MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Sat Nav and Car Audio => Topic started by: MPS on October 04, 2010, 04:41:09 pm
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Hi all,
Lets see if anyone on here can clarify something for me, basically I own a 55 plate GTI, with the F revision CAN gateway. I know this needs updating to overcome the battery drain issue when I come to fit my RCD510. I've bought an 'S' revision gateway off ebay that came off an Octavia, but I'm now not sure if it's recent enough to work. (The latest version is AD methinks)
My main reason for confusion is the advice on the site below, which contradicts itself.
http://www.my-gti.com/1101/upgrading-2nd-generation-radios-rcd-300-rcd-500-to-3rd-generation-rcd-210-rcd-310-rns-310-rcd-510-power-drain-issue (http://www.my-gti.com/1101/upgrading-2nd-generation-radios-rcd-300-rcd-500-to-3rd-generation-rcd-210-rcd-310-rns-310-rcd-510-power-drain-issue)
As you can see, on one line it says, "The problem is the CAN bus Gateway is too old and an updated version 1k0907530 (1k0 907 530) of L revision or higher is required"
then further down on the same page, the contradiction -
Check the ‘Skoda Parts’ link (right hand menu) for a reasonably priced gateway. Revisions that will work after the 1K0 907 530 S (1K0907530S) revision include 1K0 907 530 AA (1K0907530AA), 1K0 907 530 AB (1K0907530AB) and 1K0 907 530 AC (1K0907530AC).
Now, I don't know about them, but in my alphabet, S comes after L?
Anybody used an S revision gateway and can confirm it solves the problem?
Thanks
Matt :happy2:
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If not, I've just wasted £40!! :sad: :sad1:
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VAG don't always follow alphabet convention with part numbers, so it doesn't follow that the later the letter the later the revision.
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oookay. :scared:
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im fairly confident revision 'S' should be fine....latest revision is 'AD' IIRC
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Just spent 1 hour trying to get this lil b@*tard out but no joy, I CAN see it though, in the most AWKWARD place ever, above the damn pedals, and absolutely everything is in the way, aircon ducting and everything else!! Especially when you've got big hands like me... It doesn't help either when your 6'4" trying to slot yourself into the footwell, your back ends up on the sill and it's torture after 5 minutes! :sad: :grin: So all you lanky barstewards beware! :grin:
Oh well, I'll try again tomorrow. I think performing heart surgery would be an easier task than this!
Could do with finding myself a dwarf mechanic with spindly arms and hands to reach the can gateway :grin:
Cheers for now and thanks for the replies!
Matt
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matt look on the steering column there is a black bar held in by 2 bolts, take this out and you will have better access. Personally i strip all the plastics from round the steering column when i've done them, easier than ripping your hand to bits.
By the way I have a S revision gateway and it works perfectly never had the battery drain.
Cheers
Darren
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Darren
Thanks a million for the advice mate, :happy2: I'll try your suggestion when I get in from work later. What a relief to know that the S revision works, I only payed £40 for it as well! :smiley:
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matt look on the steering column there is a black bar held in by 2 bolts, take this out and you will have better access.
Cheers
Darren
Darren, this black bar you're talking about, is it the ducting pipe for the footwell ventilation?
Thanks
Matt
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Impossible. Anyone want an RCD510? :laugh:
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I wonder if it could be easier got at by removing the side fusebox? Looks like an easy remove with 2 Torx screws....
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LOL i just did this on Sunday, i just bought the AD version from VAG.
At one point i did get my hand stuck between the steering column and the clutch peddle but i did manage to pull out the old gateway and get the new one in.
The best way to get at it is to remove the little storage compartment and then unsrew the vent pipe as detailed earlier. It is a real hastle and i think i took about 2 hours hanging upside down...
The best part of doing this change over was having VAGCOM not managed to code the gateway....
It just came up with an error 22 code, it took me hours to work out how to sort it but i did manage to get it done.
Just need to hook up my MDI now..
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Would that be the little flip down compartment nearest the door? Does this unscrew? Can you reach your arm through there to get access to the can gateway? I have tried putting my hand up through the pedals from underneath and I can touch the plug on the gateway but I can't grip it to pull it out!
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Yes, the compartment just pulls off and then you can get at the screw for the vent pipe.
You don't get clear access to the gateway but it helps.
The two clip parts of the gateway are held open with a tab on the bracket taht they push into, i use a long screwdriver to bend them out of the way and then push the tabs out of the bracket. Its then one hand up between the steering column and the clutch peedle + the screw driver in the free hand to release the multiplug from the gateway. Use the screwdriver to push in the locking tab on the multiplug. It is a real pain to do but not impossible. A good tip is have a good light source to see what you are doing, i had a large maglite which didn't always help. I really needed 2 pairs of hands.
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Thankyou SOOO much for the advice, :notworthy: I will try again tomorrow and let you know how I get on. Yes it definitely seems like a job where 4 hands are needed! I've just thought it is probably an easier job with the DSG model as you only have 2 pedals so more space to work!
Cheers
Matt :happy2:
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Another thing I noticed the gateway seems to perch on a bracket which can be tilted downwards very easily, they obviously didn't screw it down tight from factory. Doing that probably won't make the job any easier though :grin:
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No problem!!
Just make sure you take screen shots of the current coding of the gateway including the long coding screen :wink:
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Yep, done that already, followed the guide on my-gti.com! :happy2:
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Another thing I noticed the gateway seems to perch on a bracket which can be tilted downwards very easily, they obviously didn't screw it down tight from factory. Doing that probably won't make the job any easier though :grin:
Yes it just clips onto a metal bracket above the clutch peddle, make sure it is clipped on when you try to push out the gateway from the bracket.
At one point when i was doing mine i did try to pull it off completely but it attached better on the right hand side. :confused:
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Matt no its an actual metal bar which is shaped at one side and flat on the other so it can be bolted to the s/rack.
The only other easy way to do it is by taking the plastic trim from either side of the steering column, basically so all the plastic trim is out. If you sit in the car and look forward of your left knee its directly behind that panel.
It makes it harder once you have hold of it cos there is no play in the harness!!!
Darren
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Quick update, stripped the dash right down, taken the right hand panel off surrounding the lower part of the steering column, just need a right angled tool to take the remaining T20 screw out from near the ashtray then the left hand panel will come out easy (I hope)
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Tricky little sucka eh.
Maybe post a picture up so someone could more easily describe what to strip out.
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Sorted, Canbus Gateway now swapped, easy when the dash panels surrounding the steering wheel are removed! Got another problem now though, I'm doing an MDI armrest install and after routing the mdi lead through, I've found it isn't long enough! :confused: :scared: :sad: It needs to be about 10cm longer at the very most and then It would be fine! I can't believe it's too short, I wonder if the lead was only meant to be used in conjunction with the glovebox mounted MDI instead?
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I have read a post of someone getting this to work :confused: I did think the wiring was a bit on the short side.
I finished off fitting my MDI this morning, what a pain. I took out the clove box and it has 4 electrical connection and the aircon pipe.
Got it all fitted and working now :jumpmove:
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Yes the difference with mine though is: the mdi lead isn't long enough to be able to plug the quadlock into the back of the radio as well. Bloody hopeless, I bought it from a German ebay shop, I would probably have been better making the lead myself!
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chop shop
Extend the wires to your desired length if your handy with a soldering iron and shrink tubing :happy2:
Darren
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it should be just about long enough are you talking about this lead:
http://www.kufatec.de/shop/product_info.php/info/p1113_c26_MEDIA-IN-MDI-Interface---Harness---VW-Golf-5.html
it should be routed down the drivers side centre console and along up through the armrest where the cd changer would normally go!
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No, I bought http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310228786869 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310228786869) this one from an ebay store in Germany.
I've taken it out now, I don't think I'll bother with the MDI setup and just use the SD card feature on the RCD510, much less hassle. I'm going to get a refund on the MDI loom as it is not fit for purpose.
I've got the can gateway and radio installed OK now though. The RCD510 is ace and there is a definite improvement in sound quality over the RCD300! :congrats:
I now have a different problem though, I've recoded the CAN gateway Installation List to match the tick boxes from the old gateway but after a fault code scan it gave the following error code
01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded.
What have I done wrong?
Thanks
Matt
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look at your long coding under radio...copy and paste it for me or tell me what items you have or havent got selected what do you have on your car? mfsw? highline?
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Long Coding under Radio is: 0000040004
No MFSW or Highline dash.
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break down what is what for me, what do you have checked or unchecked?
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Channel 56 - Radio - Long Coding helper
Byte 0:
Bit 0: AUX-IN access restricted - unticked
Bit 1: CD-Changer/ipod/USB Connection Monitoring active - unticked
Bit 2: AUX-IN connection monitoring active - unticked
Bit 3: Parking Aid installed - unticked
Byte 1:
Bit 0-7: 00 Sound system not installed
Byte 2:
Bit 0-7: 04 4 Speaker Channels (2 Passive speakers each front and rear)
Byte 3:
Bit 0: Shortpress steering wheel buttons installed - unticked
Bit 1: Telephone OR Telephone Preparation (CAN) installed - unticked
Bit 6: Back-up camera installed - unticked
Byte 4:
Bit 0-7: 04 Treble Speaker monitoring for front & rear speakers active
HTH,
Matt :happy2:
P.S. Here is screen capture of the fault code from Channel 19 - CAN Gateway
Sunday,10,October,2010,11:37:50:13314
VCDS Version: Release 908.0
Address 19: CAN Gateway Labels: 1K0-907-530.lbl
Control Module Part Number: 1K0 907 530 S HW: 1K0 907 951
Component and/or Version: J533 Gateway H07 0071
Software Coding: C9817F06000202000003
Work Shop Code: WSC 28022 210 90954
Fault Codes have been Erased
1 Fault Found:
01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded
000 - -
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100000
Fault Priority: 1
Fault Frequency: 1
Mileage: 88943 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 11:37:50
Thanks
Matt
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thats your gateway thats coded incorrectly, something is slightly different with the S version to the previous version you had installed???? you could copy and paste the long coding from the gateway in the same fashion and i will take a look for you.
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was the gateway purchased second-hand?
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The Gateway was bought off ebay, supposedly new according to the seller and it came in the original vw parts box so probably is.
The long coding from the Gateway is: C9817F06000202000003
Thanks!
You cant copy the long coding string from the old gateway either can you cause there are more bytes in the S revision.
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:scared: :scared: :surprised: I think it's draining my battery as well :scared:
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revision S shouldnt drain your battery. break down that long coding for me please.
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and what car is it on? GTi? R32? 3 door or 5 door?
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The car is a 5 door GTI on a 55 plate.
Is there a quicker way for me to copy the data from each individual screen, I've been typing it manually cause it won't let me copy and paste.
I'm running VCDS 908, for the record.
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PM'd
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Replied! :happy2:
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You could do a series of screen shots.
I have also coded controllers via MSN remote admin before. :signLOL: