go from bluetooth command to voice command but if i change the x on 00 00 4x2 from 2 to 0 what does that adjust please. also i noticed that under adaption channel 137 was set to 0 on mine, i have set it now to 1 but have no clue what it does??? anyone?
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Have you tried the 402?
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4 - MFSW and Nav unit with CAN
0 - Voice control off or via external device (Ring any alarm bells??)
2 - English Language Display
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tried 422 no result, but would like to replicate the issue on my version B.....at least i then have a starting point lol neither version C unit i tried had access to the hidden menu screens but i didnt know at the time how to access the adaption but found out how to enable it today but im not sure that would have any bearing over it..... would it?
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Not sure anything would be gained from the hidden menu.
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ok just adjusted to 402, i dont have the unit to hand to try but its gotten rid of the bluetooth womans voice (by adjusting 422 to 402) who shouts at you when you select a phonebook entry from the DIS saying '' the number is being dialled'' which i really appreciate, as its drove me nuts for ages and by using the 4 or the 3 makes no difference stu.....should it???? , so i have taken your advice and set it to 4.....i know i havent got it resolved but......
BIG thanks to all you guys on here, stu, darren and carl......big thanks with all the help! :happy2:
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I would go with the 402 to start with. Put the RNS back in and let us know how it goes.
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will do, thanks again....one last thing that i have a glitch with is when i make a call to someone via the DIS (i have red dot) and we are in-call, i cannot select one of the other screens on the DIS! it flicks straight back to the call im in..... and back to the display saying ''''''calling xxxxx7584'' etc yet other times its ok and allows you to select the MFD, AUDIO or NAV displays! any ideas?
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The only time i have encountered that sort of error before is with a firmware that had been modified incorrectly. Usually only with Skoda's though as the PQTable.fli and SKTable.fli files are swapped to get MFSW & Maxidot to work. If it's intermittent i can't see it being that though.
What Firmware is the C version one's on?
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One was on 2680 and the other was on 2720 both 2010 models
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Ok this is a long shot but update the firmware to 2760 on the C verisons.
Reason being is i vaguely remember reading somewhere about problems with Voice Control/Calling with Skoda B modules with Version C nav's not running 2760.
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Have you plugged one in yet to test the new coding??
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no afraid not! got to go back to the seller and try it.....he has a version B on 2680 so i will try that as well. You dont recon that the other two units (C's) (which i presume are on original software) have to have the software from my-gti.com on them as i have used 2720 and 2760 which i got both from that website. I was wondering if the software online has been adapted somehow differently, as both version C's the seller had wouldnt activate the secret menu by holding down the setup button whereas i know the software online (from my-gti.com) has that adaption already written into the software so its enabled one the upgrade is complete without having to enable it in VCDS. I know i might be clutching at straws but im open to all and any suggestions at this stage.
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Try the 2760 firmware I PM'd you with the other day. :happy2:
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Guys i checked the wiring today and its all spot on! I was very thorough and made sure all my polarities were ok and they were. Does anyone have a 2010 version C which they can take a picture of the wiring diagram on the top of the unit for me please. Could it possibly be dodgy firnware loaded onto both units i tried. Can anyone help me further please. :sad1:
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I had this saved from when i fitted it to mine. Might be of use:
http://www.carsystems.pl/pages/pl/left-menu/support/bluetooth/1z0-035-729-b.php
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I had this saved from when i fitted it to mine. Might be of use:
http://www.carsystems.pl/pages/pl/left-menu/support/bluetooth/1z0-035-729-b.php
I've had to have words with these guys before for taking info from my websites, they only stopped using my pictures when I watermarked them -
If you have a car fitted with the Multi Function Steering Wheel it is possible to modify the coding so that you can use the Mute button on the steering wheel to activate the voice dialling function of the installed telephone system.
Using VAG-COM open Controller 16 - Steering and select Coding 07.
You should see a 7 digit softcode which will be in the format 00xxxxx
The 4th digit from the right corresponds to the steering wheel variant. If you have a 4 spoke MFSW without the Cruise Control buttons it should be a 2. Change this to a 3 and that should convert your Mute button to activate the Voice Dialling.
If you have a car fitted with the Multi Function Steering Wheel it is possible to modify the coding so that you can use the Mute button on the steering wheel to activate the voice dialling function of the installed telephone system.
Using VAG-COM open Controller 16 - Steering and select Coding 07.
You should see a 7 digit softcode which will be in the format 00xxxxx
The 4th digit from the right corresponds to the steering wheel variant. If you have a 4 spoke MFSW without the Cruise Control buttons it should be a 2. Change this to a 3 and that should convert your Mute button to activate the Voice Dialling.
http://octavia-vrs.com/cms/content/integrated-bluetooth
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This look familiar too, W@nkers.
http://www.carsystems.pl/pages/pl/left-menu/support/phonebook-and-symbian-nokia.php
Connecting Nokia Symbian Phones
Some of the newer Nokia phones such as the N95 use Symbian Operating System which doesn't seem to like interfacing with Car Kits in general. There is a workaround which will allow you to view contacts on your Maxidot or RNS510 if fitted.
1. Download Nokia 810 Contact Download Application for Nokia S60 3rd edition devices and install it using Nokia PC Suite.
2. Remove all pairing to the car kit from the phone.
3. Make sure Bluetooth is turned off on the phone.
4. Sit in the car with the ignition on so that the Bluetooth kit is switched on.
5. Run the Contact Download Application on the phone.
6. Follow the prompts to enable the Bluetooth and connect to the car.
7. The contacts will be transferred to the car, this may take a couple of minutes.
Sadly it doesn't provide the dialled, received and missed calls list but at least you'll have some functionality.
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Guys i checked the wiring today and its all spot on! I was very thorough and made sure all my polarities were ok and they were. Does anyone have a 2010 version C which they can take a picture of the wiring diagram on the top of the unit for me please. Could it possibly be dodgy firnware loaded onto both units i tried. Can anyone help me further please. :sad1:
I don't know that we can go much further until you get a unit installed and try the coding.
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Going to try another pair of version C's today so fingers crossed. Any other suggestions folks? :signLOL:
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Just keep us posted.
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Now this is messed up! Problemo solved
i disconnected the mdi kufatec lead so it was just the oem harness and my bluetooth harness and it worked. plugged it back in again and it worked also. But before i done this i deactivated aux monitoring in vcds under controller 37. Weird this was but all sorted now however the company i went to see said dodgy connection! On a kufatec lead?
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Is this with the 77 code I told you to use??
What happens if you put 77 back to the code you previously had?
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Na coding made no difference! but glad ive got it sorted though. cheers you guys have been very helpful....thanks so much :notworthy:
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Glad you got it sorted mate :happy2:
Always the simplest of things that stump people for ages