MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: RobMKV on February 09, 2009, 09:53:53 am
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Come on then i know theres a few of you have done this move is it worth it then?
Im tempted its just the R32's are so cheap now also hmm :confused:
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I have driven both normal GTI's and owned an ED30. The only reason the ED30 appealed to me more was because of the 'exclusivity' at the time and the KO4 turbo. In essence there is not a lot of difference between the cars but being able to map it to 300 BHP was a big plus over the normal GTI for me personally.
Looking back at it now the car needs a considerable amount of money spending on it to be able to use the power effectively day to day. Quaife, Coilovers, ARB's and brakes are a must IMO. I had all the engine mods, CAI, TBE exhaust, HPFP and Stage 2+ map, don't get me wrong it is the best car I have owned by a long shot but the power was not really useable below 60 :surprised: I was having wheelspin at 80mph in adverse weather conditions which was fun for a while but it started to get tiresome :wink:
I think coming form yours Rob which is a nicely modified example, you will not notice an awful lot of difference between the ED30 and GTI day to day. To be more specific, you will not be able to use the extra power available...well you can, but your getting to 100+ licence losing territory speed before you notice a massive difference.
Now the R32 is a massively tempting prospect at the moment because of the price like you mentioned and I gotta say I am being tempted by them. I think if I was you personally I would go for the R32, I know you have had a fair few GTI's, if you went for an ED30 you are effectively buying the same car as you currently have, the only big difference is the bigger turbo and strengthened block. If you went for the R32 you would save some money (which you could put towards a turbo fund :evilgrin:) and you would have a completely different car to your last few, 4WD, V6 soundtrack etc etc.
Hope this helps :happy2:
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Come on then i know theres a few of you have done this move is it worth it then?
Im tempted its just the R32's are so cheap now also hmm :confused:
Wanna buy mine Rob? :wink:
If your budget can stretch to an ED30 then do it mate :happy2:
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Come on then i know theres a few of you have done this move is it worth it then?
Im tempted its just the R32's are so cheap now also hmm :confused:
Wanna buy mine Rob? :wink:
If your budget can stretch to an ED30 then do it mate :happy2:
:grin: :grin: :grin: MMmm Hey Nath are you alwhite. :wink:
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Well think ive sold mine and found a nice Manual ED30, Xenons Heated seats at a very good Price.
I think R32s sound great after having a MK4 for a week abit ago, but not sure if i would would missthe Turbo kick of the GTi/ED30, the only mods i would prob do to ED30 is Map, Exhaust and Sportlines,
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sold it already? i guess the wheels are going on the new on?
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Looking back at it now the car needs a considerable amount of money spending on it to be able to use the power effectively day to day. Quaife, Coilovers, ARB's and brakes are a must IMO. I had all the engine mods, CAI, TBE exhaust, HPFP and Stage 2+ map, don't get me wrong it is the best car I have owned by a long shot but the power was not really useable below 60 :surprised: I was having wheelspin at 80mph in adverse weather conditions which was fun for a while but it started to get tiresome :wink:
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Totally agree :grin:
Roll on some good dry weather because i can't get any traction atm.
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Well think ive sold mine and found a nice Manual ED30, Xenons Heated seats at a very good Price.
I think R32s sound great after having a MK4 for a week abit ago, but not sure if i would would missthe Turbo kick of the GTi/ED30, the only mods i would prob do to ED30 is Map, Exhaust and Sportlines,
You've done the right thing... I have an Ed30 and out of nostalgia, bought an R32 for the wife, V6 soundtrack and all that.. now tbh, the R32 feels sluggish compared to my remapped Ed30 and I don't think it even sounds as good as the Ed30 with a Non-Res Milltek :surprised:
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Looking back at it now the car needs a considerable amount of money spending on it to be able to use the power effectively day to day. Quaife, Coilovers, ARB's and brakes are a must IMO. I had all the engine mods, CAI, TBE exhaust, HPFP and Stage 2+ map, don't get me wrong it is the best car I have owned by a long shot but the power was not really useable below 60 :surprised: I was having wheelspin at 80mph in adverse weather conditions which was fun for a while but it started to get tiresome :wink:
Totally agree :grin:
Roll on some good dry weather because i can't get any traction atm.
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If you spare the money, get a quaife fitted... I have 350/360bhp going through the front wheels on my Ed30 and don't get much wheel spin at all anymore after getting a quaife fitted.
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Totally agree :grin:
Roll on some good dry weather because i can't get any traction atm.
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If you spare the money, get a quaife fitted... I have 350/360bhp going through the front wheels on my Ed30 and don't get much wheel spin at all anymore after getting a quaife fitted.
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How much was that Mate?
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both great cars, so you cant go wrong tbh :happy2:
ED30 is getting common too, would have suggest a pirelli for rarity value + few tasteful mods.
R32 , an awesome deal at the moment , if you are happy at that bhp level (pending £££££ for an HPA kit)
I reckon it was the M6Toll (brief blasts up to the legal limit of course :wink:) that persuaded you that more hp was on order :grin: :driver:
Whatever you choose, a change is always fun :drinking:
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Having not driven an ED30 / R32 modded or otherwise i cant comment performance etc. What i would take into consideration though is the running costs and tuning potential (at reasonable money) of the 2 cars..... ED30 wins on both counts :smiley:
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If you spare the money, get a quaife fitted... I have 350/360bhp going through the front wheels on my Ed30 and don't get much wheel spin at all anymore after getting a quaife fitted.
How much was that Mate?
....Supply and install incl vat - About £1,500 for DSG version and £1,200 for Manual. Not a job for someone who doesn't have experience.
Both illyun and myself had it done by VW Racing - VERY experienced! - Phone Mark at VWR 01908 210088.
HTH
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On the original topic, I think I prefer a fully modded GTI to an Ed30 which clearly delivers a bit too much power to be both practical and stay legal unless you spend lots more.
R32 V6 would be very tempting but probably tricky to sell on one day (usually soon in your case, Rob!).
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If you spare the money, get a quaife fitted... I have 350/360bhp going through the front wheels on my Ed30 and don't get much wheel spin at all anymore after getting a quaife fitted.
How much was that Mate?
....Supply and install incl vat - About £1,500 for DSG version and £1,200 for Manual. Not a job for someone who doesn't have experience.
Both illyun and myself had it done by VW Racing - VERY experienced! - Phone Mark at VWR 01908 210088.
HTH
Me too.. :happy2:
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Of course! Sorry, Jonny, I forgot!
That sig you have is awesome! It says it all :happy2:
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well i can happily say i've driven the mk5 gti, the ed30 and the r32 back to back before i bought my mk4 r32 (at the time the mk5 wasn't available in candy, the moment i could get it i got it so now have a mk5 as well)
my honest opinion, if you want a power get the ed30, cheaper to tune
if you want a bigger soundtrack get the r32, but dont be under the illusion theyre affordable to tune, no way.
for a map, induction and zorst you can maybe budget for £600-£800, in the ed30 you'll be looking at up to 50 more horses taking you to around 300bhp. the same in an r32 will gain you maybe 6-10bhp but a smoother and more responsive throttle
to get the REAL power out of the R32 you need to turbo it or charge it, and i would budget a good £5-6k for that privaledge
the mrs has an eos with the gti engine and thats tuned to 243bhp from 195bhp to the point the wheels don't grip the way i want them too, but the performance is 'fun' yet can get annoying sometimes with the loss of traction
the r32 grips AAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL day long and i wuss out of corners before it does, and it loves the wet!
cars depreciate, thats a fact, i lost £5k the second i signed for mine but thats not what its about for me. the deals on the r32 atm are very very good, and theyre not as bad on fuel as you think.
summary, if you want a tuner car, get a gti preferably the ed30 ftw. get an r32 because you want an r32 (and warn your bank manager you like to mod :laugh:)
nuthin like 4 wheel drive and a screaming V6 :happy2:
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If you spare the money, get a quaife fitted... I have 350/360bhp going through the front wheels on my Ed30 and don't get much wheel spin at all anymore after getting a quaife fitted.
How much was that Mate?
....Supply and install incl vat - About £1,500 for DSG version and £1,200 for Manual. Not a job for someone who doesn't have experience.
Both illyun and myself had it done by VW Racing - VERY experienced! - Phone Mark at VWR 01908 210088.
HTH
Thanks, sorry for hijack :embarrassed:
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Wow thanks for all the replies,
It seems the ED30 i was interested is in turning into a bidding war so im staying out of it.
Not sure what to do yet as hopefully if all goes through this week i will be moving house, the new house is 2 miles
from work so it seems a shame to have the car sitting around as i work 6 days a week.
I think my options are -
A) ED30 few tweeks
B) R32
C) Integra DC2 save abit of £££ and do some track days, use the GFs Audi when needed,
Will miss this forum if i decide to go the Honda route though :sad:
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Totally agree :grin:
Roll on some good dry weather because i can't get any traction atm.
If you spare the money, get a quaife fitted... I have 350/360bhp going through the front wheels on my Ed30 and don't get much wheel spin at all anymore after getting a quaife fitted.
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How much was that Mate?
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I got mine done by VWRacing for £1470, although you could possibly get it done under £1400 if you looked elsewhere. I paid the extra because VWR have an excellent record with racing VWs over the past 10 years. Its the cost of some decent aftermarket BBS alloys and a very good investment.
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great read. i like the honest opinions and not biased towards one side.
having only just thought the mk5 may fit the bill for what i'm after (currently have an audi tt 225 model)
wanting something with a bit more rear passenger space and from what i have read, summaries to:
gti - cheapest to buy, and having read around a remap would see a nice 230-240bhp being more realistic and useable
ed30 - still expensive due to limited edition like all golfs. temptation would be to remap as well, but taking the power over the capabilities of the standard setup of front wheel grip etc
r32 - v6 sound, smooth, more of a cruiser, adequate performance with grip
i like mine for the turbo punch, but turbo tuning can get addictive and the quattro i assume works wonder as i don't think about grip as it grips, compared to my previous high revving celica vvtli i had (which was fun)
it's deffo a hard choice. wish mine had more space
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celica, the 2.0T is so much smoother even when remapped than the 1.8T is, you still feel the turbo but just not as .. how to put it .. vicious
Rob, you've had plenty of GTI's so maybe an Ed30/Pirelli model might be the next step but like others have said - they are effectively the same car, one just having slightly more power if you need it - dont you fancy something different, was that your 2nd or 3rd GTI?
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True Neg im not sure an ED30 would be that much of a change plus i would always add the exterior bits on
as i'd miss how my current GTi looks,
Maybe an R32 then theres nothing else i like :confused:
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I though the same, I dont see it being worth the £5k it would probably cost me to change for what would be the same car but maybe less features (mine having all the options too)...
I reckon I will keep hold of mine now as I cant see what I could replace it with just yet. Maybe eventually pass it onto the Mrs and get a mk6 GTI even.. who know.
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Or a R20?............
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Or you could keep your GTI and fit an ED30 turbo :wink:
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Or you could keep your GTI and fit an ED30 turbo :wink:
shameless plug :rolleye:
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Or you could keep your GTI and fit an ED30 turbo :wink:
shameless plug :rolleye:
Yep! :grin:
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How much more costly is the R32 to generally run and maintain over the ED30 though?
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How much more costly is the R32 to generally run and maintain over the ED30 though?
TBH I don't think there is a huge difference between the two. I had a highly tuned ED30 and my overall average was 24mpg. I can't see an R32 being any lower than that to be honest :happy2:
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How much more costly is the R32 to generally run and maintain over the ED30 though?
TBH I don't think there is a huge difference between the two. I had a highly tuned ED30 and my overall average was 24mpg. I can't see an R32 being any lower than that to be honest :happy2:
Yes but if you had a R32 the overall average would be 16. :rolleye:
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I had an 05 Gti for 2 yrs and have an 07 Edition 30 now, only really wanted the Edition 30 for its track day tunning potential, even before the mods the E 30 was doing 4/5 seconds a lap quicker round Snetterton (haven't done Snett with the LSD yet). The only thing I do notice is the Turbo kicking in later on the E 30, (2200 compaired to 1800) and sometimes a bit more lag than I can remember having before.
Also its quite nice having a limited edition car even though they made a few to many.
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Neil
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How much more costly is the R32 to generally run and maintain over the ED30 though?
TBH I don't think there is a huge difference between the two. I had a highly tuned ED30 and my overall average was 24mpg. I can't see an R32 being any lower than that to be honest :happy2:
Yes but if you had a R32 the overall average would be 16. :rolleye:
Probably true. I managed to get 21mpg out of the dieseasel on the way home from work last night. I hate to think what it would have been like in an R32 :grin:
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wierd how the CO's look a lot smaller than the Monza's - probably made worse by the left hander on the E30 pic making the car higher on the side the pic was taken.
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wierd how the CO's look a lot smaller than the Monza's - probably made worse by the left hander on the E30 pic making the car higher on the side the pic was taken.
You dont think it was my fat mate in the passenger seat then :grin:
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(using averages)
well the mk4 r32 was bad on fuel, but i think you'd be surprised with the mk5 version, i achieve 25mpg all day long, 35-40mpg with cruise on the motorway
and ive tried believe me but i can't get it under 18mpg so far, and that's in missile mode too :evilgrin:
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and ive tried believe me but i can't get it under 18mpg so far, and that's in missile mode too :evilgrin:
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WTF!? I had 9 mpg out of my old ED30 in Europe last summer :grin:
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and ive tried believe me but i can't get it under 18mpg so far, and that's in missile mode too :evilgrin:
WTF!? I had 9 mpg out of my old ED30 in Europe last summer :grin:
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maybe it's cos the legs on mine are longer and take longer to stretch between gears than yours :P
either that or i drive like a girl :grin:
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celica, the 2.0T is so much smoother even when remapped than the 1.8T is, you still feel the turbo but just not as .. how to put it .. vicious
Rob, you've had plenty of GTI's so maybe an Ed30/Pirelli model might be the next step but like others have said - they are effectively the same car, one just having slightly more power if you need it - dont you fancy something different, was that your 2nd or 3rd GTI?
thanks
only been in a mk5 gti as a passenger and was impressed by the flexibility, although be it we weren't pushing on.
the 1.8T isn't what i call vicious, but hard to compare when the 225 version has a k04 turbo
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How much more costly is the R32 to generally run and maintain over the ED30 though?
TBH I don't think there is a huge difference between the two. I had a highly tuned ED30 and my overall average was 24mpg. I can't see an R32 being any lower than that to be honest :happy2:
Yes but if you had a R32 the overall average would be 16. :rolleye:
surely average normal driving won't be that low
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How much more costly is the R32 to generally run and maintain over the ED30 though?
TBH I don't think there is a huge difference between the two. I had a highly tuned ED30 and my overall average was 24mpg. I can't see an R32 being any lower than that to be honest :happy2:
Yes but if you had a R32 the overall average would be 16. :rolleye:
surely average normal driving won't be that low
Yes average normal driving would not be that low unless your name was T888om. :smiley:
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Tom, can you remember that guy in the merc ML, who came up behind us, gave us a sh*tty look and put his foot down? ML280 - BIG DADDY. he was such a knob. he got a shock when we booted it! haha!
that was just above milan where the road were completely straight, then there was a corner after 5 miles or so!
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Yeah I do :grin: :grin:
That is what I love about ED30's/ GTI's etc. People in there Beemers and Mercs think they can leave the little golf for dead. Not a chance, bye bye Mr. Sales Rep :grin: :grin:
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he thought he was the bollocks didnt he. with his greasy hair and trophy wife on the way to monaco, we really did piss on his chips!
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Ive spied a Blue R32, spoke to the dealer and can get a straight swap for my ED30, I do stuff like that when i'm bored :signLOL:,
Not sure what to do, gonna sleep on it.
Having got back from a quick blast changed my mind lol, never gonna swap!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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i would not swap mine for an r32 :signLOL: been there had that and not going back
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and ive tried believe me but i can't get it under 18mpg so far, and that's in missile mode too :evilgrin:
WTF!? I had 9 mpg out of my old ED30 in Europe last summer :grin:
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How on earth do you do that?! :rolleye:
Worst I have had is 18mpg and that was on the way to Santa Pod this year as I filled the tank and then realised the car would be too heavy... S-Mode all the way from Ipswich :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin:
Did you drive in 1st gear for a few hours or something?! :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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Ive spied a Blue R32, spoke to the dealer and can get a straight swap for my ED30, I do stuff like that when i'm bored :signLOL:,
Not sure what to do, gonna sleep on it.
Having got back from a quick blast changed my mind lol, never gonna swap!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I wouldn't change my Ed30 for an R32... I changed from a GTI to an R32 and loved the R32, but now with a tuned Ed30, I sit in my wife's R32 and think this is so slow...