MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Boothy on October 10, 2010, 07:06:10 pm
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Gave the car a good clean today and noticed a 1" paint blister on the front offside wheel arch, presumably from rust! I decided to check the other side and thats not far behind either. There are no stone chips or anything unusual that I can see :surprised:
The cars got less than 55K on the clock and is obviously well maintained and I just can't believe its started to rust. I have to admit that I am seriously starting to loose confidence in this car no. I bought a VW for numerous reasons but reliability and build quality played a big part in the decision. The legendary VW build quality seems a bit of a myth so far and has me thinking that the MK5 just isn't built with longevity in mind. Not like the models of old.
I might well be committing Hari-Kari by saying this but the Mk5 just seems to be a shocking motor for reliability. In two years of VW ownership so much has gone wrong and the rust is just the icing on the cake. I just can't help thinking after reading the various issues that members of this and other forums have had, with me included, that the MK5 Golf is built using poor quality parts with VW using there reputation to sell them at a high price.
Rant over.
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5 words pop into my head having read this: Crash damage and poor repair.
Anybody else think the same as me?
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5 words pop into my head having read this: Crash damage and poor repair.
Anybody else think the same as me?
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Ive got a small rust blister where the drivers door and passenger door meets the roof by the rubber seals. Im having mine fixed under warranty. Might be worth a shot?
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I'm with MPS, sounds like crash damage rusting.
I have had my golf since new and in 100k miles (05 car) the only non service issues have been driveshaft boot, aircon pump and DV, so I am pretty pleased, in my book 100k miles with just the above is a pretty reliable car, I have no issues with build quality, better than my previous car an M3 which cost over double! Has the car been well looked after?If yes can't see why is has been unreliable. I have had five golfs in last ten years, mk5 GT TDI, my current mkV GTI, a MkV Ed 30 (went with my ex :-( ) and two mk IV GTI TDI's all have been v v reliable and all very high build quality, maybe I have just been lucky! Market residuals say not, high residuals = high quality sought after car.
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I think RR had one of the earliest MK5 GTIs. He's done a billion miles, doesn't really look after the paintwork and yet had no issues with rust (AFAIK).
Hence, I agree with the others - poor repair job.
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sounds to me like a zinc inclusion....
Get down to your local VW bodyshop, they will measure the paint and if its standard thickness (not been repaired) then they will book you in to have it fixxed no problem at all!
Mk4 glofs are terrible for them on rear quarters and tailgates... my dad managed to get all apart from the bonnet and roof re painted on his mk4 due to finding these! They have to paint to shut lines or panel lines too... not just blow them in :happy2:
Luke
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So the mk5 had an anti corrosion warranty?
How long was that for?
Mines an 06 '55'
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12 year paint and body i think...
That will stand as long as that panel hasnt had an accident repair/ respray :smiley:
We have an ex vw body shop technician working here so getting the info from him :innocent:
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I have the exact same problem, but mine is only on the o/s/f wing. I know the history of my car as my friend owned it before me and i know for sure mines not had any previous damage/repair. So i wouldnt necessarily jump to the conclusion its had crash/repair work done.
Mine like urs has no stone chips etc in the area. I know one thing for sure though it's not going to the VW bodyshop by me they are sh1t..
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Im proably talking sh#t but i though/heard/read that the mk5 had a galv body???
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:surprised:
I had a mk4 golf for my first car and no problems with that my mums had her mk5 TDI from new and its a 54 plate and not one problem with it! No problems with my GTI either (touch wood)
I had a Mini Cooper before my Mk5 GTI and it is over 10x better in every way than the mini!
Im going with what everyone else has said and expect its a poor repair been done!
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Here's a thought.....
...have you (or maybe a previous owner) by any chance done the screw-delete mod?
If so when you (or previous owner) tucked the arch liner behind the bracket, and then bent the bracket in, did you perhaps crack the paint?
Some have suggested heating the paint with a hairdryer to stop this occurring :happy2:
Like I say, just a thought.
:smiley:
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Crash damage was my first thought but on both wheel arches, at exactly the same location? I'm not so sure. Its on the apex of both arches and it just seem to me that the chances of poor repair in two identical yet separate locations is pretty slim.
I've had a look in the arch and the liner appears to be only recessed a few millimetres from the lip of the arch?
Unfortunately for me I accidentally broke my hand in two places last night so I can't drive anywhere to get it looked at :sad1:
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sounds to me like a zinc inclusion....
Whats one of them? It sounds like a vitamin tablet. :laugh:
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They use metals like zinc which are more reactive than steel to stop the steel rusting as the zinc gets rusted in preference they do this on ships to save the hulls rather than galvanizing the whole ship, so I guess he is suggesting that in the galvanizing process that an overly large amount of zinc was bonded to those spots on the arches, which have now rusted through.... Shoot me down if thats not what you mean
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sounds to me like a zinc inclusion....
Whats one of them? It sounds like a vitamin tablet. :laugh:
I just asked JP so i will just put what he sad to me
"when the shell is being made between final welding and galvernising the shell goes through a zinc coating dip to prep the metal, this then gets washed off before going through the galvernising process, Sometimes for whatever reason small parts of the zinc can be left on the car under the galvernising.... over time this can react and start to lift the paint causing a bubble like spot on the paintwork" He said there most common on the bottoms of doors, rear quarters under the door moulding line, and tailgates, but they can be anyware on the car!
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Well, I discovered rust on my offside rear arch a few months ago.
Took it to my nearest dealer (sadly) and eventually VW confirmed it would be repaired under warranty. So I left it in then collected a couple of days later. The finish was crap- runs, thin lacquer, imperfections etc. So it was left back to them reluctantly to give them a second chance. Then when I picked the car up all appeared to be well. However when I got home I noticed the orange peel effect is quite obviously different and there are FAR less metallic flakes (diamond black) than the drivers door.
I wrote a letter to VW and they basically told me my problem is with the dealer, despite it being a VW warranty. So now I'm left with a poor finish and I'm understandably refusing to give the dealer a 3rd attempt.
In short, if there are no stone chips it should be covered, but chose your dealer wisely...
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Armed with my new found knowledge i shall speak to the dealer.....just as soon as I can drive.
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Think I got same issue on my car. Paint has flaked from around both front arches exposing bare metal. Also some bubbling which looks like rust coming through.
Took up with local VW dealer who took photos and sent off to VW. Their warranty department came back and said no claim as paintwork warranty only 3 years.
I have since took up with VW Customer Service saying Corrsion should come underanti corrosion warranty not paintwork. Got phone call yesterday to say they will be reporting back soon.
Will update when I get a response
Would certainly get along to VW dealer to report problem and get paintwork check ASAP
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Hello All,
My first post....
Just wanted to advise that I've blisters starting on both from wheelarches, the car is 55 plate and hasn't been painted.
It's starting to look like there are a few of us out there with the same issue.
I've spoken to Leeds VW who advised me that it was a paintwork issue and thus out of the (3 yr) paintwork defect warranty.
Like the other posters who are in this situation I'm surprised and disappointed at finding blistering paint on a car less than 5 years old, particularly from a brand that markets itself upon its durability!!!
Has anyone had any success at having their car repaired in this situation? and if so how did they go about gettingthe repairs authorised?
Thanks & Best regards,
Rusty
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Hello All,
My first post....
Just wanted to advise that I've blisters starting on both from wheelarches, the car is 55 plate and hasn't been painted.
It's starting to look like there are a few of us out there with the same issue.
I've spoken to Leeds VW who advised me that it was a paintwork issue and thus out of the (3 yr) paintwork defect warranty.
Like the other posters who are in this situation I'm surprised and disappointed at finding blistering paint on a car less than 5 years old, particularly from a brand that markets itself upon its durability!!!
Has anyone had any success at having their car repaired in this situation? and if so how did they go about gettingthe repairs authorised?
Thanks & Best regards,
Rusty
As the post above yours, the point here is that its not a paint defect, its a corossion issue which is dealt with under a different time-frame and warranty. And if dealer wont help try another or go to customer services.
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Got a reply from VW Customer Service. They say Warranty Department word is final on these matters!
However have offered, as a goodwill gesture, to meet 50% of the cost of repair and repainting both front wings.
Not yet got back in touch with main dealer about the cost
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Hmm, well if this is an issue affecting a few of you and VW are wiping their hands, why not collectiveky get together for a drive protest to their HQ. I'm sure Auto Express and other mototing journals would love to join you with a camera for a worthwhile story. I'm sure collectively you would get somewhere.
Look what happened to Toyota when they swept issues under the carpet!
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Hmm, well if this is an issue affecting a few of you and VW are wiping their hands, why not collectiveky get together for a drive protest to their HQ. I'm sure Auto Express and other mototing journals would love to join you with a camera for a worthwhile story. I'm sure collectively you would get somewhere.
Look what happened to Toyota when they swept issues under the carpet!
Top idea! I'm not sure we'd have enough to make it worth while though. Where is there HQ out of interest?
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You should all contact BBC Watchdog, they love those type of stories where the car manufacturers don't want to pay out under warranty. Surprisingly they soon change their minds when Ann gives them a ring!!
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Hmm, well if this is an issue affecting a few of you and VW are wiping their hands, why not collectiveky get together for a drive protest to their HQ. I'm sure Auto Express and other mototing journals would love to join you with a camera for a worthwhile story. I'm sure collectively you would get somewhere.
Look what happened to Toyota when they swept issues under the carpet!
Top idea! I'm not sure we'd have enough to make it worth while though. Where is there HQ out of interest?
Milton Keynes for Volkswagen UK.
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sounds to me like a zinc inclusion....
Whats one of them? It sounds like a vitamin tablet. :laugh:
I just asked JP so i will just put what he sad to me
"when the shell is being made between final welding and galvernising the shell goes through a zinc coating dip to prep the metal, this then gets washed off before going through the galvernising process, Sometimes for whatever reason small parts of the zinc can be left on the car under the galvernising.... over time this can react and start to lift the paint causing a bubble like spot on the paintwork" He said there most common on the bottoms of doors, rear quarters under the door moulding line, and tailgates, but they can be anyware on the car!
I work in a bodyshop in a car plant, and as far as I know the sheet steel which is pressed out to make the panels and structures of the car, is already treated with a zinc (or aluminium alloy ) coating. There would be no reason to pre-dip a car in zinc coating, and then going and removing it!
When metal is galvanised it is done so in a zinc bath , and is normally known as hot-dip galvanising.
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Isn't the ex Skoda boss the boss of VW now?
If so, his e-mail is chris.craft@volkswagen.co.uk
In the past i have heard you get very good results from e-mailing the head honcho direct and usually his PA gets things moving very quickly
AS long as he has not moved on in the last few months he would be the man to contact
J
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Isn't the ex Skoda boss the boss of VW now?
If so, his e-mail is chris.craft@volkswagen.co.uk
In the past i have heard you get very good results from e-mailing the head honcho direct and usually his PA gets things moving very quickly
AS long as he has not moved on in the last few months he would be the man to contact
J
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